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sullat posted:Did Latin have the same chicken = cock = penis thing going on, or is that an Englishism? I doubt it; our English words for chickens / hens / roosters are all apparently derived from the Germanic / Old English language families, not Latin. 'Cock' to refer to male chickens is apparently only an English and French thing without a clear link to existing words - other than the fact that roosters go 'cock-a-doodle do.' I'm not a linguist, so if someone knows better please correct me, but this article seems credible Talky fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Romans had a number of words for dick, but cock is not a calque for any of them to my knowledge
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Further proof of time travel.
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sullat posted:Did Latin have the same chicken = cock = penis thing going on, or is that an Englishism? There's this book. It is a scholarly reference and expects you to know classical Greek and to be familiar with classical authors, but is in English and doesn't just translate naughty words into some other language. I don't recall any animal metaphors for penis, but if you're interested enough, your library system may have a copy.
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Oh woe is me, my enormous priapic penis would be considered unfashionable by the Romans were I to time travel back to that period, who preferred small penises.
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Yes! Finally everything's coming up Milhouse!
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Phobophilia posted:Oh woe is me, my enormous priapic penis would be considered unfashionable by the Romans were I to time travel back to that period, who preferred small penises. You could have gotten steady work pretending to be a satyr.
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Jack2142 posted:Thats what I gathered too, the arrival of what sounds to be essentially the black death is the thing that ruins everything, especially since in the podcast it gets noted it wasn't one massive wave that killed everyone... it kept poping up every 20-30 years for a century or more killing huge swathes of the population. The Empire seems to recover in the late 800's partially just because the plagues stop ravaging everything. See Wu Zetian for another example of a cool, but amoral Empress. I'd argue that blinding/mutilating a political loser, then sending them to a distant wealthy monastery is still better than "suggesting" they commit suicide.
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Jack2142 posted:Also Irene blinding her own son... that poo poo is hosed up as far as I can see that seems to be the first time one of the rulers actually off'ed their own kid. You get plenty of brother on brother murder, but not so much in that department. Oh boy. Once he's finished with the current run of summary episodes, we should come up on Basil II, the Bulgar Slayer. Then you'll see some blinding. 
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golden bubble posted:See Wu Zetian for another example of a cool, but amoral Empress. I'd argue that blinding/mutilating a political loser, then sending them to a distant wealthy monastery is still better than "suggesting" they commit suicide. The impression I got about Wu Zetian is that if she hadn't been this ruthless, she wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the throne. Keep in mind that she arrived in the palace during the reign of a man who killed his two brothers and pushed his father off the throne.
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I still have nightmares of what the first Han emperor's widow did to his favourite concubine. Don't look it up, it's disturbing and sad.
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hopefully the history is wrong It's hard to believe someone survived that with ancient medicine.
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the histories had an agenda to demonize empress Lü Zhi. Speaking of, I first found out about her in the excellent but overlooked Lu Chuan film The Last Supper/Wang de Shengyan where she's sort of a tragic villain being treated as trash by her husband until she becomes bitter. But among the themes of that film is how history can be falsified to support a someome's narrative. I think a lot of the reason it was so overlooked, apart from being kind of artsy, is how uncomfortable close it felt to present day conditions in China.
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China's history of authoritarian past manipulation goes back quite a ways. Every dynasty wrote the official version of its predecessor's history and you can be sure they made the new bosses look good. And of course only like half of the actual Chinese states are even in the "official" history and series of dynasties.
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Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history?
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Tons? King Charles II of England comes to mind.
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Groda posted:Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history? If you win you're not really a pretender anymore are you?
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Ithle01 posted:If you win you're not really a pretender anymore are you? And furthermore you never were.
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What if you don't take the title of king when you win and instead just call yourself lord protector?
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fishmech posted:DC's current location was an empty swamp before chosen to be capital of the country with a new city. The fall line of the Potomac was not a particularly useful location before that. It's wasn't empty. Georgetown and Alexandria were already there.
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Groda posted:Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history? There was this thing that went down in 1066 but you might not have heard of it.
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Groda posted:Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history? Henry Tudor, Edward IV, for a start.
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Groda posted:Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history? Julius Caesar?
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Julius Caesar? No. Though arguably Marcus Antonius was after his death and the second triumvirate collapsed .
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euphronius posted:It's wasn't empty. Georgetown and Alexandria were already there. Before DC was built, Alexandria only had about 2500 people and Georgetown was around 1500. By 1800 with DC barely built at all outside of the existing communities incorporated into the district, it'd already grown to 8100 people and was up to 15,700 people by 1810.
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Julius Caesar? euphronius posted:No. The concept of a pretender doesn't really apply, there wasn't a throne for these guys to pretend to. Once you get down to Vespasian, that's a successful pretender.
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fishmech posted:Before DC was built, Alexandria only had about 2500 people and Georgetown was around 1500. I'm glad we agree . THe area of the mall and capitol was certainly and still is an uninhabitable swamp.
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I just happened to have posted earlier today about the transformation of DC's terrain over the course of the 19th century. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3531615&perpage=40&pagenumber=1082#post475431996 The previous tenants, the Nacotchtank, had the good sense to live along the much healthier banks of the Anacostia River on the east side of the city where they had forts and a trading center. After disease devastated them, they moved to what is now called Roosevelt Island (labeled Mason's island here, owned by George's family), and Europeans moved in to farm the area. It was inhabited but rural at the founding the city, but what is downtown was pretty loving empty. 
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glynnenstein posted:I just happened to have posted earlier today about the transformation of DC's terrain over the course of the 19th century. This is really cool, you should all go look at this, and post more things like this because I find it fascinating.
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Groda posted:Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history? Literally every single ruler since Avitus Aaugustu, from Petronius Maximux to Elizabeth the second. 
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Arglebargle III posted:what is modernity? Bidets.
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sebzilla posted:There was this thing that went down in 1066 but you might not have heard of it. dude we all know about stamford bridge
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Arglebargle III posted:what is modernity? Everything since Ur imho
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Groda posted:Are there any examples of pretenders to the throne successfully seizing and holding power in European history? Like people have said, this happens a whole lot, depending on your definition of what a 'pretender' to the throne is. One of the results of diplomatic marriages is that over time, nearly every important house/noble can claim some amount of royal blood or connection, often for faraway countries they have never been to. Henry VII (of Tudor fame), as mentioned, had a claim via his mother being the great grand-daughter of the fourth son of Edward III, and was an illegitimate descent as well. But when you win a civil war and come out on top, that's all you need. 'Successful' is another difficult word that needs some level of qualification. Does Cromwell count? Obviously, he's not holding a throne, but he does become Lord Protector and the system survives until his death by natural causes. Even if it falls apart and the Restoration occurs basically immediately, does that count as successfully?
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Arglebargle III posted:what is modernity? folly
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sebzilla posted:folly
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Arglebargle III posted:what is modernity? Firing handguns out of windows, and sueing each other over harsh words uttered at a game of dice
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Arglebargle III posted:what is modernity? A boring era for the male wardrobe
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golden bubble posted:See Wu Zetian for another example of a cool, but amoral Empress. I'd argue that blinding/mutilating a political loser, then sending them to a distant wealthy monastery is still better than "suggesting" they commit suicide. Or a lot of Chinese empresses, really. In hindsight, "the dowager empress is often regent" and "the dowager empress gets to pick the next child emperor in the event of the current one's tragic death" were design flaws.
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