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W.T. Fits posted:If you were going to do a Warring Triad Ultimate, you could probably include a fight with Regula in there at some point. You infinitely time loop until you save Regula’s life obviously. Hogama posted:Four Lords actually has the most resources ready for an Ultimate built on a trial story, since you have two dungeons and a solo duty alongside the usual three fights, PLUS there is, of course, Kohryu that we never actually fight. Weapons also has a the Diamond Weapon’s intended Zenos transformation that Valens had to give up on. Regula becoming a Kefka figure would be interesting, given his relationship/connection with Varis. Honestly sounds better to me than the Kefka thing at this point. Maybe tie Varis Anima into it somehow? Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 5, 2022 |
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If there is a bunch of Garlean stuff I really just want to see it be Garlean Ultimate. There is at least one mechanic involving tricking someone into shooting themselves in the head.
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May 5, 2022 04:48
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Allarion posted:A part of me kinda wants to see Hildibrand show up in Elpis now. Though more likely it'll just be Sharlyan for him. Hildy pulling an unassuming Ancient into one of his ridiculous mysteries does have its appeal though. Further Adventures of Hildetheon.
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ImpAtom posted:If there is a bunch of Garlean stuff I really just want to see it be Garlean Ultimate. I remember Final Fantasy XII had a Trial where you fight all of the Judge Magisters at once and they fight like a Full Party. That could be a neat concept for a Garlean Ultimate.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I remember Final Fantasy XII had a Trial where you fight all of the Judge Magisters at once and they fight like a Full Party. That could be a neat concept for a Garlean Ultimate. Hold on, let's see... we'll take Zenos and Varis out so they can be kept for their own thing. Gaius Rhytatyn Livia Nero Regula Grynewaht Lyon Menenius And that's just relatively-uniformed prominent officers that we've actually fought, you've got a few flex spots like Aulus, Misija, and a few other members of the IVth Legion depending on the team comp you'd want. You probably can't get a full eight that actually looks like a full party, but it's viable. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 05:45 on May 5, 2022 |
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May 5, 2022 05:42
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was talking with a friend right now and he made me realize the complete waste of potential Dragonsong Reprise Ultimate had by not having King Thordan and his Heavenswards duking it out with King Mog and his Moggleguard with their own Moggle version of Ultimate End. worst. ultimate.
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May 5, 2022 05:48
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lezard_valeth posted:was talking with a friend right now and he made me realize the complete waste of potential Dragonsong Reprise Ultimate had by not having King Thordan and his Heavenswards duking it out with King Mog and his Moggleguard with their own Moggle version of Ultimate End. They’re saving that for the ultimate Moogle tome event obviously.
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May 5, 2022 05:55
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The 6.1 page has him in Lakeland.
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If you think about it Endwalker is just Welcome to the Black Parade: The Expansion
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May 5, 2022 08:08
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On one hand Hermes trying to make the evaluation of the Ancients fair is basically him making sure they get their fair showing rather than anything lopsided. It's what he's been taught to do after all. Funnily enough they did not drill into him the importance of peer review. Or how unethical it is to evaluate sapient beings the way he did. Haha, whoops.
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May 5, 2022 08:19
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Argas posted:On one hand Hermes trying to make the evaluation of the Ancients fair is basically him making sure they get their fair showing rather than anything lopsided. It's what he's been taught to do after all. He spends most of Elpis trying to dodge a peer review so I wanna say that ones on him and not their society at large
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May 5, 2022 08:22
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No Dignity posted:He spends most of Elpis trying to dodge a peer review so I wanna say that ones on him and not their society at large This is why you do surprise inspections on your boss.
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No Dignity posted:He spends most of Elpis trying to dodge a peer review so I wanna say that ones on him and not their society at large I feel like the fact everyone in Elpis is cool with Meletos is evidence that there's some organizational eyebrows to raise.
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May 5, 2022 08:28
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No Dignity posted:He spends most of Elpis trying to dodge a peer review so I wanna say that ones on him and not their society at large My understanding of academia is that trying to dodge a peer review is common practice
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May 5, 2022 08:47
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The problem with Meiteon wasn't that he made her, it's that he made a bunch of her and sent them out into the wilderness before someone else could check in. Which is similar, but distinct, to peer review, I suppose.
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May 5, 2022 08:59
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I think the actual best idea for a Warring Triad Ultimate is to follow up on Unukalhai's warnings that led us into the Triad in the first place: have Bismark and Ravana appear and absorb the Triad's power, maybe have some sort of three-way showdown between the party and the two of them supercharged by the Triad.
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May 5, 2022 09:17
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Cleretic posted:I feel like the fact everyone in Elpis is cool with Meletos is evidence that there's some organizational eyebrows to raise. IIRC everyone thought Meteion was a one of a kind creation on its testing phases and the pet project from their boss so no one objected since they thoguht he was gonna submit her eventually. Hermes did kind of hide the fact he made multiple Meteions and sent them already because he didn't want to risk Meteion getting rejected and deleted.
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DanielCross posted:I think the actual best idea for a Warring Triad Ultimate is to follow up on Unukalhai's warnings that led us into the Triad in the first place: have Bismark and Ravana appear and absorb the Triad's power, maybe have some sort of three-way showdown between the party and the two of them supercharged by the Triad. Beetleborg riding a whale, both charged up and farting fire.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:IIRC everyone thought Meteion was a one of a kind creation on its testing phases and the pet project from their boss so no one objected since they thoguht he was gonna submit her eventually. Not Meteion, Meletos. The guy with the FATE chain that's all about getting us to indiscriminately murder animals For Reasons.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:IIRC everyone thought Meteion was a one of a kind creation on its testing phases and the pet project from their boss so no one objected since they thoguht he was gonna submit her eventually. Meletos is the dude in the FATEs who keeps making horrifying flesh monsters on accident for you to face instead of a cyclops
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DanielCross posted:I think the actual best idea for a Warring Triad Ultimate is to follow up on Unukalhai's warnings that led us into the Triad in the first place: have Bismark and Ravana appear and absorb the Triad's power, maybe have some sort of three-way showdown between the party and the two of them supercharged by the Triad. Just do all 5, enjoy the 5 way primal war in which you're killing each of them.
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No Dignity posted:He spends most of Elpis trying to dodge a peer review so I wanna say that ones on him and not their society at large Not entirely surprising since he considers his own issues to be pretty foreign to the rest of the Ancients. Pretty normal for depression issues, honestly. Honestly, for me, it's the moments with Kairos that cemented him as a villain. Most of his actions before then can be explained as simply not knowing the consequences very well; even with knowledge of the Final Days when he took Meteion away, he probably didn't actually know Meteion would become the Endsinger until she started glowing black. Actually asking those questions to the stars might have been foolish, but it's hard to imagine he thought them actively harmful to other people. AncientSpark fucked around with this message at 14:34 on May 5, 2022 |
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Since the Wandering Minstrel is full on fanfic now he should just do what every good fanfic author does and compare the power levels of all the good guys, giving us Scions of the Seventh Dawn Ultimate.
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AncientSpark posted:Not entirely surprising since he considers his own issues to be pretty foreign to the rest of the Ancients. Pretty normal for depression issues, honestly. yea pre-Kairos he was just a dude with depression who was self-isolating, he doesn't become a 'villain' until his bird daughter starts going goth and explaining how life is suffering and thus she'll bring the mercy of death to the stars and he goes 'oh? Go ooooon...' instead of 'aw beans my bird daughter broke, this sucks guys let's scrap her and try again'. There's nothing wrong with asking questions like 'what brings you purpose' and all, and his isolation was mainly depression and all, but it was when he actively chose to go along with 'yea maybe you should just end worlds' that he hosed up.
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Countblanc posted:Since the Wandering Minstrel is full on fanfic now he should just do what every good fanfic author does and compare the power levels of all the good guys, giving us Scions of the Seventh Dawn Ultimate. oh hell yes
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Countblanc posted:Since the Wandering Minstrel is full on fanfic now he should just do what every good fanfic author does and compare the power levels of all the good guys, giving us Scions of the Seventh Dawn Ultimate. Okay, nevermind, this is my favorite idea for an Ultimate. What's the puzzle for completion, though? Naturally it has to be relating to some small character detail. Do we somehow get to the finale by correctly articulating Thancred's relationship with Minfilia? Ooh, or maybe by the fact part of it is set far enough back that we're fighting actual Yda instead of Lyse, and there's a mechanic based on that difference?
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Urianger actually tells you the entire fight mechanics from start to finish at the beginning but it's 1.0 Urianger where his affectation was way more insufferable and heavy and you've gotta remember it all
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Cleretic posted:Okay, nevermind, this is my favorite idea for an Ultimate. You have to upset each of the Scions individually without giving the others a reason to stop being upset. Beware the glamour mini-game where Ameliance wants help dressing the twins.
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sexpig by night posted:Urianger actually tells you the entire fight mechanics from start to finish at the beginning but it's 1.0 Urianger where his affectation was way more insufferable and heavy and you've gotta remember it all so ucob nael pre-5.0
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Lord_Magmar posted:You have to upset each of the Scions individually without giving the others a reason to stop being upset. I was trying my damndest with everyone I could with the 6.1 dialogue choices. Bullying them is so much fun.
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Each Scion is a pairing and when you kill one half of the pair, the other enrages so you have to defeat both of them simultaneously
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sexpig by night posted:yea pre-Kairos he was just a dude with depression who was self-isolating, he doesn't become a 'villain' until his bird daughter starts going goth and explaining how life is suffering and thus she'll bring the mercy of death to the stars and he goes 'oh? Go ooooon...' instead of 'aw beans my bird daughter broke, this sucks guys let's scrap her and try again'. There's nothing wrong with asking questions like 'what brings you purpose' and all, and his isolation was mainly depression and all, but it was when he actively chose to go along with 'yea maybe you should just end worlds' that he hosed up. "this sucks let's scrap her" is the very legitimate problem he has with how Elpis is set up. His motivation isn't to eradicate all life (at that point, later yes), but he thinks his people need an extreme challenge to upset their currently bad status quo w/r/t to death. It's why he stays behind and subjects himself to Kairos as well. Like Meteion throws their "it is beautiful, always" poo poo back in their faces before she bounces.
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you defeat y'shtola ultimate by figuring out how many candles to actually put on her birthday cake
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TGLT posted:you defeat y'shtola ultimate by figuring out how many candles to actually put on her birthday cake 23 or she enrages and wipes the party
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I legit would love a total joke Ultimate that's still difficult and wipe-heavy, but based on some absolutely dumb scenario like the Scions getting wasted at the post-Shadowbringers party in the Crystarium and needing to forcefully wrangle them to bed while they fight back tooth and nail.
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All 8 party members get put in RP duty bodies as different Scions (with their very limited powers) to fight the Warrior Lightwarden
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TGLT posted:you defeat y'shtola ultimate by figuring out how many candles to actually put on her birthday cake One big one.
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Qwertycoatl posted:23 or she enrages and wipes the party alt, 32 and she immediately dies of shame FuturePastNow posted:All 8 party members get put in RP duty bodies as different Scions (with their very limited powers) to fight the Warrior Lightwarden This but the drunk thing. The warrior of light would be passed out/fishing and we'd be fighting Krile
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I feel like it is important to note that it wasn't just random animals in Elpis. In the dungeon leading up to Hermes you see documentation of how they created intelligent tool using people and their primary thought is "but they can't speak our language so we'll just adjust that in the next revision." This is what evolved into the Ascian 'the sundered are okay to murder because they are flawed and imperfect' attitude. Hermes, wrong as he was, was trying to subject his people to the exact same treatment they give other species. But key to his personality and what makes him tragic is that he *didn't* think that deserves destruction. He thinks flawed species deserve to live. That is why Fandaniel isn't Hermes. Fandaniel is full on 'everything needs to end' while Hermes was 'even the flawed should survive'.
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TGLT posted:"this sucks let's scrap her" is the very legitimate problem he has with how Elpis is set up. His motivation isn't to eradicate all life (at that point, later yes), but he thinks his people need an extreme challenge to upset their currently bad status quo w/r/t to death. It's why he stays behind and subjects himself to Kairos as well. Like Meteion throws their "it is beautiful, always" poo poo back in their faces before she bounces. Sure but like that's what you gotta do sometimes. That's Hermes' whole problem. As I have said before he wants the joy of teaching the sanuwa to fly and the company of Meteion and all the other soft wholesome moments of being a creator - he's clearly done it a lot, he has no moral problems with creation magic itself - and not the unwholesome duties that sometimes come with it. You saw it with the lykaones. All evidence, despite repeated testing, showed that they would not work out, would kill everything in their path and then starve themselves. He still has an existential panic attack and urges the dying creature to hate and curse the Ancients, because "we deserve it." Hermes wants a bloody reckoning for society at large in his darkest moments even then. Meteion suffering for eons alone in the dark to carry out his nihilistic vengeance upon Ancient society is not kinder to her, it's not doing his duty to her. Particularly since the Ancients can literally reconstruct their soulless creations with the same aether (the same fundamental essence given that they believe they themselves are just the lifeblood of the world) and same core conceptual self. He's shirking from an unpleasant duty because of how it makes him, personally, feel like a murderer. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 17:35 on May 5, 2022 |
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