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Just different stylistic preferences, on something that is inherently old fashioned and requiring suspension of disbelief in 2021 anyway. You like dubs to have a bit of a thick accent thrown on, ok. And some prefer say the anime dub approach (not going for the accent), which has also suited video games over the years. I don't get why more than one preference on something as niche as this is boiled down to people looking at somebody like they're a maniac.
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Spermando posted:Did they make zero grammar mistakes over the course of several hours and use lots of idioms? A lot of the Indian students would!
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Sep 15, 2021 08:51
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quote:Have you seriously never met someone with an accent who speaks perfectly fine English? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBvUujMcwfo
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Sep 15, 2021 08:53
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is your point of contention that people in media don’t sound like how people talk in real life?
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Sep 15, 2021 08:59
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I say give me the dulcet tones of Japanese language (a la Gackt), or give me the cast of Cowboy Bebop's dub once again.
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Sep 15, 2021 09:01
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MechaSeinfeld posted:is your point of contention that people in media don’t sound like how people talk in real life? lmao
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Sep 15, 2021 09:03
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I guess they should have hired Nathan Fielder to play Jin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKUneur1RDE&t=76s
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Sep 15, 2021 09:07
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veni veni veni posted:I guess they should have hired Nathan Fielder to play Jin. lmao
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Sep 15, 2021 09:09
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Saw 23 new posts in the ps4 thread and i was not disappointed
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Sep 15, 2021 09:14
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MechaSeinfeld posted:is your point of contention that people in media don’t sound like how people talk in real life? No, the point was that what GOT did isn't more natural than an anime dub or whatever.
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Sep 15, 2021 09:18
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I actually HATED in God of War how Atreus, the son of Greek and Norse gods, sounded like some kid from California. Give him SOME accent like.
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Sep 15, 2021 09:23
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Every game should pick an accent and go all in on it. Make everyone in Wolverine have a heavy Italian-American accent so thick you could cut it with a pizza slicer. People need to go all in on it like Xenoblade Chronicles did.
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Sep 15, 2021 09:26
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veni veni veni posted:I guess they should have hired Nathan Fielder to play Jin. hahahaha
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Sep 15, 2021 09:27
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veni veni veni posted:If a game is associated with a real country like GOT, or say... Metro, it would be really off putting if the english dub just had everyone speaking with an American accent. Also Americans aren't the only ones playing with English dubs. Or do they make a separate track for every country that speaks english?
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Sep 15, 2021 09:28
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veni veni veni posted:I guess they should have hired Nathan Fielder to play Jin. Holy poo poo lol
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Sep 15, 2021 09:28
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I'm not sure where I stand in this conversation lemme quickly confer with the translators and linguists i talk to very often
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Sep 15, 2021 09:30
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I didn't like playing Dragon Quest 11 but i could listen to the voice acting all day More games with strong regional accents, particularly geordie and norwiegan plz
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Sep 15, 2021 09:35
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Imagine if British English became the dominant language of film and we had to listen to all the italian-american gangsters speak in Manc accents instead.
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Sep 15, 2021 09:42
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I didn't like playing Dragon Quest 11 but i could listen to the voice acting all day Ni no Kuni 2 has the little mascot character speaking in a welsh accent and it's an absolute joy but unfortunately 9 out of 10 of the translators and linguists i speak to very often say this is wrong and they should sound AMERICAN cuz they're speaking ENGLISH
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Sep 15, 2021 09:44
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JollyBoyJohn posted:I didn't like playing Dragon Quest 11 but i could listen to the voice acting all day I love it when you go to not-Bali and all the tourists have lovely Australian accents and are named like, Bruce Perfection
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Sep 15, 2021 09:47
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fridge corn posted:I'm not sure where I stand in this conversation lemme quickly confer with the translators and linguists i talk to very often My stepmom worked with many translators and in the language training center at the UN and she she says alot of what they do came be summed up as "well, we tried our best"
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Sep 15, 2021 09:56
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That perfectly sums up simultaneous interpreting. Sometimes it's better to make up stuff so that the audience don't notice something's wrong.
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Sep 15, 2021 10:10
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Yeah I should have mentioned it is for things like that, not for official documents and such, those need legalese poo poo in them.
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Sep 15, 2021 10:11
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I like it when they speak English with an accent, if the accent is how that character would speak English. It’s a little more grounding? E.g. if they’re supposed to be from Norway, speak English with a Norwegian accent. AS LONG as the actor actually has that accent. No Americans putting on a faux accent. On the other hand, the ‘analogous’ accents they did on Chernobyl worked too.
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Sep 15, 2021 10:12
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I was watching Rush Hour the other day and I was really annoyed that Jackie Chan's character spoke with an accent. He's speaking English for christsakes they should have dubbed him to sound more american
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Sep 15, 2021 10:18
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veni veni veni posted:I guess they should have hired Nathan Fielder to play Jin. lmfao
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Sep 15, 2021 10:28
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fridge corn posted:I was watching Rush Hour the other day and I was really annoyed that Jackie Chan's character spoke with an accent. He's speaking English for christsakes they should have dubbed him to sound more american Reminds me of the time they dubbed Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice with a non-accented voice. https://youtu.be/6p3nmyTICo0
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Sep 15, 2021 10:41
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Dewgy posted:Normal’s fine to start, Tsushima isn’t really focused heavily on its challenge and there’s a pretty broad set of skills and abilities to pick up and get used to. If you start playing the multiplayer stuff, especially the survival, you'll get to the point where Normal is way too easy in the singleplayer. I never tried Lethal but I don't think the multiplayer ever gets to that point. This languages argument is... a bit daft? I don't know why getting someone to speak in a Japanese accent to represent someone as Japanese, but have them speak English for an English-speaking audience, would be unreasonable. That's how real people work in the real world, it's not a thing Hollywood made up for our entertainment. I thought the usual complaint was about media whitewashing people's voices to make everything as flatly American as possible. Like if you had an agent go to Japan to meet an important Japanese contact, and that person was Michael Caine, it'd be a bit weird. veni veni veni posted:Have you seriously never met someone with an accent who speaks perfectly fine English? I feel like that is something most people experience on a daily basis. Meanwhile, someone who has English as a second language will apologise about mistakes that are something so insignificant that I've understood what they meant immediately. It does help that I've got nearly thirty years of interpreting what actual English people think is English. It's basically Ork-speak from Warhammer.
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Sep 15, 2021 11:05
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itz abit sad innit mate
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Sep 15, 2021 11:08
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TheDarkFlame posted:If you start playing the multiplayer stuff, especially the survival, you'll get to the point where Normal is way too easy in the singleplayer. I never tried Lethal but I don't think the multiplayer ever gets to that point. Nah then, nowt wrong wid queens english. Ya sound bort n pad for by eye are hey
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Sep 15, 2021 11:16
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TheDarkFlame posted:It's basically Ork-speak from Warhammer. hahahaha
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Sep 15, 2021 11:19
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TheDarkFlame posted:This languages argument is... a bit daft? I don't know why getting someone to speak in a Japanese accent to represent someone as Japanese, but have them speak English for an English-speaking audience, would be unreasonable. That's how real people work in the real world It's not how it's done anywhere else in the world (change the game language to German, Spanish or Italian to see what I mean or look for foreign dubs of The Simpsons or Seinfeld, for example), and what they did in English is _not_ how that works in the real world. When you talk to your friends, you aren't thinking "my friend has a foreign accent". If the aim of a dub is to make the same auditory impression on a foreign audience, adding an accent is a layer of abstraction that wasn't present in the original. Source: I work in localization and that's what the literature says on the topic.
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Sep 15, 2021 11:27
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In my experience, ESL people are the only ones capable of speaking english any way close to "perfect" because they learn it from books which are free of society-based linguistic presumptions
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Sep 15, 2021 11:28
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Spermando posted:adding an accent is a layer of abstraction that wasn't present in the original. Got ya. How does it work in stuff where you have different local accents in the source material?
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Sep 15, 2021 11:30
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Got ya. How does it work in stuff where you have different local accents in the source material? In general, accents are only added in dubs when they're part of the story. For example, when a character being foreign is a relevant bit of information that other characters acknowledge or something that causes friction to them. If someone makes fun of someone else in an American show because they have a Boston accent, the translators usually try to make up something else to make fun of because people abroad won't have any idea what a Boston accent is or why it might sound funny. In the English dub of GOT everyone has the same generic Japanese accent and they don't expect you to know what a Kansai accent is or why it's funny. Spermando fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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Sep 15, 2021 11:32
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This argument doesn’t even work because Japanese people have a wide variety of accents anyway across their ecosystem. A man raised on Tsushima island is going to have a different accent than a man raised in Tokyo, or a woman from Hiroshima. The idea that everyone in an American dub should have flat American accents regardless of where they are from or what part of Japan they represent means you’d lose any of that in exchange for… hearing a more “familiar” version of the dialogue? Or are you suggesting that we should have wild New England accents for Japanese people from Sendai and crass Southern accents for the people from Fukuoka and nice “normal” mid-Atlantic accents for the central mainland folks? For the record, I’m 33, I watch an absolute ton of foreign films and TV shows (not just anime) and I’ve literally never once heard anyone make this argument in my entire life. Like, I’m trying to imagine an Irishman watching The Departed and switching from the Boston dub to the Irish dub, and going “oh now that’s better, you can really hear what their saying now!”
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Sep 15, 2021 13:15
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Spermando posted:It's not how it's done anywhere else in the world (change the game language to German, Spanish or Italian to see what I mean or look for foreign dubs of The Simpsons or Seinfeld, for example), and what they did in English is _not_ how that works in the real world. When you talk to your friends, you aren't thinking "my friend has a foreign accent". If the aim of a dub is to make the same auditory impression on a foreign audience, adding an accent is a layer of abstraction that wasn't present in the original. Source: I work in localization and that's what the literature says on the topic. The main cast of the Simpsons and Seinfeld are white americans so I'm not sure how that helps to illustrate your point?
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Sep 15, 2021 13:34
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This is the most "who cares" poo poo in the world
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Sep 15, 2021 13:35
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Lol imagine the reception this game would have if they put all this love and care into crafting this beautiful world and then the Japanese main character sounded like Doug.
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Sep 15, 2021 13:39
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what if sushi ghost had weapon durability
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