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cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Renegret posted:

Wait I don't understand, why are the trainees being paid to go? Where can I get paid to learn technical skills?



Normally I'd just assume your current job is paying for the bootcamp but it doesn't sound like that's what happening here. Plus bouncing on the training at that point sounds like a fantastic way to get fired.

It might be a local state unemployment skills training initiative.

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lizardman
Jun 30, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Renegret posted:

Wait I don't understand, why are the trainees being paid to go? Where can I get paid to learn technical skills?

Seriously. I'm the one feeling like I'm BWM now since I paid to attend bootcamp despite it eventually leading to a pretty substantial payrise. Now I'm reading not only could I have done it for free, I could have gotten paid for it? gently caress my life.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
I know plenty of people in Philadelphia area who would kill to attend that sort of paid training. Where can I get more information?

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

I know several people who have been through relatively well-regarded coding bootcamps, both as friends and a few that my company hired.

My hot take is that you get out of them what you put in. The handful of people I know who have been successful post-bootcamp all busted loving rear end and were hustling to high hell. They were all highly motivated and reasonably technical people to begin with, had some basic programming experience but just didn't have the demonstrable skills or network to have an "in" to professional development, or even software QA. Those guys would have eventually gotten into dev jobs after more self-study and lots of interviewing, but instead they bought a fast track ticket and it has worked out well for them.

I also know a couple of people who went through bootcamps that were less technically savvy to begin with, did not work their rear end off, and did not hustle and network. Months later they are still looking for full-time gigs. They treated it like a lot of people treat university: just show up and expect a job at the end. It just doesn't work that way.

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

Guinness posted:


I also know a couple of people who went through bootcamps that were less technically savvy to begin with, did not work their rear end off, and did not hustle and network. Months later they are still looking for full-time gigs. They treated it like a lot of people treat university: just show up and expect a job at the end. It just doesn't work that way.

I have a friend in this situation right now. He paid something like $6k for a 10 week java bootcamp, but didn't do anything extra and expected a free job at the end of it. He also has absolutely no social skills, so he bombed every interview he's done.

remigious
May 13, 2009

Destruction comes inevitably :rip:

Hell Gem

Pryor on Fire posted:

I've helped with those types bootcamps several times, just getting people who can show up every day for a few weeks is the hardest part. It's amazing, we offer to pay people $20 an hour to teach them super hip technical and biz dev skills which would then lead to a full time salary that is way higher than that after a few weeks, and even then like 1/3 of people would rather fake their own death then show up for eight hours stay relatively sober for that time.

We had people who got paid for this training for the first time on a Friday (like 20x40=$800) and would disappear over lunch once they got that check and we'd never see them again. One guy apparently drove straight to the casinos and went on a bender, someone saw him there in the same clothes he was wearing on Friday the following week.

People are flakey as hell, working as a hiring manager and helping out with those sorts of camps really makes you lose faith in humanity. I'm not sure how people do HR for decades.

I don't really have a point, I guess managing to stretch $800 out across 4+ days at a casino is pretty GWM. Maybe it's just a Colorado thing, there seem to be way more drunks and addicts per capita around here than other places I've lived.

Where do you work? My husband is smart, driven, and out of work on Colorado.

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

Not as good as most other horse chat, but a friend of mine is looking for apartments around South Austin, and found this Craigslist post in a nearby town of someone else needing lodging during her search

SpelledBackwards fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jul 5, 2016

balancedbias
May 2, 2009
$$$$$$$$$

SpelledBackwards posted:

Not as good as most other horse chat, but a friend of mine is looking for apartments around South Austin, and found this Craigslist post in a nearby town of someone else needing lodging during her search


I'm combining all of this information in my mind and I think this person is a character from some sort of anime my college suitemate watched a few times.

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

SpelledBackwards posted:

Not as good as most other horse chat, but a friend of mine is looking for apartments around South Austin, and found this Craigslist post in a nearby town of someone else needing lodging during her search


I guess all people can say is no.

Or see him for his inner beauty as they take care of his horse while he's gone at stuff all the time.

Wouldn't 500 barely cover boarding the horse?

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


That would barely cover the cost of butchering the animal. Which may be worth it, depending on your culinary peculiarities.

Centripetal Horse
Nov 22, 2009

Fuck money, get GBS

This could have bought you a half a tank of gas, lmfao -
Love, gromdul

cowofwar posted:

So your company layed off a bunch of experienced devs and hired on a bunch of budget devs? Maybe update your CV.

Yeah :(

Edit: Also, what's up with paying people to attend boot camp? I have a friend in Washington who recently discovered that's he a pretty good programmer, and I bet he'd jump on something like that.

Centripetal Horse fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jul 6, 2016

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Pryor on Fire posted:

No this is for entry level training, zero education or experience required. Lots of folks who literally have never worked anything besides food service/construction before, but have demonstrated some level of interest and aptitude in tech.
Man I really want more information here - I have a friend who has the aptitude and could really use it.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
For real it almost sounds too good to be true! Most of the personal time (unpaid!) I've invested in self-teaching computer skills such as photoshop and html/css has paid off in spades, and I can think of like a dozen people off the top of my head who might literally murder for this kind of opportunity. More info please?

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

cowofwar posted:

Dating advice: buy a house

Before or after upgrading my car to something flashier?

Come to think of it, driving a safe and functional but crappy looking car might be a good way to quickly filter out the kind of people you really don't want to be long term dating anyway.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Someone was just telling me about his doormat of a friend who is planning on breaking up with his girlfriend, but won't do it right away because they have a trip to Thailand and a trip to Vegas planned.

He wants to instead break up after they get back from both.

Gonna love looking at those photos, remembering that trip for years to come :allears:

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

canyoneer posted:



Gonna love looking at those photos, remembering that trip for years to come :allears:

Photoshop can fix that.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

canyoneer posted:

Someone was just telling me about his doormat of a friend who is planning on breaking up with his girlfriend, but won't do it right away because they have a trip to Thailand and a trip to Vegas planned.

He wants to instead break up after they get back from both.

Gonna love looking at those photos, remembering that trip for years to come :allears:

Let me guess, she's paying?

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

SpelledBackwards posted:

Not as good as most other horse chat, but a friend of mine is looking for apartments around South Austin, and found this Craigslist post in a nearby town of someone else needing lodging during her search


That price is actually reasonable in some areas, though probably not anywhere near a major city. A lot of horse people build small apartments over/attached to their barns and rent them out. A "dry stall" (only includes use of facilities, horse owner is responsible for everything else) typically goes for $50-$100/month, so add that to the rent for a small apartment in the middle of nowhere.

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.
The last two times I've gone into a vehicle dealership I've enjoyed it because it's one of the rare opportunities where it's appropriate to be a polite confrontational rear end in a top hat. The first time you walk out of dealer and the sales person immediately switches gears it's like a switch flips in your brain and you immediately understand the difference between the relationship they try to establish and the relationship that exists.

When you carry that swagger into other deals sales people can read it and behave accordingly.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer
Can someone repost the horse rant for me please I need to send it to someone.

Eldred
Feb 19, 2004
Weight gain is impossible.

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

The last two times I've gone into a vehicle dealership I've enjoyed it because it's one of the rare opportunities where it's appropriate to be a polite confrontational rear end in a top hat. The first time you walk out of dealer and the sales person immediately switches gears it's like a switch flips in your brain and you immediately understand the difference between the relationship they try to establish and the relationship that exists.

When you carry that swagger into other deals sales people can read it and behave accordingly.

Is this actually in response to anything or related to the thread content at all, or did you just want to talk about how great you are at negotiating?

Edit: here, a BWM car decision waiting to happen. 27 year old finds out he's going to be a father and now wants to buy a $40,000 car. https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/4rj4sv/is_40000_too_much_car_or_am_i_too_cautious/

Eldred fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 7, 2016

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004
Yawn, guy with $160k income exclusive of retirement contributions wants to buy a $40,000 car

Rurutia
Jun 11, 2009

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

Yawn, guy with $160k income exclusive of retirement contributions wants to buy a $40,000 car

160k gross, the $100k net number is the one exclusive of retirement contributions.

Idk, I still think it's pretty BWM. He's using the kid as a reason to get himself an expensive hobby car. You don't know what kind of medical expenses and poo poo will happen when the kid is born, it's a huge life change. His actual liquidable savings aren't that high, despite the very reasonable net worth. He should 100% wait to see how things fall out, then re-evaluate his financials. Without the kid incoming, I'd agree though.

Rurutia fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jul 7, 2016

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

If you ask /r/personalfinance, nobody should ever drive a car newer than 10 years old or worth more than $5000 unless you are a multimillionaire. And even then you can't really afford it because cars are an absolute waste of money, no exceptions. Granted a lot of people make bad car buying decisions, but they have a huge irrational hate-boner for cars.

Agreed though he should probably wait until after the kid is born and re-evaluate, but yawn he'll be fine.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX

Rurutia posted:

160k gross, the $100k net number is the one exclusive of retirement contributions.

Idk, I still think it's pretty BWM. He's using the kid as a reason to get himself an expensive hobby car. You don't know what kind of medical expenses and poo poo will happen when the kid is born, it's a huge life change. His actual liquidable savings aren't that high, despite the very reasonable net worth. He should 100% wait to see how things fall out, then re-evaluate his financials. Without the kid incoming, I'd agree though.
You're BWM.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Eldred posted:

Edit: here, a BWM car decision waiting to happen. 27 year old finds out he's going to be a father and now wants to buy a $40,000 car. https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/4rj4sv/is_40000_too_much_car_or_am_i_too_cautious/

It's bad with money because he could own a used prius outright and spend the remaining $25-30k on his beater BMW. Daddy needs a turbo.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

I saw a horse rolling around in the pasture like a dog, can someone morph that into a BWM story for me please?

baby puzzle
Jun 3, 2011

I'll Sequence your Storm.
Sounds like it's time for a horse groomer appointment.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

NancyPants posted:

I saw a horse rolling around in the pasture like a dog, can someone morph that into a BWM story for me please?

Was probably trying to kill an imaginary fly, will likely have a heart attack from panic and die next time.

Jazz Police
Nov 6, 2009

It's your fault, man.
Tales from Reddit:

quote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StudentLoans/comments/4qhg11/how_to_show_my_so_my_roi/

I have a structural engineering degree. I have a good job, I make about 85K (pre-tax) so about 60K post. I have approximately 8K in credit card debt about 18% and the reason I haven't paid it off is because I don't have the money too. I only have a small emergency fund of about $800. I do have my own apartment which is $1200/month (SO and I are talking about moving in together). I also have about $135K in private loans to Wells Fargo and Navient and $175K in federal loans (undergrad+grad plus). My loans range between 3-9%

In total I have $320000 in debt. I'm not sure how to explain this to my girlfriend without her getting upset and I want to show the best financial picture possible. I have always made the minimum payments and have never defaulted. How do I show my girlfriend this is under control and we can take care of it whilst staying together?


Crazily enough, his 33-year old (debt-free) girlfriend was not thrilled to find out that her boyfriend is an idiot who has $320k debt from his engineering undergraduate & master''s degree, more credit card debt on top of that, and a rock-solid 520 credit score.

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/4rooh3/me_33m_and_my_girlfriend_33f_had_a_discussion/

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
"she believes I should pay back the full amount borrowed...our views on this differ"

Also, "how can I make her understand this is under control" when he's also run up an 8k bill at 18% that he can't pay off because "[he] doesn't have the money too" but it's under control guys! :psyduck:

edit: also, he makes $85k at age 33 and he thinks he's getting to $150k just by making project manager. I don't think so buddy, at least not for another decade, a decade in which if you have kids/a house you will go even further down the death spiral of debt. Why is she so mad, it's not fair!

Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 8, 2016

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
It would take him ten years spending half his net pay to pay off the principal. Jesus.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Hahha wait has he been strategically only making minimum payments forever for some reason?

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

cowofwar posted:

Hahha wait has he been strategically only making minimum payments forever for some reason?

Well, you get a tax deduction, right? I, uh..

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
The credit card debt is the delicious cherry on top of that sundae.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

New reply from him

quote:

Why would I have to break up with her when she's willing to work with me on it? It's the single selfless thing anyone's ever done for me.

This guy sounds like such a loving rear end in a top hat. I'm sure no one's ever done anything nice for you before, you self-pitying poo poo.

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004
He has two private loans too of like 150k. So the loan forgiveness thing won't even do anything to those in 20 years.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX
On the flip side, she's mentally retarded if she sticks around, so she deserves whatever they get (spoilers a life crushing debt).

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
I guess you have to ask yourself if you love someone enough to devastate both your savings and your savings potential for the rest of your life.

Sometimes the answer is yes?

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Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
OP must be ridiculously good looking?

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