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HEY GAIL posted:thinking about soldiers' graves rapidly depresses me I don't know how to tell you this, but all those names on your muster roles... They're all people in graves. Every last one. All of them.
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If you find war graves depressing I recommend a: visiting England and b: bringing lots of alcohol, we've got lots of war memorials.
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Aug 22, 2017 19:54
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So today at the Bundswehr museum in Dresden, I learned that you should have a mouthful of water if you're going to shoot yourself in the mouth with a Kar98k, to ensure your head really flies apart! 
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Aug 22, 2017 19:56
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dublish posted:I don't know how to tell you this, but all those names on your muster roles... They're all people in graves. 
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Aug 22, 2017 19:56
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dublish posted:I don't know how to tell you this, but all those names on your muster roles... They're all people in graves.
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Aug 22, 2017 19:56
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Siivola posted:Does it count as a burial if a horse tramples your lifeless remains into the mud? Not a very good grave, but sure. I'll also allow 350 years of sediment piling up on exposed bones.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:04
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Almost every village that survived the war in Russia (which is a pretty big if) has a memorial for the people from there who died in the war. Graves of unknown soldiers are also pretty common.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:09
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dublish posted:Not a very good grave, but sure. I'll also allow 350 years of sediment piling up on exposed bones.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:10
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OwlFancier posted:If you find war graves depressing I recommend a: visiting England and b: bringing lots of alcohol, we've got lots of war memorials. poo poo, if you want depressing war memorials go poke around German small towns. I've seen a few with 1.5 memorials and a couple with 2.5: Sometimes there will be an old pre-1914 memorial to locals who died in the Franco-Prussian war. Almost always there will be a post-1918, pre-1939 memorial to all of the locals who died in WW1. Frequently this will have a bunch of names, so you can stand there and get really depressed when you realize that whole families lost huge chunks of their male members, and get even more morose when you think about how big that town was at that time. Why all the oddball .5 stuff? Because sometimes if you walk around to the reverse side of that monument you'll find where they put the names of the guys Hitler got killed. Get depressed all over again as you reflect on the need for commemorating their dead but the fraught post-war politics that led them to add them to the old one. Get even MORE depressed when you look at names, see the same last names on the front and the back, and start putting two and two together.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:13
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HEY GAIL posted:thrown down a well? At that point, all you're missing is the funeral service.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:14
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Cyrano4747 posted:poo poo, if you want depressing war memorials go poke around German small towns. You can sort of do that here, most places down to the village got a cenotaph after WW1, and they got added to in WW2 but sometimes they ran out of space so they built another one, or stuck extra stones down somewhere nearby. I think some of them still add names and yes, you can do the surname game on those too.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:16
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Cyrano4747 posted:poo poo, if you want depressing war memorials go poke around German small towns. Are there memorials to destroyed towns and deaths during the 30 years war? I've read that prior to the world wars that it was still kind of remembered in "national consciousness" as a great disaster. Now it's not as prominent, but killed a greater proportion of the country than either of the world wars, though over a much greater span of time.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:23
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Cyrano4747 posted:poo poo, if you want depressing war memorials go poke around German small towns.
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Go to an old university town. I'd be amazed if there are more war memorials per square mile than in Cambridge. Every college has them, the town has them, the local businesses have them, the college sports clubs have them. It lists 351 memorials in Cambridge.
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i think the reason it hit me so hard is that a turnverein is so freaking nonthreatening. it's like one of the most benign things a bunch of dudes can do
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Aug 22, 2017 20:29
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Yes lots of schools and colleges established at the time of the wars have memorials here to old boys.
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Well, when the army expanded to meet the needs of the war, junior officers were pretty much all pulled from university students and graduates. Officers in WW1 actually suffered a casualty rate greater than enlisted men, and most of these losses fell on their lower ranks.HEY GAIL posted:i think the reason it hit me so hard is that a turnverein is so freaking nonthreatening. it's like one of the most benign things a bunch of dudes can do Weren't turnvereins some of the most common and popular associations in Germany? I also seem to remember that they were pretty important in the development of German nationalism.
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Xerxes17 posted:So today at the Bundswehr museum in Dresden, I learned that you should have a mouthful of water if you're going to shoot yourself in the mouth with a Kar98k, to ensure your head really flies apart! brb...
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  Place was putting out less than 600 undergrads a year. Every now and then you can see a member of the peerage, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Frederick_Cambridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cavendish,_Marquess_of_Hartington quote:His only son, Arthur Onslow Edward Guinness, Viscount Elveden, was killed in action in Belgium in 1945, being an unlucky victim of a V-2 rocket strike. Disinterested fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Randarkman posted:Well, when the army expanded to meet the needs of the war, junior officers were pretty much all pulled from university students and graduates. Officers in WW1 actually suffered a casualty rate greater than enlisted men, and most of these losses fell on their lower ranks. Um excuse me but this does not align with my marxist world view.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes lots of schools and colleges established at the time of the wars have memorials here to old boys. The fairly ordinary but old secondary school I went to had one of those plaques with about 100 names on it. Which was also about the number of kids in my year. Every town and city in the UK has a cenotaph too, pretty much. And compared to Germany and France we got off relatively lightly! There's a reason pacifism was so big in the 20s and 30s UK. Edit: Oxford is an older university town than Cambridge, also p stuffed with these things. Edit edit: having one cenotaph for both wars is pretty much standard here so I'm not sure that's always German specific politics? feedmegin fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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P-Mack posted:I've got a thing on the Arrow War mostly written up so maybe I'll finally get updating again? Look forward greatly to it.
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Randarkman posted:Speaking of American Civil War statues. I'm not from the US, but from Norway which obviously played little part in the American Civil War. However in the municipality I grew up in outside the old town hall there is a statue of a Union officer. I was reading this post with "holy poo poo this statue is in Madison, WI too" in my mind, and then I got to the end. Very interesting though. It makes me irrationally angry that there are statues to the confederacy in or near Illinois (tough to tell on that map and I wouldn't be surprised if Dixon had one). Saw a confederate flag in Chicago the other day--get that poo poo out of Lincoln's state. Pontius Pilate fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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Pontius Pilate posted:It makes me irrationally angry that there are statues to the confederacy in or near Illinois (tough to tell on that map and I wouldn't be surprised if Dixon had one). Saw a confederate flag in Chicago the other day--get that poo poo out of Lincoln's state. What was really confusing was finding out that the sole Confederate memorial in California was in Los Angeles. Would have expected it to be in San Diego.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:What was really confusing was finding out that the sole Confederate memorial in California was in Los Angeles. Would have expected it to be in San Diego. There was a Confederate memorial plaque in Horton Plaza until last week.
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Disinterested posted:Go to an old university town. I'd be amazed if there are more war memorials per square mile than in Cambridge. Every college has them, the town has them, the local businesses have them, the college sports clubs have them. College libraries usually carry the undergraduate newspapers such as they were from the Wars. They make interesting, if very sad reading - lots of "in trenches for first time, d----- cold, please remember me to the dean, anyone know of any other old downing boys out here?" My college's guys went and visited each others families when on leave, which is nice especially when you think they might never have met, or even heard of each other - but they did their duty to the old alma mater and all that. Still got to write up my ideas on cambridge and Oxford and the upper middle class being bred for low level imperial service like prize cattle at some point.
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I kinda like the story of the 1848 revolutionaries who popped up in the Union Army.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:What was really confusing was finding out that the sole Confederate memorial in California was in Los Angeles. Would have expected it to be in San Diego. That's got nothing on the Jefferson Davis plaque that was in Montreal.  http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/jefferson-davis-confederate-plaque-montreal-1.4248206
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How many of you have done this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MahcHw-igX4
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zoux posted:How many of you have done this all my youtube suggestions are reviews/diy instructions for rolling pins now, thanks
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How much was a US territory on the western frontier treated as part of the United States? More specifically, if the CSA somehow survived the Civil War, would it be possible that a territory could petition them for statehood instead?
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lenoon posted:College libraries usually carry the undergraduate newspapers such as they were from the Wars. They make interesting, if very sad reading - lots of "in trenches for first time, d----- cold, please remember me to the dean, anyone know of any other old downing boys out here?" ed. and the quiz show scandal dude, which has nothing to do with war it's just probably the most famous alum. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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lenoon posted:College libraries usually carry the undergraduate newspapers such as they were from the Wars. They make interesting, if very sad reading - lots of "in trenches for first time, d----- cold, please remember me to the dean, anyone know of any other old downing boys out here?" My college has an online exhibit about WW1 and the college: http://www.christs.cam.ac.uk/old-library/exhibitions/christs-at-war Went to see the exhibition when it was in the Old Library. As you say, interesting but sad. The members of the college funded a YMCA hut for soldiers on the front. It was destroyed in the final German offensives of 1918, but the College crest was saved:  College war memorial for WW1:  Matriculation photo, 1914:  Matriculation photo, 1916:  Officer candidates billeted in the College, 1917: 
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My university was burned down in WWI 
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The Belgian posted:My university was burned down in WWI You don't often see a depressing username-post combo, but here it is.
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VanSandman posted:You don't often see a depressing username-post combo, but here it is.
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Panzeh posted:I kinda like the story of the 1848 revolutionaries who popped up in the Union Army. A branch of my family did that. hosed up and joined the wrong side in one of the SW german revolutionary movements in the 1840s, got the hell out of dodge, ended up with kids in the civil war. Family legend has it that, being in Kentucky, they made the decision to send family members off to fight for both sides because, to quote my grandfather, "we weren't going to be on the losing side of another goddamned war." zoux posted:How many of you have done this I've done something similar. I was dressed in military surplus as an E. German border guard one halloween, and a bunch of people took turns breaking beer bottles over my head with the helmet on. We were really loving drunk. Grad school was a special time.
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P-Mack posted:There were plenty of foreign volunteers on both sides but they generally operated as individuals giving advice or technical support as opposed to entire foreign units. One of them, A.F. Lindley, is one of our best primary sources from inside the Taiping. (He pretty clearly prioritizes telling a rip roaring action story over factual accuracy so it needs many grains of salt though). Good good I'm waiting for the bit where "and then the Manchus were all 'enough of this poo poo' and they destroyed irrigation works a thousand years old, and the resulting famine was the largest in modern times."
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I'm still sad that the museum with all the Taiping and WW2 stuff was closed during the few days I spent in Nanjing a while back. I was able to tour the city wall at least.Tevery Best posted:How much was a US territory on the western frontier treated as part of the United States? More specifically, if the CSA somehow survived the Civil War, would it be possible that a territory could petition them for statehood instead? American territory is American territory, regardless of their level of organization and representation in Congress. If the CSA or anyone else had tried to annex it that would be cause for war.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You've put far more effort into debunking that guy's idiot claim than he ever put into conceiving it. Hey as someone whose ancestors were transported to the colonies following their defeat and capture at Culloden I have a right to be pissed at some rear end in a top hat calling them libertarians 
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