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Trump fined $9000 for gag order, warned jail is on the table for further violations
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Apr 30, 2024 14:50
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We rate this a half-wriggle.
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Apr 30, 2024 14:58
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Subjunctive posted:We rate this a half-wriggle. One rapid, stocatto pee-pee twitch for sure
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Apr 30, 2024 14:59
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The walls have closed in by an additional six inches
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Apr 30, 2024 15:09
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So he gets fined at the next hearing on May 2 for another 4 instances, then what? Possibility of contempt jail?
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Apr 30, 2024 15:19
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Raenir Salazar posted:Which implies to me that the DOJ wasn't yet confident enough or the evidence strong enough to do as suggested by Lofgren. That certainly isn't "everyone". The DoJ wasn't confident to investigate? You realize at this point you're arguing in favour of what you claim to be arguing against and have moved to trying to justify the foot dragging rather than denying it, right? There's no evidence of the DoJ aggressively pursuing investigations during Biden's first year in office, and if they had been we should have seen it. The lack of any evidence against (when by every means we should expect quite a lot of it) is more than sufficient evidence for their foot dragging.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:21
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Independence posted:So he gets fined at the next hearing on May 2 for another 4 instances, then what? Possibility of contempt jail? Then hopefully nothing, as Trump gets the message and shuts up. If he can't or won't, things will likely escalate.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:21
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Independence posted:So he gets fined at the next hearing on May 2 for another 4 instances, then what? Possibility of contempt jail? It’s up to the judges discretion. Jail was already on the table and still is if he does it again. But there’s no way to know what the judge is going to decide.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:23
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:It’s up to the judges discretion. Jail was already on the table and still is if he does it again. But there’s no way to know what the judge is going to decide. In his order he laments that he can't fine more but is limited to $1000, and that if that is an insufficient deterrent then the only remaining remedy is jail time
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Apr 30, 2024 15:27
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He also ordered that the posts be removed. If Trump is going to violate again, he'll likely also refuse to remove the posts, which would be an immediate additional violation.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:31
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I assume Trump wants to get thrown in jail for a day for the optics to his base, and he's instructed his social media team to delete any offending stuff after one night in the clinker.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:34
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I like to imagine Trump is being advised getting jailed would be beneficial to his campaign by riling up the base, and is convincing himself that one night in jail is no big deal at all, and then it happens and he actually can't stand having to sleep on a jail bed and not have a phone or anything else to occupy his pea brain.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:36
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One week per offending tweet seems reasonable
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Apr 30, 2024 15:40
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Independence posted:So he gets fined at the next hearing on May 2 for another 4 instances, then what? Possibility of contempt jail? It's up to the judge, but if the maximum fine fails to deter further violations, then the judge is going to escalate to something bigger.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:42
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Nitrousoxide posted:I assume Trump wants to get thrown in jail for a day for the optics to his base, and he's instructed his social media team to delete any offending stuff after one night in the clinker. I get this sentiment because it's what I would do in Trump's situation, but I really can't imagine Trump either being that long-term in his thinking or being willing to pay a cost for his actions.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:43
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If Trump goes to jail, do the SS goons all cram into an adjacent cell or what
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Apr 30, 2024 15:45
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I don't think the judge will actually send him to jail because of the Secret Service, but if he is jailed for contempt, does he go straight to Rikers or is there someplace more private for him? Because a night in Rikers is going to be a lot worse he expects.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:46
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The X-man cometh posted:I don't think the judge will actually send him to jail because of the Secret Service, but if he is jailed for contempt, does he go straight to Rikers or is there someplace more private for him? I always figured that any incarceration served by Trump would have to be house arrest.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:50
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The easiest way to do it would probably to have SS agents take the place of guards within the normal rota, but that would require a lot of planning ahead of time (which IIRC it was reported is actually being done already)
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Apr 30, 2024 15:51
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The X-man cometh posted:I don't think the judge will actually send him to jail because of the Secret Service, but if he is jailed for contempt, does he go straight to Rikers or is there someplace more private for him? Rikers is a prison. Trump would be held in a jail for a night or XX number of nights for contempt. Or more likely house arrest of some sort. edit: ah I just looked at wikipedia and it seems I am incorrect. The Rikers Island complex holds ten jails. So I guess that would be a place he could be taken? beerinator fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Apr 30, 2024 15:52
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I always figured that any incarceration served by Trump would have to be house arrest. Which is lame as gently caress, he already spends all his time hunkered down in golden safe spaces posting bullshit all day, you are depriving him of basically nothing but the ability to go be campaigning but he can definitely just pissbaby it up from home and still manage to win an election I think
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Apr 30, 2024 15:52
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Would a Faraday cage and a scold's bridle violate the 8th Amendment?
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Apr 30, 2024 15:55
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I think you are all missing a key point. A day in jail for Trump is a day without uppers.
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Apr 30, 2024 15:59
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Retro42 posted:I think you are all missing a key point. These are NYC cops we’re talking about. He’ll have his phone, his pills, catering from wherever, and a rack of selfies with NYPD staff and any prisoners he wants to. Let’s be real here folks.
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Apr 30, 2024 16:03
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Chutkan could jail him in DC immediately, for violating the conditions of his RoR/release.
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Apr 30, 2024 16:04
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PainterofCrap posted:Chutkan could jail him in DC immediately, for violating the conditions of his RoR/release. Technically he has violated his bond in almost all of his cases. Getting re-arrested is always a violation of bond and I have had many clients jailed for nothing more. It is of course a presumption of innocence problem yet nevertheless
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Apr 30, 2024 16:07
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GlyphGryph posted:The DoJ wasn't confident to investigate? You realize at this point you're arguing in favour of what you claim to be arguing against and have moved to trying to justify the foot dragging rather than denying it, right? There's a vague claim that the DOJ did nothing, or not enough: quote:I mean it would have been more possible if the Biden DOJ hadn't dragged it's feet for a year on even investigating Trump's various crimes. That stupid move might literally cost us our democracy. That it didn't arrest Trump when it allegedly had the chance: quote:Specifically Merrick Garland, the limpest wrist in law. Dude could've ridden the post-J6 high and clapped the fucker in chains but no he wanted to just let poo poo play out. And I'm not exactly sure what this claim is or what the rest of the post is saying: quote:DOJ should have been on this from the jump and they really underestimated what the J6 cmte was going to be able to show. It kinda sounds like the idea here was the DOJ was waiting on Congress to provide it evidence that it shouldn't have? The key thing here is the central core claim "That the DOJ was negligent in its duties" and I am asking for (substantive) evidence that it was negligent. What processes should they in a political neutral vacuum could have done, that internal policies strongly suggest they should have done that they simply chose not to for objectively specious reasons. And specifically not asking for "They didn't do enough because I think they should have done more because it would've been politically convenient."
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Apr 30, 2024 16:20
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beerinator posted:Rikers is a prison. Trump would be held in a jail for a night or XX number of nights for contempt. Or more likely house arrest of some sort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Detention_Center,_Brooklyn Metro is where they kept El Chapo during his trial.
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Apr 30, 2024 17:15
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He literally feels contempt for this court, but is too cowardly to mouth off in court. Observable truth. E: in my head, he posts something straddling the line (technically just shy of violating the gag order, but clearly contemptuous of the court), judge calls him in, shows him the post, asks him to read the post, asks him if he feels that way now, and locks him up when he replies in the affirmative Uglycat fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Apr 30, 2024 17:31
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Nitrousoxide posted:I assume Trump wants to get thrown in jail for a day for the optics to his base, and he's instructed his social media team to delete any offending stuff after one night in the clinker. Nah, his germaphobic rear end would freak the gently caress out if he even thought about being in jail cell. Besides, there's no way that almost 80 years of living consequence free has enabled him to even contemplate being sent to jail instead of handing over a few stacks of his sucker base's money.
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Apr 30, 2024 17:57
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Gyges posted:Nah, his germaphobic rear end would freak the gently caress out if he even thought about being in jail cell. He would also not be able to get his skin coloration on before trial. Imagine people seeing him with his normal tone?
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Apr 30, 2024 18:17
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Cimber posted:There, or the Metro. It's also has experience housing former presidents (of Honduras).
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Apr 30, 2024 18:31
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Epstein's cell?
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Apr 30, 2024 18:48
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Epstein's cell? Federal. Sadly.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:50
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Trump removed the offending posts just now. Found further down on this link.
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Apr 30, 2024 18:57
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Retro42 posted:I think you are all missing a key point. This is actually an interesting point. I assume he can get a doctor's prescription for drat near anything, but who prescribes for inmates?
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Apr 30, 2024 19:13
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Ynglaur posted:This is actually an interesting point. I assume he can get a doctor's prescription for drat near anything, but who prescribes for inmates? It depends on the jail I'm guessing, but stories like this make me think you shouldn't expect even a basic level of care for your wellbeing: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/heart-transplant-man-dies-jail-b2345958.html (Story is about a man who got put in jail, brought his vital medicine with him, warned the staff about his heart transplant and how important his medication is, only for them to refuse to give it to him. He dies. This was a two-day jail sentence for "simple assault," a verbal threat against his neighbor.) But then again, this would never happen to Trump, I bet the guards would be very eager to please him compared to other inmates for SOME reason Tenkaris fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Apr 30, 2024 19:39
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Ynglaur posted:This is actually an interesting point. I assume he can get a doctor's prescription for drat near anything, but who prescribes for inmates? regular providers. they're just administered by /gestures broadly and generally all at one time. you'd think the state would pay for extended release anti seizure meds, especially since they can't appropriately dose things multiple times a day, but nope!
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Apr 30, 2024 19:53
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As I understand it, trump is now technically out on bond after being found in contempt, right?
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Apr 30, 2024 20:37
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He's out on bond on all his pending charges. Technically the contempt charge is no longer pending, he has been sentenced.
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Apr 30, 2024 20:49
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