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Crasical posted:How would you model a DnD-Style Warlock in Chronicles? Someone with a Faustian bargain, a pact with an eldritch Old God, or an empowered Cultist? Vanilla mortal who's been handed the keys to a lot of magical juju by a sponsor or patron? Probably a Spirit-Ridden. It kind of depends on the context, though. Is this a villain for a mortals game? A high-tier Hunter game? Prey for an Uratha pack? Do you have a player who wants to be a warlock?
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Basic Chunnel posted:Posting here since the Bloodlines thread is archived - Wadjet Eye Games (of many excellent Lucasarts adventure throwbacks fame) and one of the Failbetter guys (of Sunless Sea / Fallen London / that little pre-Inquisition Dragon Age webgame) are kickstarting a text-heavy CYOA RPG explicitly pitched as a spiritual descendant of Bloodlines. Check it out - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/753131002/nighthawks-the-vampire-rpg-0 Speaking of Bloodlines, I was perusing the WoD wiki and I was shocked to that it's been revealed that Jeanette is 6th generation. No wonder she had her own little fiefdom.
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Sep 10, 2018 10:11
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Crasical posted:How would you model a DnD-Style Warlock in Chronicles? Someone with a Faustian bargain, a pact with an eldritch Old God, or an empowered Cultist? Vanilla mortal who's been handed the keys to a lot of magical juju by a sponsor or patron? There's an RPG called "Witch: Fated Souls" which isn't set in the WoD but even from the name is rather evidently inspired by it. It deals with people who have made (sometimes quite literally) deals with the devil in exchange for power. Mechanically it's kind of meh but worth a read for inspiration
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Sep 10, 2018 12:10
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Charlz Guybon posted:Speaking of Bloodlines, I was perusing the WoD wiki and I was shocked to that it's been revealed that Jeanette is 6th generation. No wonder she had her own little fiefdom. Random low Generation characters seemed to be a common theme in the oWoD.
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Sep 10, 2018 16:12
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Charlz Guybon posted:Speaking of Bloodlines, I was perusing the WoD wiki and I was shocked to that it's been revealed that Jeanette is 6th generation. No wonder she had her own little fiefdom. She, or they, are that low? Wow. Apparently the PC is supposed to be like 8th Generation or so, so I guess that explains how she can no-sell your Dominate attempt if you're a Ventrue.
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Sep 10, 2018 16:17
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Crasical posted:How would you model a DnD-Style Warlock in Chronicles? Someone with a Faustian bargain, a pact with an eldritch Old God, or an empowered Cultist? Vanilla mortal who's been handed the keys to a lot of magical juju by a sponsor or patron? Arguably, a regular old mage.
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Sep 10, 2018 16:56
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Dawgstar posted:She, or they, are that low? Wow. Apparently the PC is supposed to be like 8th Generation or so, so I guess that explains how she can no-sell your Dominate attempt if you're a Ventrue. I thought the implication was that you start as a random double-digit rear end in a top hat, but because Caine/Gehenna/plot you quickly develop into effectively a methuselah, also explaining the ludicrous pace at which you pick up skills and disciplines and why LaCroix can boss you around all he wants in the beginning of the game but not towards the end.
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Terrorforge posted:I thought the implication was that you start as a random double-digit rear end in a top hat, but because Caine/Gehenna/plot you quickly develop into effectively a methuselah, also explaining the ludicrous pace at which you pick up skills and disciplines and why LaCroix can boss you around all he wants in the beginning of the game but not towards the end. You don't diablerize anyone as part of the plot that I can recall so I don't know how you'd be magically raising in Gen.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:12
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Caine does it though magic bullshit gen 1 powers, I assume.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:16
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Mors Rattus posted:You don't diablerize anyone as part of the plot that I can recall so I don't know how you'd be magically raising in Gen. I was trying to remember if diablerie or even generation even got mentioned in the game.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:16
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:I was trying to remember if diablerie or even generation even got mentioned in the game. Yeah, Diablerie is mentioned and so is Generation as a concept, but it's never made explicit where the Neonate or their sire fell. A lot of it was guesswork anyway. Like whatever bloodline the Sheriff is supposed to be (maybe that African Tzmisce variant) is at least 7th because he knows Chiropteran Marauder which is Latin for 'I hope you put XP in Firearms'). Etc.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:19
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Mors Rattus posted:You don't diablerize anyone as part of the plot that I can recall so I don't know how you'd be magically raising in Gen. ... magic? More seriously, there's implications that Caine himself has taken an interest in the PC. And when antediluvians get involved, let alone Big Daddy C himself, all bets are right the gently caress off. We're talking about a character whose actual printed sheet basically says "he can do whatever he wants" e: actually maybe he doesn't have a printed sheet and im easily confused by things i read on the internet, but you get my point Admittedly though, this may just be a fan theory among fan theories that happened to get stuck in my head. Not sure if there's any more compelling argument for it other than neatly explaining all the weird video game conventions that don't really need to be explained. Terrorforge fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Sep 10, 2018 |
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Sep 10, 2018 17:21
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Terrorforge posted:We're talking about a character whose actual printed sheet basically says "he can do whatever he wants" Obligatory: 
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Sep 10, 2018 17:25
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Terrorforge posted:... magic? The only real implication is that the taxi driver's voice file is marked 'Cain' - it is definitely not explicit in the game by any means. So yeah, this is absolutely a fan theory.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:27
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I wish it was possible to have a mature conversation about Vampire: Bloodlines without giving me the urge to replay it. Come on, man, you know you're going to drop it halfway through Downtown again.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:29
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ZearothK posted:Come on, man, you know you're going to drop it halfway through Downtown again. Nah, drop it around Hollywood. Downtown is solid all the way through, for the most part
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Sep 10, 2018 17:35
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Mors Rattus posted:The only real implication is that the taxi driver's voice file is marked 'Cain' - it is definitely not explicit in the game by any means. So yeah, this is absolutely a fan theory. That, and his role and behaviour in the final parts of the game suggest he is at the very least some kind of spooky old mover and shaker with an inhuman affect and prophetic tendencies. So if not literally Cain as suggested by the data, at least someone who could plausibly arrange for a fresh neonate to get injected with blood magic stereoids. But yes, of course it's a fan theory. Any discussion of the PCs generation is, because the official answer to why they are the way they are is "we just don't know".
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Sep 10, 2018 17:40
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I still think Velvet is a good NPC.
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Mors Rattus posted:The only real implication is that the taxi driver's voice file is marked 'Cain' - it is definitely not explicit in the game by any means. So yeah, this is absolutely a fan theory.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:59
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Zereth posted:I think the size of your blood pool remains consistent throughout the game, too. It's like, 14 points or so? Yeah, but Bloodlines has absolutely no qualms about altering the PnP mechanics so that's hardly conclusive.
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Sep 10, 2018 18:11
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Mors Rattus posted:You don't diablerize anyone as part of the plot that I can recall so I don't know how you'd be magically raising in Gen. someone is knocking you out/dominating you offscreen so well that you have no indications of it and then subjecting you to that Assamite ritual that raises your generation via alchemical vitae e: or one of the half-dozen other cannonical non-diablerie-based ways of lowering your generation, Assamite sorcery just seems like the most easily accessible method for people who haven't been around a few thousand years - IIRC a Dark Ages supplement had some of Malkav's blood suspended in water being good for a generation per drop, so I'd assume any interested and sufficiently powerful party in the 4th or 5th generation probably knows how to pull off something similar with a bit more effort LGD fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 10, 2018 |
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Sep 10, 2018 18:24
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Mors Rattus posted:The only real implication is that the taxi driver's voice file is marked 'Cain' - it is definitely not explicit in the game by any means. So yeah, this is absolutely a fan theory. I thought the Malkavian PC was pretty clear about it being him at the end
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Sep 10, 2018 18:41
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Kaza42 posted:Nah, drop it around Hollywood. Downtown is solid all the way through, for the most part Every time I replay it, I turn on no-clip for the sewers part. I did it once legit, I'm not doing that nonsense again. e: Oh also, if you use Auspex around the taxi driver, he has a vampiric aura, fwiw.
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Sep 10, 2018 18:44
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The two easiest ways to explain your character shrugging off domination at the end of Bloodlines is A) an increasing Willpower score, such that Lacroix ends up rolling at an effective TN 9 or 10 or B) an increasing VtM 5E Blood Potency score, such that you end up above Lacroix despite starting beneath him.
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LGD posted:someone is knocking you out/dominating you offscreen so well that you have no indications of it and then subjecting you to that Assamite ritual that raises your generation via alchemical vitae I think there's even a Tremere ritual that does it, albeit temporarily. It'd be pretty thematic for whatever burst of power your PC was riding through the game to suddenly end, leaving you eaten by the coming apocalypse as a one-note chump who had a few nights of glory.
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Kaza42 posted:Nah, drop it around Hollywood. Downtown is solid all the way through, for the most part I normally quit around Chinatown, generally after I talk to the super racist stereotype who sells the weapons there. I wish there was more to Hollywood, and there probably was given how much Wesp has added back that was cut originally.
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Dawgstar posted:I normally quit around Chinatown, generally after I talk to the super racist stereotype who sells the weapons there. I wish there was more to Hollywood, and there probably was given how much Wesp has added back that was cut originally. You quit after the sewer? Hell, at that point you may as well finish the game and fuuuuuuuuuuu I'm about to reinstall Bloodlines
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Kaza42 posted:You quit after the sewer? Hell, at that point you may as well finish the game and fuuuuuuuuuuu I'm about to reinstall Bloodlines World of Darkness Megathread: fuuuuuuuuuuu I'm about to reinstall Bloodlines
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ZearothK posted:Come on, man, you know you're going to drop it halfway through Downtown again. Bloodlines only really gets lifeless around the very end of the game. Up to and including the monastery rescue the game has fun stuff to show you. But after that point the combat levels just get longer and longer and the dialogue gets shorter and shorter Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Sep 10, 2018 |
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Sep 10, 2018 22:24
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Unsure if Nighthawks is going to make it at this point. The arc of most kickstarter campaigns, even when such things could really rake in cash, was a horseshoe. If it makes as much in its last week as it did in its first, it won't reach 100%. So uh, spread it around I guess. Paradox has shown no interest in running with an actual use of the Bloodlines IP, might as well let the indies try at a facsimile. Cuz no one else will.
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Sep 10, 2018 22:31
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Basic Chunnel posted:Unsure if Nighthawks is going to make it at this point. The arc of most kickstarter campaigns, even when such things could really rake in cash, was a horseshoe. If it makes as much in its last week as it did in its first, it won't reach 100%. I backed it but haven't kept an eye on it since last week. That would be a bummer.
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At least after the Sewers you get to hang out with best Nosferatu Gary.The Changeling posted:I backed it but haven't kept an eye on it since last week. That would be a bummer. drat, it would feel like the Ars Magica videogame all over again.
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Kaza42 posted:You quit after the sewer? Hell, at that point you may as well finish the game and fuuuuuuuuuuu I'm about to reinstall Bloodlines Eh, it's not that bad if you take the Nos shortcut. You have to make a Hacking check, but that's hardly a problem in the Final Nights of passwords lists online. MonsieurChoc posted:At least after the Sewers you get to hang out with best Nosferatu Gary. You're not wrong there, boss.
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Basic Chunnel posted:You are insane. I am, but the last two times I indeed dropped my playthrough after doing some of the quests in Downtown. I wasn't bored or anything, life just got in the way and then new games came out when I had the time for it. And now I've done Santa Monica so many times that it gives me pause to touch Bloodlines.
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One under appreciated aspect of Bloodlines is that all the music is in mp3 format. So as long as the files lack any ID3 tags you can easily swap out the originals and make the club goths gorilla dance to ABBA, or Miles Davis. Always a good pretext to start a replay
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MonsieurChoc posted:drat, it would feel like the Ars Magica videogame all over again. It never had a chance. 
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Basic Chunnel posted:One under appreciated aspect of Bloodlines is that all the music is in mp3 format. So as long as the files lack any ID3 tags you can easily swap out the originals and make the club goths gorilla dance to ABBA, or Miles Davis. Always a good pretext to start a replay I remember one mod had new music and such, so I decided to give it a try. It came on the radio in place of The Deb of Night so it got uninstalled quick. No Deb, no Friggin' Chicken. We're all civilized here. There's a fan theory Deb is also Kindred, but I think it's equally likely she's done a call-in show in LA for long enough it's hard to phase her. Props to her regular Gomez for getting most of the game's plot right as time goes on.
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Was the second Hunter the Reconking game good? I've been playing the first one recently because it's backwards compatible on Xbox and my buddy gave me his copy. It's OK for what it is, but I'm wondering if I should try and track down the other one.
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joylessdivision posted:Was the second Hunter the Reconking game good? I've been playing the first one recently because it's backwards compatible on Xbox and my buddy gave me his copy. Redeemer adds in a new character (the Redeemer creed) along with the original four. It's essentially the first one with more stuff. If you liked the first one you'll probably enjoy Redeemer. I was able to round up a couple of friends to play it and we had a fine old time.
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Dawgstar posted:Redeemer adds in a new character (the Redeemer creed) along with the original four. It's essentially the first one with more stuff. If you liked the first one you'll probably enjoy Redeemer. I was able to round up a couple of friends to play it and we had a fine old time. Okay I think I'd probably enjoy the first one more if I wasn't playing solo. That escorts mission in the graveyard is killing me.
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