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I dunno, chalk me up with the ones who see victim blaming. No guns = Jews. Jews = Holocaust. IF Jews = guns THEN Jews =/= Holocaust. In the very least, it's saying IF You(*) take are gun THEN You = Hitler(**). (*)or Government (**)or Nazi Germany
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I honest to god do not see that. You obviously can and have drawn that subtext from the photo, but that is not the intent, clearly. If you have to use mathematical equations to prove someone is being offensive, you're probably just reading too much into it.
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Mar 27, 2013 14:23
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Radical Griff posted:The Warsaw uprising is a terrific example of what happens when average citizens band together to fight off foreign occupation. Yea but it took them a while to do it. Also the fact that they didn't lose in open combat but by being burned out. So really the guns worked 
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Mar 27, 2013 14:28
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SaltLick posted:Yea but it took them a while to do it. Also the fact that they didn't lose in open combat but by being burned out. So really the guns worked I'm surprised they lasted as long as they did. It's a brave feat for a Jew, they're usually pretty docile.
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Mar 27, 2013 14:32
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Radical Griff posted:I honest to god do not see that. You obviously can and have drawn that subtext from the photo, but that is not the intent, clearly. I can understand that interpretation pretty well, especially if you turn the Jews into women, and the Nazis into rapists. Granted, at a glance that is definitely not the kneejerk interpretation.
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Mar 27, 2013 14:33
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Trivia posted:I can understand that interpretation pretty well, especially if you turn the Jews into women, and the Nazis into rapists. My friend plugged his computer charger into the wall, and if you replace "electrical outlet" with "women", the "computer" with "patriarchy", and "cord' with "penis", I could definitely see where the victim blaming is coming from. I'm an ardent feminist, but come on, dude.
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Mar 27, 2013 14:37
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Coelacanthian posted:Holy crap crazy! This lady really, really hates that gays are a thing. Am I wrong, or is there just no good way to engage people like this? I love that train of thought. "If you're really so tolerant, why won't you tolerate me saying that a certain group shouldn't have rights or the right to exist? Checkmate hypocrites  "
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Mar 27, 2013 15:40
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I get to say whatever I want, but you have to be silent about what I say!
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Mar 27, 2013 15:48
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It fits perfectly with their attitude of "stop infringing on my religious rights to prohibit you from doing things I don't like" or "if you boycott a company that does something I personally like you are committing thought crime on them." Everything is about them being the victim while victimizing others.
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Mar 27, 2013 15:50
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I also love how she makes the argument that it's not an issue of civil right, while probably throwing shitfits about teaching the controversy of evolution in schools. And not one person (this thread continues, by the way) will engage and question I pose to them outside of "Liberal Gay Agenda MAKING me accept this" and "I'll pray for you!<3"
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Mar 27, 2013 15:54
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I haven't seen much anti-gay nonsense on my FB feed. The most prolific nonsense, however, has been of this variety.
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Mar 27, 2013 16:09
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King Dopplepopolos posted:I haven't seen much anti-gay nonsense on my FB feed. The most prolific nonsense, however, has been of this variety. This is one of those things that at first glance seems really harmless and mundane. Most people would agree with it; outside the first sentence being unsubstantiated bullshit, the rest is pretty obvious. In the context of gay marriage though, "lifestyle" is the most obvious problem because it's implying that homosexuality is a lifestyle and not just a part of who you are intrinsically.
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Mar 27, 2013 16:32
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Parachute posted:Ah yes, Nazi Germany. I saw a movie once where a bunch of conservative civilians who were super serious about preserving the heritage of their country refused to give up their guns because they were worried their government would bring down the hammer on them. It was called Hitler: The Rise of Evil.
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Mar 27, 2013 17:23
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I just noticed this, but I like how it's phrased as "I saw a movie once" rather than "I recall there being...", as if people wouldn't understand if they couldn't link it to a blockbuster. 
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Coelacanthian posted:Holy crap crazy! This lady really, really hates that gays are a thing. Am I wrong, or is there just no good way to engage people like this? King Dopplepopolos posted:I haven't seen much anti-gay nonsense on my FB feed. The most prolific nonsense, however, has been of this variety. 2. Of course loving someone doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they do, but when you're talking about them doing something that is empirically, demonstrably harmless you're on shaky ground.
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Mar 27, 2013 18:26
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Guilty Spork posted:
Indeed. The best counter-argument I've heard on that end is that slave owners probably didn't hate or fear their slaves.
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Mar 27, 2013 18:41
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MisterBadIdea posted:Indeed. The best counter-argument I've heard on that end is that slave owners probably didn't hate or fear their slaves. White people were loving terrified of slave revolts, and for good reason. You go get em', Nat. EDIT: I just realized you possibly are being facetious but I haven't slept in 36 hours so I'll apologize in advance.
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For a break from gaychat, I've engaged someone on corporate taxes: Here are the links used thus far: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-corporate-statutory-and-effective-tax-2013-2 http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/nov/01/michael-mccaul/michael-mccaul-says-us-corporate-tax-rate-worlds-h/ Thoughts? EDIT: Thanks for the quick responses, you guys are great! DarkHorse fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Mar 27, 2013 |
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Mar 27, 2013 19:57
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Since markets aren't perfect (mundane stuff like information asymmetries and cognitive biases get in the way of supply/demand curves), shareholders (via profit) eat half of any tax increases, customers (via prices) and employees (via wages) eat the other half, so if the majority of taxes are then spent on services that mostly customers and employees (ie the vast majority of the population) use, it's a gain for them. http://www.nber.org/papers/w11686.pdf http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/1001349_corporate_tax_incidence.pdf http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1938156 As we all know, inequality harms economic growth, so taxing the rich is better for everyone in the long term. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2011/09/berg.htm  
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Mar 27, 2013 20:30
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DarkHorse posted:For a break from gaychat, I've engaged someone on corporate taxes: Corporation contributions to federal revenue have been declining since the mid 50s. From a high of about 30% to the current <10%. Nominal tax rates are irrelevant.  Edit: Source: http://washingtonpolicywatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/exhibits-9-20-12-profit-shifting-hrg5.pdf
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Mar 27, 2013 21:27
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Lots of good information above. Anyway, normally I don't get much, even after 9 years in Catholic schools, but the other day this showed up. I just, ugh. 
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Mar 27, 2013 22:13
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I vote Republican, because I'm pro-freedom... ...except for schools, union membership, homosexuality, abortion, religious ideology, political ideology... Call me crazy, but forcing a choice of lightbulb on someone is a bit less extreme than disenfranchising large swaths of society.
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Mar 27, 2013 22:32
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DarkHorse posted:http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/nov/01/michael-mccaul/michael-mccaul-says-us-corporate-tax-rate-worlds-h/ That source also seems quite doubtful. i.e. they have this article: http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2013/mar/24/liberals-are-cool/liberal-group-claims-mitt-romney-dick-cheney-donal/ that claims that Romney and Cheney totally didn't draft dodge because they you cannot disprove that they got their girlfriends pregnant or moved to France at just the right time for reasons totally unrelated to the draft.
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Mar 27, 2013 22:37
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SpecialK2 posted:Lots of good information above. Look at that straw man 
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"B-B-But you said you're Pro-Choice! That means you should let people CHOOSE anything  "Someone needs to make like a dancing straw man emoticon.
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Mar 27, 2013 23:42
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SpecialK2 posted:Lots of good information above. ahah, my shithead uncle just posted that on facebook (along with 3 other horrible images)
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Mar 27, 2013 23:57
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Bush signed the lightbulb thing.
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Dr Christmas posted:Bush signed the lightbulb thing. Because he is a category red RINO. Ever wonder the real reason it's classified as uncool to associate with him.
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Mar 28, 2013 00:14
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Conversely Republicans are pro-life, so they should be against the death penalty and all wars.
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Mar 28, 2013 00:40
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That's only while the baby is still in the woman's body. Immediately after it's born what happens to it is its own personal responsibility! CHECKMATE.
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Mar 28, 2013 00:46
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Radical Griff posted:My friend plugged his computer charger into the wall, and if you replace "electrical outlet" with "women", the "computer" with "patriarchy", and "cord' with "penis", I could definitely see where the victim blaming is coming from. You shouldn't blame a woman for failing to defend herself from an attacker; just as you shouldn't blame the Jews for failing to defend themselves from the Nazis. It was an analogy, not some grasping metaphor.
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Guilty Spork posted:ianity. Also if they want to keep calling it traditional marriage they need identify which tradition they're talking about, and probably start campaigning against divorce, romantic marriage, and the woeful lack of livestock payments for marriages. Daniel Webster (also, kudos to his parents for the name) may be my favorite oddball Republican congressman, because he's made it his personal crusade to abolish no-fault divorce. And on occasion has made remarks to the effect of "the gays are right that they're actually NOT much of a threat to traditional marriage compared to legal divorce. [So you whiny babies need to sit down and shut up about the homosexuals unless you're willing to join my righteous endeavor.]"
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Mar 28, 2013 01:09
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I know someone posted a link back to a website showcasing and listing all the weird things the bible allows. Could someone repost that? I searched google but could only find one that gave a random quote without categories.
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Mar 28, 2013 01:24
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ThirdPartyView posted:Isn't there a Peanuts cartoon where Schultz explains why he abhors political cartoons? From what I remember, it was pretty dead-on with its criticism.  Second: is this the one you were thinking of?  "Here's a figure I call 'the grim reaper'..."
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I don't have bona-fide anti-gay people on my wall. Instead, I have someone who's against the promotion of same-sex marriage because you can't patch a broken system and the state should be kicked out of all marriage. Said a married heterosexual, obviously.
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Mar 28, 2013 03:01
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Ask him how he feels about his tax deduction for his marriage. (Presumed reply would be a textbook libertarian response on taxes).
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Ask him how he feels about his tax deduction for his marriage. (Presumed some reply would be textbook libertarian response on taxes). What he actually does politically is usually good, he just likes to say outrageous things on Facebook, to get a rise out of people. I doubt he'd actively go to an equal marriage protest and disrupt it. ETA: Yes, I think same-sex couples should have equal access to prenatal care and abortion, too. A good image.
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So I kind of got dragged into this facebook argument with a guy that's an utter gun freak. He plays the victim all the time, and sticks gun related images into whatever he can. I'm sure you've all seen the equality profile picture going around? Well, he has one with two guns. Anyway, the following album on imgur is from the argument we've had. I'm FB user #6 http://imgur.com/a/WwvXX I'm not sure how to link the actual images here from Imgur. If anyone can give me pointers for the last reply, it'd be useful. I'm TRYING to stay respectful as he's a good friend of my brothers, but I'm about to say gently caress it and block him, again,
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Radical Griff posted:I'm not getting that at all. Remember, the American right is the biggest supporter of Israel in US politics. Yeah but they don't do it because they actually LIKE Israel or Jews, they do it because their version of evangelical Christianity says that Jews have to be in Israel for Jesus to come back. That and they hate Muslims.
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