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WEREWAIF posted:What if some rogue team had a plan to develop an American prospect, offer him more than a rookie scale contract, and hope he stays around for 5 or 6 years? It'd be cool to see what happens. I would guess they'd still go to the NBA though in most cases. The long term earning potential there is higher, they wouldn't have to live in a strange foreign country where they don't speak the language (the people who are all "they should totally all go to Europe and get paid!!1" really undersell how hard this is to do as a 19 year old), and they've probably been dreaming of the NBA since they were in grade school. No one in the US grows up dreaming of being Euroleague MVP, they want to be like Jordan or LeBron.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 00:11 |
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MourningView posted:It's really not though, because he's not going to play at all. Those teams aren't ever going to make a serious effort to develop guys they know are only sticking around for a year. He's gonna play for like the Shanghai Sharks or something though, average 30ppg and win a championship with Stephon Marbury (n.b. I don't know what team Stephon Marbury plays for). It's gonna be great. I mean I realize the various overseas and D-League prospects to date have not wowed the world but I think at some point the floodgates will open and a lot of prospects will start pursuing those routes.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 01:33 |
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I think y'all seriously overestimate how much some kid from inner city LA or wherever wants to live in China or Turkey
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 01:47 |
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MourningView posted:I think y'all seriously overestimate how much some kid from inner city LA or wherever wants to live in China or Turkey 20 years of evidence shows that faraway locales like Vancouver and Toronto are too exotic for basketball players so probably.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 02:54 |
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http://www.tucsonspl.com/ . This is where he should play.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 03:45 |
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MourningView posted:I think y'all seriously overestimate how much some kid from inner city LA or wherever wants to live in China or Turkey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_%27N_Text_Tropang_Texters
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 03:47 |
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pseudodragon posted:20 years of evidence shows that faraway locales like Vancouver and Toronto are too exotic for basketball players so probably. You'd think that at least Vancouver's fixation on weed would have won somebody over.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 10:43 |
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MourningView posted:It's really not though, because he's not going to play at all. Those teams aren't ever going to make a serious effort to develop guys they know are only sticking around for a year. He will if he goes to China, they had no problems playing the guys who jumped during the lockout.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 13:59 |
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DeimosRising posted:He will if he goes to China, they had no problems playing the guys who jumped during the lockout. Well okay but it'll be China and no one will care. And yeah as noted below there's a difference between playing a guy who can help you win right now and giving a lot of minutes to an extremely raw 19 year old who still has a lot of work to do on his game and isn't going to be there after a year. He can probably play in China, but it'll be because the Chinese league isn't very good, and that's its own issue when it comes to scouting him. He's not good enough right now that a good Euro team would play him. MourningView fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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DeimosRising posted:He will if he goes to China, they had no problems playing the guys who jumped during the lockout. International teams have no problem playing guys if they're good enough no matter what their nationality (league-mandated restrictions asides), it's just they're not going to sacrifice a chance to win and/or the development of players they know they're going to keep around for the sake of the Jennings and Tylers of the world, and the truth is that those 18-year-olds just aren't good enough to come in and start/play big minutes for any decent European team. I don't know that much about Mudiay specifically admittedly, but from what I have heard he's not on that level where he's gonna break that mould, and there's about a 99% chance he's not good enough to start or play substantial minutes in China or at a top European club right now. It'll probably end up more Jennings than Tyler, but the chances that he ends up some sort of sensation and a model for players skipping the NCAA are very slim indeed.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 14:43 |
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How much do these guys really develop during their one year in college? It's more about exposure than development
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 15:12 |
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BIZORT posted:How much do these guys really develop during their one year in college? It's more about exposure than development Right, and if they play on a Euro team they don't get any because they don't play at all.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 15:45 |
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I don't know the legality of this, but what if some Euro clubs tried signing high school freshmen to five year deals? I mean that'd probably be a terrible situation for the kids, but it's how Euro clubs develop all their talent
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 15:49 |
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Chris de Sperg posted:I don't know that much about Mudiay specifically admittedly, but from what I have heard he's not on that level where he's gonna break that mould, and there's about a 99% chance he's not good enough to start or play substantial minutes in China or at a top European club right now. It'll probably end up more Jennings than Tyler, but the chances that he ends up some sort of sensation and a model for players skipping the NCAA are very slim indeed. With you for the top Euro clubs, absolutely. The Chinese league is, comparatively, really bad. 5'9" cargo cult Iversons are the quintessential Chinese player, Jennings would have torn that league UP even at 18.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 16:13 |
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BIZORT posted:How much do these guys really develop during their one year in college? It's more about exposure than development Hah c'mon y'all with these dudes the difference between age 17-19 is sometimes like 6 inches and 50 pounds let alone developments in the game. Showing visible development which outpaces your peers who're doing similar tasks is how you work your way up the draft board. Unless the emphasis word there is College and you're talking about the miracle Kobe-style freaks who were/woulda-been drafted straight out of high school and may have been wasting their time in college compared to the benefit they would receive from practicing against players as close to NBA-levels of skill/athleticism as possible?
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 16:13 |
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EvanTH posted:Hah c'mon y'all with these dudes the difference between age 17-19 is sometimes like 6 inches and 50 pounds let alone developments in the game. Showing visible development which outpaces your peers who're doing similar tasks is how you work your way up the draft board. He and several other guys in this class would have been drafted straight out of high school.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 16:28 |
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Chris de Sperg posted:That's not really comparable, the guys who went to China during the lockout (and before or after it) were established, developed players with plenty of professional experience under their belts. He'd easily start and probably dominate in China.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 18:06 |
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If it's about development he should really enter the D-league because the d-leauge tends to steer these types of players to teams where the NBA squads have a lot of input into the running of the team and guys are getting some of the same development they might have in the NBA. Most of the high schoolers who have entered the NBA have gotten drafted at least. Unfortunately it also sort of shows what a player really has, which to me is a plus, but NBA GMs generally draft on potential ahead of certainty. But that's like 13-25 K a year whereas overseas he might get a million bucks to just sit on the bench, and someone in the NBA likely still willing to drop a lottery pick sight unseen.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 18:38 |
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Redgrendel2001 posted:He'd easily start and probably dominate in China. There's a whole Decision aspect to it to because everyone on state-sponsored television will be like: "WILL HE PICK MAHRAM TEHRAN BC OR AZAD UNIVERSITY TEHRAN BC?!?!?!" Protip: the important thing in Iranian basketball free agency is to decide by picking the team logo you think is coolest Like Kevin Sheppard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Sheppard
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 18:42 |
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If Exum can go in the lottery there's really no reason to think he won't unless he's absolutely awful overseas or gets himself into a bunch of trouble. They're similar prospects in a lot of ways and spending a year beating up on China is still more of a test than Exum had last year. It just probably kills any chance he had to go number 1 unless all the college guys way underwhelm.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 18:43 |
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DeimosRising posted:With you for the top Euro clubs, absolutely. The Chinese league is, comparatively, really bad. 5'9" cargo cult Iversons are the quintessential Chinese player, Jennings would have torn that league UP even at 18.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 19:17 |
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a 5'9" SG would still have 3 inches on Aquille Carr and thank you for reminding me to check my monthly search for new Aquille Carr videos, looks like Vice did a bit on him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejUEzSawMfk edit: it sucks EvanTH fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jul 15, 2014 |
# ? Jul 15, 2014 20:17 |
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Probably doesn't mean anything but Nurkic dropped 30/17 with 4 steals on Portugal in the FIBA under 20 thing.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:24 |
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TheFallenEvincar posted:There's always Tehran. Hahaha yesssssss
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 07:20 |
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ooo I'm looking at the FIBA schedule and the Dominican Republic is in our group so we'll get to see Karl Towns play Team USA again on Sept 3 I think http://www.fiba.com/basketballworldcup/2014/USA
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 01:22 |
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EvanTH posted:ooo I'm looking at the FIBA schedule and the Dominican Republic is in our group so we'll get to see Karl Towns play Team USA again on Sept 3 I think I've already watched enough Francisco Garcia to last me a lifetime gosh dangit.
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 01:24 |
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EvanTH posted:ooo I'm looking at the FIBA schedule and the Dominican Republic is in our group so we'll get to see Karl Towns play Team USA again on Sept 3 I think How is Steven Adams not on the New Zealand national team?
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 20:53 |
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Metapod posted:How is Steven Adams not on the New Zealand national team? He quite sensibly prioritised Summer League and continued development with NBA coaches over getting demolished playing alongside amateurs. Did you see NZ v Korea last night? That was some low quality basketball man.
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# ? Jul 18, 2014 07:44 |
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TheFallenEvincar posted:There's always Tehran. The Azad U Wing Dicks
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# ? Jul 18, 2014 19:41 |
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=1&source=Chad-Ford-Mock-Draft N'Chad Ford has his first Mock Draft for the class of 15 I'll paste it here for non-insider paying fellows of the proletariat. Sorry for formatting troubles, I've tried to clean it up. quote:
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# ? Aug 4, 2014 23:00 |
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Chad Ford's lovely narrative gets more insufferable every year. Thanks Igor.
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# ? Aug 4, 2014 23:36 |
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I believe chad ford made a type, OKC should have the 30th pick since they will win the finals
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# ? Aug 4, 2014 23:43 |
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My highlight video watching uninformed opinion is that Karl Towns has a higher ceiling than Okafor, but Okafor has a good chance to be an offensive stalwart for a long time
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# ? Aug 4, 2014 23:52 |
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That's really stupid to combine both NBA projections (before the season starts) AND draft order projections, why don't they just rank talent? Is it fun to be doubly wrong?
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# ? Aug 5, 2014 00:48 |
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EvanTH posted:That's really stupid to combine both NBA projections (before the season starts) AND draft order projections, why don't they just rank talent? Is it fun to be doubly wrong? He has just a ranking of top prospects too, but people are more likely to click on an actual mock draft
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# ? Aug 5, 2014 01:34 |
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I just don't like doing mock drafts a year ahead of time. Too much poo poo can happen. Prospect rankings are fine.
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# ? Aug 5, 2014 03:26 |
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Crazy Ted posted:I just don't like doing mock drafts a year ahead of time. Too much poo poo can happen. Prospect rankings are fine.
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# ? Aug 5, 2014 03:28 |
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MourningView posted:He has just a ranking of top prospects too, but people are more likely to click on an actual mock draft And the mock draft allows him to talk about fit with teams, skills they do and don't have, are developing etc, and personality stuff that specific teams care about. It just makes painting a picture of them as NBA players easier.
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# ? Aug 5, 2014 04:57 |
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Haha Frank Kaminsky to the Lakers. That might be the straw that breaks the camel's back in LA.
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# ? Aug 5, 2014 09:15 |
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What do you guys think of Caris Levert?
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# ? Aug 9, 2014 23:25 |