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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Booker can gently caress off https://twitter.com/elizashapiro/status/1086317863827312640?s=20
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So which candidate has the best chance of running and winning against President Pence? probably the exact person best to run against trump
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Jan 18, 2019 20:58
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Uncle Wemus posted:Booker can gently caress off Lol Booker’s political instincts are poo.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:59
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Someone has defaced our tribute to Uncle Joe, I demand the Mods take harsh punitive action
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Jan 18, 2019 20:59
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Uncle Wemus posted:Booker can gently caress off https://twitter.com/joshuamound/status/802957616439853056
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Jan 18, 2019 21:05
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On one hand, charter schools are terrible, and are generally disliked by the democratic base. On the other hand, charter schools attract a lot of donors. Marshall Tuck raised more than every democratic candidate for senate not named Beto in his race for school superintendent in CA solely on being the charter candidate. Booker probably figures he will get some massive windfall by being the only openly charter school advocate that more than makes up for their unpopularity. If Tuck can raise 30 million for school superintendent of california, I can't imagine the amount of money involved in a presidential race.
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Jan 18, 2019 21:38
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Majorian posted:-More recently, he said that the left should align with Tucker Carlson and other alt-rightists because he thinks they're anti-war. (they're actually not) I listened to that ep and his point was that dems are warhawks, not that carlson is someone with whom the left should align iirc.
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Jan 18, 2019 22:08
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1086360280857231360 What the hell does that even mean
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Jan 18, 2019 22:11
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1086360280857231360 fewer of the wrong color of immigrants
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Jan 18, 2019 22:12
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heyitsamanda posted:I'll bite here.
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Jan 18, 2019 22:27
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1086360280857231360 "Right-sizing" was a 90s euphemism for "downsizing", which of course was an 80s euphemism for "firing people". It means cutting immigration.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:16
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VitalSigns posted:"Right-sizing" was a 90s euphemism for "downsizing", which of course was an 80s euphemism for "firing people". Dem establishment is adopting a lot of 90s rhetoric and language about immigration which led to all of Clinton's disastrous policies. I expect a lot of the primary debate to be a race-to-the-center to compromise on "pragmatic, compassionate" immigration reform and border security, resisting Trump by only giving him 95% of everything he wants. One of the poo poo NPR podcasts this week was even trying to rehabilitate the '95 act by painting it as only being awful because Barbara Jordan died before it passed and got twisted into something bad, glossing over in ten seconds all the reasons it was already terrible in the spirit of compromise (reducing caps, increasing enforcement, structured against the poor, etc.)
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Jan 18, 2019 23:31
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i think it's worth thinking about who you'd vote for as a second choice even if you're dead set on sanders because very old people have an annoying tendency to get sick or die unexpectedly i don't think it makes him a worse candidate (than anyone else, anyway) if he's actually running, but i wouldn't take it as a given that he's going to.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:37
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Cease to Hope posted:i think it's worth thinking about who you'd vote for as a second choice even if you're dead set on sanders because very old people have an annoying tendency to get sick or die unexpectedly b u t never to me? nice try obummer.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:43
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I believe there was a movie about what most leftists would go with as their second option if Bernie was incapacitated by age.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:48
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Honestly I'll ultimately accept anyone who runs on Medicare for All, Green New Deal, and Living Wage cause there's an immediate and pressing need for those policies. There's a lot of other policies that are nessicary and that I really want to see, but ultimately I can accept waiting on them if we can at least avert/mend the major catastophes.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:49
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fool_of_sound posted:Honestly I'll ultimately accept anyone who runs on Medicare for All, Green New Deal, and Living Wage cause there's an immediate and pressing need for those policies. There's a lot of other policies that are nessicary and that I really want to see, but ultimately I can accept waiting on them if we can at least avert/mend the major catastophes.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:58
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Sinistral posted:He’s losing to Biden by 11 points though. This keeps happening again and again every time polls come up in this thread, and it always results in a massive debate on how to interpret the data, so let me try, for the last time, to bridge the gap: There are two different narratives that I think sometimes get conflated. Narrative 1 is "Black voters don't like Bernie." This is a centrist donut twitter narrative and it is, and has always, been total bullshit. Bernie polls great numbers with black voters and always has. The idea that black people don't like Bernie is wrong, hard stop, no debate. The more complicated narrative is "Black voters like Bernie, but he may not be their first choice of candidate because they like someone else more". This narrative is, at least, debatable. It was true in 2016, for example, and the current crop of 2020 polling also suggests it: Bernie is popular, but Biden is even more popular, often by 10+ points. Now, I think there's tremendous reason to be skeptical of our current polling (Joe Biden ain't it, so any poll with Biden at the top is automatically suspect). And I'm assuming Sanders is smart enough to look at where he fell short in 2016 and adjust his campaign accordingly, and Sanders 2020 will lean heavily on Southern black outreach, so a lot can change by Super Tuesday 2020. Also, the more I look at the polls, the more I'm convinced they're measuring the wrong thing: the biggest metric is age, not ethnicity. OLDER people like Bernie less, and black voters historically skew older. Bernie polls great with young black voters. So if he can bump youth turnout across the board relative to 2016, that alone will be a big win. heyitsamanda posted:I'll bite here. This feels totally wrong to me. A party can't just oust a President widely popular with its base and pretend it didn't happen; if they could, they would've done it a year ago. The whole reason the Republican party is powerless is because Trump is unpopular nationally but very popular with a majority of their voters, and they can't move against him without suffering their wrath. A world where the party impeaches Trump in favor of a Romney is absolutely one where a Trumpist runs a third-party ticket, calls the party establishment cowards and traitors, and probably gets a BIGGER share of their vote than the annoited RINO. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jan 19, 2019 |
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Jan 19, 2019 00:05
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Condiv posted:this is the long and short of it Okay but pragmatically Bernie is one of the few people on this list who would generally lose to trump. You're not wrong but it might be better to let him drag someone younger to the left and then vote for that younger person.
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Jan 19, 2019 00:47
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I really think Joe Biden would be a real downer president. He just doesnt have the intestinal fortitude.
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Jan 19, 2019 00:53
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Okay but pragmatically Bernie is one of the few people on this list who would generally lose to trump. You're not wrong but it might be better to let him drag someone younger to the left and then vote for that younger person. It it opposite day already?
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Jan 19, 2019 00:55
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Cease to Hope posted:i think it's worth thinking about who you'd vote for as a second choice even if you're dead set on sanders because very old people have an annoying tendency to get sick or die unexpectedly Who's running on the Green ticket?
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Jan 19, 2019 01:00
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Willa Rogers posted:Who's running on the Green ticket? A huckster who shills fake medicine for a living
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Jan 19, 2019 01:06
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Okay but pragmatically Bernie is one of the few people on this list who would generally lose to trump. If you're gonna say poo poo like this, you really should have to back it up with an argument as to why you think that. Willa Rogers posted:Who's running on the Green ticket? Man, at least do a write-in for "The Ghost of Bernie Sanders". Don't support those goobers.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:06
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fool_of_sound posted:A huckster who shills fake medicine for a living Yeah, probably hucking bullshit like a "Green New Deal", "free college", "stopping fracking", "increasing minimum wage", "single payer healthcare",
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Jan 19, 2019 01:12
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Breakfast All Day posted:Yeah, probably hucking bullshit like a "Green New Deal", "free college", "stopping fracking", "increasing minimum wage", "single payer healthcare", Also 'vaccines cause autism' and 'insurance should pay for homeopathy' and 'big scare stickers on gmo products' and 'cure cancer with magnets'
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Jan 19, 2019 01:15
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Breakfast All Day posted:Yeah, probably hucking bullshit like a "Green New Deal", "free college", "stopping fracking", "increasing minimum wage", "single payer healthcare", If the 2020 primary has taught us anything it’s that it’s easy to say you support [good things] while also being a fraud, yes.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:15
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I never see this age worry about Biden or Warren. 
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Jan 19, 2019 01:19
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fool_of_sound posted:Also 'vaccines cause autism' and 'insurance should pay for homeopathy' and 'big scare stickers on gmo products' and 'cure cancer with magnets' uh excuse you the magnet cured my balance tyvm
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Jan 19, 2019 01:20
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Mr Hootington posted:I never see this age worry about Biden or Warren. I've seen it plenty about Warren too. Not Biden though lol. Biden and Bloomberg are my nightmare candidates and probs the only ones that would make me protest vote. Harris is somewhere around that level too though.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:21
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Mr Hootington posted:I never see this age worry about Biden or Warren. nobody here actually wants biden or warren (or trump or clinton, for that matter)
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Jan 19, 2019 01:21
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Mr Hootington posted:I never see this age worry about Biden or Warren. This is partially because Biden's age is like the least bad thing about him, as opposed to the worst.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:22
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Z. Autobahn posted:This is partially because Biden's age is like the least bad thing about him, as opposed to the worst. 
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Jan 19, 2019 01:23
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I understand the concerns about Bernie's age, but I don't think they're rational. What's the concern, that if he dies in office he won't be able to accomplish everything he says? Sure, fair enough, but he wants to do way more than the other Democratic candidates. If somebody wants to do twice as much but dies halfway through, that's a wash. And Bernie isn't going to pick some horrible ghoul like Biden or Kaine to be his VP. If we get two years of President Bernie Sanders before he croaks and then we get two years of President Barbara Lee, how is that bad?
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Jan 19, 2019 01:24
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Gripweed posted:I understand the concerns about Bernie's age, but I don't think they're rational. What's the concern, that if he dies in office he won't be able to accomplish everything he says? it's important to be alive and reasonably healthy to get through a primary and election in the first place
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Jan 19, 2019 01:26
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C-spam fact #875: Did you know that bernies the same age as 90% of all politicians in the world
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Jan 19, 2019 01:27
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Cease to Hope posted:it's important to be alive and reasonably healthy to get through a primary and election in the first place That's not true. Remember 2016? Hillary Clinton was constantly collapsing from the flu and Donald Trump was obese and obviously going senile.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:28
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Gripweed posted:I understand the concerns about Bernie's age, but I don't think they're rational. What's the concern, that if he dies in office he won't be able to accomplish everything he says? Sure, fair enough, but he wants to do way more than the other Democratic candidates. If somebody wants to do twice as much but dies halfway through, that's a wash. And Bernie isn't going to pick some horrible ghoul like Biden or Kaine to be his VP. If we get two years of President Bernie Sanders before he croaks and then we get two years of President Barbara Lee, how is that bad? I think the concerns are less about him dying (though that's a factor); on a purely health level, something like dementia would be way more of a concern because he'd still be in office but his capacities to do his job would be much more unreliable/in question. More than that though, I do think there is objectively a bad thing in having an Old Man as president, and a lot of people would prefer someone else demographically; I think having a woman President would be good for America, and it bums me to vote for a man, and the same goes for someone old. Even the best old person is still, on a lot of levels, out of touch. Like, 99% of the "Bernie is bad on race/gender" discourse is actually "Bernie is an old man and talks like one" I think the vast majority of Bernie supporters would prefer a younger candidate with the same views and passion. Problem is, that person doesn't exist (or is TOO young).
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Jan 19, 2019 01:28
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Z. Autobahn posted:Hillary endorses Bernie, triggering the Third Impact That scene where giant naked Rei turns into giant naked Kaworu and absorbs Shinji except it’s Hillary turning into Bernie and Shinji is me.
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every time i bring up "sanders is old and may choose not to run / die" someone gets mad at some straw man claiming that sanders is too old to be president i am confident in sanders's ability to identify his own capacity to act as president; i am merely pointing out that that means he may decide for himself that he's not up to it, or have no choice in the matter. what candidate would you prefer, then?
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