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Collapsing Farts
Jun 29, 2018

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You wouldnt download a car

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
The PSA's are wrong, I absolutely would download a car if that were a thing I could do.

Edit: also they say you wouldn't steal a car but who are they to judge, they don't know me, maybe I would steal a car huh ever think about that

Good Ol Filbert
Jun 10, 2019

Too bad for The Man, I just finished pirating these perpetual motion plans and I'm about to print up an entire car

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
I'm gonna download a blender model of a car and then 3D print it so that when I have visitors over I can point at it and say "Yeah, that's right, I didn't pay a cent for that baby :smug:"

Good Ol Filbert
Jun 10, 2019

You smug son-of-a-gun!

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Cars are expensive and I would absolutely download one.

Good Ol Filbert
Jun 10, 2019

A Flintstones car, but you use a hoverboard under it and you keep getting your laces stuck in the wheels

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

Sometimes I'll pirate something I own just because it's easier than figuring out what the gently caress my login info is or dealing with finding/using CDs or whatever.

gbs but from 2004
Oct 24, 2004

wow u rude pig

"i STarTed this TOIlEt Of A tHreaD aNd HAve sOmEHOW aVoidEd A red teXt"
im the anti piracy ad that got in trouble for pirating the music used in the ad

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

back when i lived in beijing i used to go to these awesome fake dvd stores, they were just packed with every movie they could find including weird euro ones and festival indie flicks, shelves of them like they were 90s vhs stores or whatever. I'd just fill up my arms with as many I could carry and fill my high school brain with the weirdest films and lovely knockoff horror movies

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
All of you pirates have destroyed the media companies. Now, none of them make money and we all are suffering.

Think of all the HBO executives, struggling to pay for a skimpy hundred foot yacht.

What about the missing ad revenues? Those poor actors who can only afford ten Porches instead of twenty.

Have you no compassion for the struggling media mogul who has a private fleet of aircraft? How will he pay for all those planes and helicopters?

You all need to think long and hard about how your piracy affects the content creators.

Dr. Gojo Shioji
Apr 22, 2004

DB Pooper posted:

I like internet piracy a lot more than regular boat piracy

What about both at the same time?

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

Plus like apparently everyone in the entertainment industry is a pedo rapist so gently caress them

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Rad-daddio posted:

All of you pirates have destroyed the media companies. Now, none of them make money and we all are suffering.

Think of all the HBO executives, struggling to pay for a skimpy hundred foot yacht.

What about the missing ad revenues? Those poor actors who can only afford ten Porches instead of twenty.

Have you no compassion for the struggling media mogul who has a private fleet of aircraft? How will he pay for all those planes and helicopters?

You all need to think long and hard about how your piracy affects the content creators.

I do feel something for them. Mostly contempt, a little hate, and when I'm honest, envy.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

Oscar Wild posted:

I do feel something for them. Mostly contempt, a little hate, and when I'm honest, envy.

It's like when you hate something so much your brain short circuits and you get a little aroused too?

Telebite
Aug 23, 2018

Collapsing Farts posted:

You wouldnt download a car

if you could pay to download and 3d print a car and there was a way to download and print it without paying, i'd probably download and print the car without paying, then drive it and gently caress with it for a bit, then put it away someplace and never touch it again

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon
Imagine having a machine that can copy everything for zero cost.
It would be heavily guarded. If you want a thing, you gotta pay. Instead of copying the machine and having it everywhere so everyone can have everything.

Nice world you got there. :420:

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Rad-daddio posted:

It's like when you hate something so much your brain short circuits and you get a little aroused too?

It's just greed. Envy and greed that these people have managed to attach themselves leech like to real creative and talented people.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

Telebite posted:

if you could pay to download and 3d print a car and there was a way to download and print it without paying, i'd probably download and print the car without paying, then drive it and gently caress with it for a bit, then put it away someplace and never touch it again

Insurance would charge you out the rear end for it and that would be the entire business.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



i downloaded metallica from napster and I'd do it again

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

RepeatingMeme posted:

Let’s keep this conversation nice and clean, please don’t link to any sites or illegal downloads. This also isn't a how-to or anything, google is right over there you can figure it out on your own. This is just a conversation about your feelings on illegally downloading content.



Anyway, what do you think of internet piracy?

Personally, I’m a big fan of it, it’s free so what’s not to like? Plus, I haven’t seen an ad for anything in years. its great and I can’t believe in tyool 2019 there are still huge morons who order cable and suffer through advertisements everywhere. Even some streaming services have ads! Barbaric. “But what about those poor content creators” you might be thinking. Well I totally sympathize to a certain degree, if I download something I really enjoy or get a lot of use out of then I’ll totally purchase a legitimate copy, or donate to the creators or something. but any Hollywood blockbusters or big companies can eat my rear end, they already make more money then ill ever see in my lifetime so I can’t give a dangnabbit about them losing my :10bux:.

Do you still pirate things? Does the ethical dilemma of stealing content keep you up at night? Do you think piracy will be back on the rise once everyone and their grandma starts opening up their own streaming service? I think it might

I do indeed. I resolve the moral tangle by (truthfully) saying that either i don't buy it and don't watch/listen to it OR I pirate it and watch/listen to it. Those are the two options. There is no conceivable way that I would buy it, so the creators are actually neither losing anything nor gaining anything.

I donate to small time creators and purchase certain things; I also pay for Google Play for music and borrow logins for netflix and amazon. Google Play is an example of those content owners making it easy for me to not pirate and I'm happy to pay that fee to have access to all the music.

Mostly I pirate games (which I usually end up playing for about 5 or 10 minutes and quitting, if they're actually good I'll pay for them), big budget movies (as you said, gently caress em), and books. I probably feel the worst about pirating books and every couple months I'll take the best three books I read in that time and purchase them / donate directly to the author.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Piracy is good and I'm not only okay with it i believe in encouraging it and propagating it as a practice i see great utility in causing direct harm to the kinds of corporations that tend to benefit most from the current state of copyright law.

I actually purchase stuff still but that's on my discretion and tbh is reserved for indie game studios and other similarly small scale operations like lol i haven't purchased an Activision or EA or Ubisoft product in literally years and I'm not really softening this policy as i age.

Oh well i really don't care what antipiracy people have to say anymore. I enjoy being able to make a moral call with my wallet without losing out on fun stuff most of the time lol

Soul Reaver
Mar 8, 2009

in retrospect the old redtext was a little over the top, I think I was in a bad mood that day. it appears you've learned your lesson about slagging our gods and masters at beamdog but I'm still going to leave this av up because i think its funny

god bless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
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JK Fresco
Jul 5, 2019

Xaintrailles posted:

Not disagreeing that it's illegal and generally unethical.

If the reason you insist on using words wrong is because you feel like the emotional reaction fits better, why did you land on stealing? Stealing is not only the classic example for when crime can be acceptable (stealing bread to feed your starving family) but it's also something that is widely done when it's perceived to be trivial (stealing office supplies from work). Surely something stronger would fit better with how bothered you are by this?

Intellectual property molestation

Novo
May 13, 2003

Stercorem pro cerebro habes
Soiled Meat
Why would anyone feel bad about pirating movies? Everyone whose livelihood is working on them gets paid before (and whether or not) it gets released. Everyone else involved is just trying to find something to do with their extra millions of dollars.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

JK Fresco posted:

Intellectual property molestation

They told me the IP was 20 years old!! i swear

JK Fresco
Jul 5, 2019

Novo posted:

Why would anyone feel bad about pirating movies? Everyone whose livelihood is working on them gets paid before (and whether or not) it gets released. Everyone else involved is just trying to find something to do with their extra millions of dollars.

Also Hollywood usually finds a way to cook the books so they don't actually technically "make" any money when calculating the payout anyway

That's one reason why there's no Mad Max sequel coming - the studio claims they "lost" money despite selling millions of tickets and making way more money than the film cost to make, and the creator is busy suing them instead of making great movies

stevewm
May 10, 2005
Steam got me to buy games again, instead of pirating. If there was a Steam for Movies/TV, without any stupid bullshit restrictions, where you actually owned what you bought, and reasonable prices (more than $10 for a digitally delivered movie laden with DRM is not reasonable to me) I would likely use it.

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

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careful, they'll sue you

Khorne
May 1, 2002

stevewm posted:

Steam got me to buy games again, instead of pirating. If there was a Steam for Movies/TV, without any stupid bullshit restrictions, where you actually owned what you bought, and reasonable prices (more than $10 for a digitally delivered movie laden with DRM is not reasonable to me) I would likely use it.
Yeah, this would be great for me too. And given they are charging for each thing it shouldn't be that hard to work out licensing with multiple studios.

Finding legitimate digital copies of many older movies and shows borders on impossible.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Aug 14, 2019

Resting Lich Face
Feb 21, 2019


This case of an intraperitoneal zucchini is unusual, and does raise questions as to how hard one has to push a blunt vegetable to perforate the rectum.

purple death ray posted:

Plus like apparently everyone in the entertainment industry is a pedo rapist so gently caress them

I mean if they're gonna rape someone they might as well be raping pedos...

Sauer
Sep 13, 2005

Socialize Everything!
Its about convenience. I buy games because Steam makes it very convenient. I don't buy streaming service subscriptions because I'd have to sub to a half dozen different networks to watch the poo poo I want when you can get it all in one convenient location if you know what I mean.

JK Fresco
Jul 5, 2019
Id rather pay for a vpn such as nord VPN

Tane
Feb 27, 2005

I downloaded porn on kazaa

Only 90s kids will jakk it to this

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It became so much easier to become a socialist. Everything is theft except actual theft, which is fine.

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011
Yeah I don't get the people trying to discourage or shame piracy by saying it's stealing. Stealing is cool as gently caress and doing it to big parasitic corporations run by pedos is one of the few things you can do on this earth that is unambiguously morally good.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


The reason piracy took off in the first place was because in a lot of instances it was way more convenient. Straight up. You could fire up your torrent tracker of choice and have your movie in minutes vs. driving to the video rental place and hoping they had what you wanted.

The reason piracy died off was because Netflix correctly understood that people cared about convenience more than anything else. You make a service that's more convenient than piracy and people will use it.

The reason piracy is coming back is because it's swinging back to being more convenient again.

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

A Russian troll farm posted:

You wouldn't download life-saving insulin

Funny you should mention that - some group is working on the equivalent of a 3D printer for drugs:

https://fourthievesvinegar.org/

https://gizmodo.com/a-diy-pharmaceutical-revolution-is-coming-if-it-doesn-t-1796865404

...though I doubt whatever they're doing would be able to handle proteins such as insulin any time soon.




Jestery posted:

I like piracy as a means to access content that is difficult to get

Is your video only available as a 20 dollar DVD on eBay?

Some of these movies I upload to YouTube for archiving purposes and the companies don't DMC it , so that's tacitly giving permission as far as I am concerned

gently caress you I'll just take the obscure torrent

Much of what I've downloaded over the years was (at least at the time I downloaded it) flat-out impossible to legitimately obtain anywhere at any price. You'd have to be a big-time corporate whore to have any moral objection to that.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
imo if something is impossible to obtain for any reason, pirating it is perfectly fine and should even be legal. Yes, it is still someone's intellectual property, but you have no way of giving the holders money and if you did manage to buy it secondhand they wouldn't get any of it anyway. For it to even be available for pirating, it had to have been owned by whoever the original uploader may have been at a time when it was available for purchase, so there isn't even any money lost down at the very beginning of the chain.

This is why I disagree with taking down emulation sites, because a lot of the games on them have been out of production for decades and there's no more money to be made on them. It's especially evident because people won't buy those games again anyway outside of extremely steep discounts- see the lackluster release of the SNES Classic, the PS1 Classic, and so on. The Sega classics catalog on Steam is a huge library and the games are only a couple bucks apiece, showing that there IS a way to bring these games back, but most companies would rather sit on their property and do nothing with it than let it live again, and it's very sad.

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