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cculos
Apr 8, 2005

GenericOverusedName posted:

This is a bit of an odd request, but I'm having trouble convincing my autistic brother that coral reefs are in fact made up of living animals, and not just weird-colored plants and rocks.

Does anybody have some cool videos of corals and whatnot doing their thing? I want to blow his mind :3:

E: Stuff like what cculos linked, that's awesome.

Glad you liked it! If you'd like I could probably post a feeding video at some point in the week. That entails turning off the pumps and filtration and target feeding with Reef Snow, so you can see all of the corals react to getting fed.

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Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
Has anybody in here check out the Jellyfish Art tank? Pretty neat stuff. I mean, I know that jellyfish tanks have been around for awhile, but this is the first one I've seen that isn't in the $1,000+. http://www.jellyfishart.com/ is the website for those that haven't seen it.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
It looks like the most horrible idea ever.

Russian Dollies
Jun 25, 2006

Basically... RUN.

So the bf and I were in PetSmart last night and happened upon a BioCube 14 on clearance for half price. Bought that and now I'm trying to figure out the best way to approach setting up a nano-reef for our bedroom. I have plenty of experience with freshwater, but none regarding saltwater.

I looked around the beginning a bit but was hoping to get any info from people who have this specific tank and any cheap mods I can do myself (or have the bf do). I don't have a lot of excess income atm, so I'm hoping to try and set it up with most of the basic components it came with and upgrade later when money isn't quite as tight. I was thinking I would grab a cheap skimmer, a ro/di water filter unit, a heater, and whatever else I need to get a cycle started. Is this possible or are my dreams of coral and clowns doomed?

cculos
Apr 8, 2005

Russian Dollies posted:

So the bf and I were in PetSmart last night and happened upon a BioCube 14 on clearance for half price. Bought that and now I'm trying to figure out the best way to approach setting up a nano-reef for our bedroom. I have plenty of experience with freshwater, but none regarding saltwater.

I looked around the beginning a bit but was hoping to get any info from people who have this specific tank and any cheap mods I can do myself (or have the bf do). I don't have a lot of excess income atm, so I'm hoping to try and set it up with most of the basic components it came with and upgrade later when money isn't quite as tight. I was thinking I would grab a cheap skimmer, a ro/di water filter unit, a heater, and whatever else I need to get a cycle started. Is this possible or are my dreams of coral and clowns doomed?

I have (love) the BC-14. Not running anything in it at the moment, as it's in slight disrepair as I replace the fans (a weak point in the hoods). For me, setting up a reef tank is all about those back chambers. This site is your best friend:

http://shop.mediabaskets.com/

That being said, you typically have to be pretty careful with water chemistry in smaller tanks. But thankfully, you wont need to change a whole lot of water.

Here's my purchase list to get everything running for a reef tank:

- Return Chamber (left hand side): Upgrade the pump and get a Hydor Flow (rotating return head, great for varying water flow)

- Center Chamber: Remove the Bio Balls and pick up a media basket. Get the 4-led chaeto light, and place it over the back chamber. Then in the center section of the media basket place some Chaeto. Filter floss on top, then Chemi Pure in the bottom.

- Intake Chamber (right hand side): Forego the filter cartridge for the Protein Skimmer they make for the tank specifically. The sales site says that you can't use the protein skimmer with the media basket, but that's a load. I got it to work just fine.

In-Tank: pick up a Koralia Nano powerhead. Awesome for moving some water around in that little tank.

Of course, this may be a little heavy on the modification side of things for just getting started, but the end result will be a much more stable reef environment. Note that none of this has to be done from the start, nor does it have to take place all at once. You can phase it in as you'd like to see how it goes.

Since you're new to the reefing hobby, I'd suggest going down to your LFS and picking out some live rock yourself. You'll probably pay a bit more per pound, but the wysiwyg nature of going to an LFS is well worth the extra price.

You shouldn't need more than 1lb per gallon of rock, and typical live rock can be between $5 - $7 / lb. So you've got all the rock you need for less than $75.

As for live sand; a lot of people go with the standard white / beige live sand. I prefer the black live sand if you can find it, but it's pretty hard to find. The reason I prefer it is that it makes corals stand out a bit more, and is less likely to collect algae. Don't go out of your way for it though. A 10lb bag should suffice.

If you've followed these instructions, you'll have spent:

Light: $60 (over priced but serves purpose really well
Media Basket: $45
Basket Contents: $15
Koralia Nano: +-$30
Hydor Evolution 1200: $22
Protein Skimmer: $15
Hydor Flow: $12
Live Rock: $50
Live Sand: $20
Marineland Stealth Heater: $20

All said and done you're in around $250 (give or take), and are ready to handle anything.

Once the live rock cycles, you'll have to pick up a clean up crew. Check this out:

http://reefcleaners.org/index.php?p...emart&Itemid=34

$18 and free shipping to the lower 48. Usually arrives in 1-2 days, it's a wonderful deal.

So you've got your filtration, cycling, clean up, water movement and natural filters taken care of.

You'll have moderate to high flow in the tank, and the PC lights that come with the tank will be able to handle almost anything (spare maybe clams or SPS corals like acropora).

Tank should cycle in a week or two, check your water quality to make sure it is. Safe bet for a first livestock purchase is Zoanthids and Mushrooms; drat near impossible to kill and add a lot of color.

Happy reefing! Hope this helped.

Here's how my BC-14 looked when it started:



And the last good picture I have of it before it got taken down and moved into the 40g:



That was about 6 months worth of time. A little inspiration for yah!

Russian Dollies
Jun 25, 2006

Basically... RUN.

That is an awesome looking reef! Thanks so much for the info. I should be getting my tax refund this week then I can see about implementing all that advice. If I can keep the price around what you quoted I'll be a happy camper. Thanks! :)

theres a will theres moe
Jan 10, 2007


Hair Elf

GenericOverusedName posted:

This is a bit of an odd request, but I'm having trouble convincing my autistic brother that coral reefs are in fact made up of living animals, and not just weird-colored plants and rocks.

Does anybody have some cool videos of corals and whatnot doing their thing? I want to blow his mind :3:

E: Stuff like what cculos linked, that's awesome.

Check this out, man http://www.youtube.com/user/CoralMorphologic

cculos
Apr 8, 2005

Russian Dollies posted:

That is an awesome looking reef! Thanks so much for the info. I should be getting my tax refund this week then I can see about implementing all that advice. If I can keep the price around what you quoted I'll be a happy camper. Thanks! :)

No problem!

For reference: 2 months after this shot was taken the corals moved into my 40g reef at the office. Six months from then, and here's what it looks like:



Note: the coral in the bottom left hand corner and the one in the top right hand corner existed in the nano tank I posted the shot of earlier. They've each drat near tripled in size since the nano picture was taken :)

another loser
Mar 25, 2001

Russian Dollies posted:

So the bf and I were in PetSmart last night and happened upon a BioCube 14 on clearance for half price. Bought that and now I'm trying to figure out the best way to approach setting up a nano-reef for our bedroom. I have plenty of experience with freshwater, but none regarding saltwater.

I looked around the beginning a bit but was hoping to get any info from people who have this specific tank and any cheap mods I can do myself (or have the bf do). I don't have a lot of excess income atm, so I'm hoping to try and set it up with most of the basic components it came with and upgrade later when money isn't quite as tight. I was thinking I would grab a cheap skimmer, a ro/di water filter unit, a heater, and whatever else I need to get a cycle started. Is this possible or are my dreams of coral and clowns doomed?

Best resource for small tanks: http://www.nano-reef.com/

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Russian Dollies posted:

So the bf and I were in PetSmart last night and happened upon a BioCube 14 on clearance for half price. Bought that and now I'm trying to figure out the best way to approach setting up a nano-reef for our bedroom. I have plenty of experience with freshwater, but none regarding saltwater.

I looked around the beginning a bit but was hoping to get any info from people who have this specific tank and any cheap mods I can do myself (or have the bf do). I don't have a lot of excess income atm, so I'm hoping to try and set it up with most of the basic components it came with and upgrade later when money isn't quite as tight. I was thinking I would grab a cheap skimmer, a ro/di water filter unit, a heater, and whatever else I need to get a cycle started. Is this possible or are my dreams of coral and clowns doomed?
just curious how much was it going for? I just checked the local petsmart and they only had stands in stock and not even the biocube itself on display.

edit: None of the Petsmarts around me have any of the 14g. I found it online at Petco for 199.99 with free shipping but it says it is a Corallife. Is there any difference between that and oceanic?

nwin fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Feb 20, 2012

Russian Dollies
Jun 25, 2006

Basically... RUN.

With tax it ran us about $120. I thought it was quite the find. :)

Edit: Oh, and I was mistaken. We actually got it in PetCo, not PetSmart. It is an Oceanic, and was the only one there. Maybe they're phasing them out of stock?

Russian Dollies fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Feb 21, 2012

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




another loser posted:

Best resource for small tanks: http://www.nano-reef.com/

More specifically: http://www.nano-reef.com/articles/

The sticky threads on their beginner's forum are pretty good too.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Speaking of nano tanks. Here is a picture of my work tank. We just upgraded it from a 5 LED PAR38 fixture to a 7 LED PAR38 fixture. Big improvement!

another loser
Mar 25, 2001

Internet Explorer posted:

Speaking of nano tanks. Here is a picture of my work tank. We just upgraded it from a 5 LED PAR38 fixture to a 7 LED PAR38 fixture. Big improvement!



Looks good, what size is it?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oh, sorry. Got distracted. It is about 12 gallons.

kaiger
Oct 21, 2003

Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
I did a 10-gallon water change last weekend on my 75-gallon tank and my toadstool leathers have been retracted ever since. The levels all test good and the only thing I changed was to raise the salinity from 1.021 to 1.024. Is this behavior normal, or should I be worried?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





kaiger posted:

I did a 10-gallon water change last weekend on my 75-gallon tank and my toadstool leathers have been retracted ever since. The levels all test good and the only thing I changed was to raise the salinity from 1.021 to 1.024. Is this behavior normal, or should I be worried?

I'm still new to all this buy I think that is a big salinity jump in one shot. I would have tried to adjust it from 1.021 to 1.024 over 1-2 water changes. Toadstool leathers are generally pretty hardy and are known for shriveling up for a few days if something changes or they are growing. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

optikalus
Apr 17, 2008
What was the salinity in the change water that caused 10 gallons to raise .003?

Edit: missed a decimal point, mundane detail and all that.

optikalus fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Feb 23, 2012

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



I have a new aquarium which I just a couple days ago added a couple half-inch yellow tip hermit crabs to. I think this was a big mistake, as they've basically been tiny nonstop lawnmowers on all my rock and now there is poop EVERYWHERE. Oh god, what do I do? I assume I need some snails to clean it up but will I need a cover to keep them from leaving the tank or will they refuse to go above the surface?

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta
If it's a new tank I'm guessing that it's diatoms.

kaiger
Oct 21, 2003

Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

optikalus posted:

What was the salinity in the change water that caused 10 gallons to raise .003?

Edit: missed a decimal point, mundane detail and all that.

I added additional salt directly to the sump to bring the level up. I've noticed the salinity will gradually decrease as salt crusts above and on the edges of the tank. Every month or so I'll try to get it back to 1.024ish. I'm guessing it'd be better to do so more frequently and therefore gradually.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Manslaughter posted:

I have a new aquarium which I just a couple days ago added a couple half-inch yellow tip hermit crabs to. I think this was a big mistake, as they've basically been tiny nonstop lawnmowers on all my rock and now there is poop EVERYWHERE. Oh god, what do I do? I assume I need some snails to clean it up but will I need a cover to keep them from leaving the tank or will they refuse to go above the surface?

You won't have to worry about them leaving the tank. When I had a tank my snails would go to the top and kind of hang out there for awhile then eventually go back down, but never fully emerge from the water. They prefer to stay wet.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

Crasscrab posted:

You won't have to worry about them leaving the tank. When I had a tank my snails would go to the top and kind of hang out there for awhile then eventually go back down, but never fully emerge from the water. They prefer to stay wet.

This works for most snails except nerites, who like to hang above the waterline just a little bit too much and can therefore end up falling off the other side.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




arioch posted:

This works for most snails except nerites, who like to hang above the waterline just a little bit too much and can therefore end up falling off the other side.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rs/index.php
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-06/rs/index.php <--Nerites are here!!!!
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-07/rs/index.php


Ronald L Shimek, PHD posted:

Some of the ones [Nerites] collected for sale in reef tanks are really intertidal marsh animals and have no business in a reef tank. I am not the only one who thinks so, by the way. The snails agree with me, and vote with their feet, moving out of the tank and into the wilds of the adjacent rooms. These animals will live in the tank, but seem to have a physiological need to move above the water line. At least in many cases, unlike some of the limpets, they also move back down to the water. Unfortunately, there is no good way for a hobbyist to determine if the animals offered for sale are intertidal or subtidal as the shells are quite similar.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
So, your best bet is to probably avoid Nerites. There are plenty of other species to choose from. When I had a tank (had a 12 g for roughly three years up until last year ), ceriths always worked the best for me. They're on the smaller side but quick movers.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
I actually have pretty much everything in snails--mini conchs (Euplica?), a couple chitons, little limpets, stomatella, mexican turbos and astraea in one tank (food for mantis, essentially), nerites, ceriths, dwarf ceriths, collonista, banded trochus, various annulus and moneta cowries, and an abalone. And then various species of nassarius snails as scavengers.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Feb 24, 2012

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Wow, I just found the craziest thing in our work tank. A baby longspine urchin that is pure black. We have had the tank up and running for about 6 months now and have not introduced any new rocks or small coral. He must have hitch-hiked on the original live rock. He was really small, maybe about the size of a penny. I didn't get a chance to take a picture of him, but he looked like a really small version of this.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=497+530+591&pcatid=591

Internet Explorer fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Feb 25, 2012

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice
The best thing about live rock--hitchhikers.

The worst thing about live rock--hitchhikers.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Thankfully, the only real problem I've had in either of my tanks is apitasia. I have been working on eliminating that with apitasia-X. It's a pain, but not nearly as bad as some hitchhikers people get.

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta
I saw a brittle star the other day. We haven't a added live rock in over a year.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Haha. My 12 gallon at work has probably about 50 micro brittle stars. My 90g at home has 0.

Anony Mouse
Jan 30, 2005

A name means nothing on the battlefield. After a week, no one has a name.
Lipstick Apathy
Brittle stars are good... right?

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

Anony Mouse posted:

Brittle stars are good... right?

Micros are good, big ones are generally good if you keep them well fed.

kaiger
Oct 21, 2003

Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
So I came home today and found my clown fish on the floor a couple of feet from the tank. There was a small puddle around her and she was still wet, so I threw her in the tank to see if she was still alive. She started twitching and slowly coming back, but the crabs were way too interested, so I threw her in the sump. She seems to be recovering slowly, but is there anything else I could/should do?

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

Russian Dollies posted:

With tax it ran us about $120. I thought it was quite the find. :)

Edit: Oh, and I was mistaken. We actually got it in PetCo, not PetSmart. It is an Oceanic, and was the only one there. Maybe they're phasing them out of stock?

Called the local Petcos the other day and no one seemed to have them. Decided to look on my own and found one at the first PetCo I went to, 119.99 plus tax, last one on the shelf. I'm happy!

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

cculos posted:



http://shop.mediabaskets.com/


If you've followed these instructions, you'll have spent:

Light: $60 (over priced but serves purpose really well
Media Basket: $45
Basket Contents: $15
Koralia Nano: +-$30
Hydor Evolution 1200: $22
Protein Skimmer: $15
Hydor Flow: $12
Live Rock: $50
Live Sand: $20
Marineland Stealth Heater: $20

All said and done you're in around $250 (give or take), and are ready to handle anything.



Is the light you're talking about JBJ Nano-Glo Led Fuge Light from the website listed? Also, for the Koralia, do you think the 425gph or 240gph is the one to go with? Finally, could you provide a link to the protein skimmer? None that I'm seeing come close to $15.

Thanks!

cculos
Apr 8, 2005

nwin posted:

Is the light you're talking about JBJ Nano-Glo Led Fuge Light from the website listed? Also, for the Koralia, do you think the 425gph or 240gph is the one to go with? Finally, could you provide a link to the protein skimmer? None that I'm seeing come close to $15.

Thanks!


The light is the 4LED nano fuge light, correct.

The Koralia I went with is 240gph. 425 is quite a bit for that small of a tank.

Sorry about the $15, it's $30 on amazon for the protein skimmer:

http://www.amazon.com/Oceanic-82053-BioCube-Protein-Skimmer/dp/B0015GIPDW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330223886&sr=8-1

Hope this helps!

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

So I think for starting out, since it's such a small aquarium, I'm just going to go with distilled water. After the live rock and the sand, I probably won't need any more than 10 gallons of it anyways. From all the research I've done online, it seems people can't make up their mind between RO water or Distilled water, although having both is the most preferred. I would like to just be able to go to the store and fill up 2 5 gallon jugs with what I need. Time for a stupid question, will I want Instant Ocean or Reef Crystals to mix with this, or Red Sea Coral Pro Set? I'm just getting my grocery list ready of stuff I'll be buying and want to make sure I get everything right. I'm definitely looking for a setup very similar to cculos'.

I'm not too sold on the protein skimmer yet though. Most things I've read online seem like it's a waste and you're constantly replacing the air stone every month for not much reward. I figure I'll skip on that for now and can always add it later if need be. Should I just stick with the normal cat ridge filter in there for now or do something else (I'm going to be following all your other steps with the media basket, etc.).

Also, what size heater would be recommended for this? I have an old 50W from my 29g freshwater that I would think to be more than adequate, but if it's too much, better to find out now before I start getting into it.

Finally, for stocking questions. The wife is insistent on a clown fish, which I'm cool with, We want to get a peppermint shrimp, and then I was thinking maybe a yellow watchman goby or something similar? Ideas? I'd love to get a pistol shrimp with the goby, but I don't think that will work out too well. Am I wrong?

Still have lots of questions, which is why the tank is still without water on the stand. I want to make sure I do everything right, because I've rushed into freshwater before and I know it doesn't have a great likelihood of turning out well.

nwin fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 26, 2012

Russian Dollies
Jun 25, 2006

Basically... RUN.

I found myself in a very lucky situation in that I have two really great LFS in the midst of Colorado. I was really worried I'd have to go online and have a bit of a crap shoot as far as stock goes, but the stock at one place is amazing for fish and coral (seriously the whole setup was just mind blowing), and the other is great because they cater towards the smaller tanks. Just picked up a beautiful 11lb piece of Figi live rock and I'm super impatient for some of the cloudiness in the tank to go down so I can get some decent pictures.

Regarding the Biocube skimmer, I've been playing with it for the past few days and I think I've figured out the adjustment on it, though can't say how good or bad it is yet since I don't have any skimmate yet. I did, however, switch out the air pump as the one it came with seemed kinda flimsy and rattled like crazy. I've also considered cutting that little tab between chambers 1 and 2 down a bit since the lid gets caught on the collection chamber if it isn't placed just right.

I decided to wait a bit on the media basket until I have more of a bio load in the tank. My goal is to keep it pretty small anyway, so gonna wait and see if I need something like that once I have more going on.

Now for opinions: When I was purchasing my live rock today the owner gave me a free sample of something called StartSmart Complete. The bottle claims that it cycles a tank in 24 hours. He fully admitted he had never used it, but that some of his customers said that they'd had good results with it. I'm in no hurry to cycle by any means, but I'm curious if any one else had used the stuff or had an opinion on it.

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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice



2nd clutch. I think they're still laying.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Feb 27, 2012

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