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I appreciated that Chapell spelled out the problem with Azami's idea in this very chapter.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The basic premise of this setting is that food battles improve cooking skill. Azami's 1000 year food reich fundamentally rejects this idea. Any new members of the elite 10 won't have gotten there via shokugekis, they will probably just be chosen because of their preexisting skill sets which means their talents and experience won't progress as much. I'm pretty sure this is the exact point the comic is trying to make. This system he's suggesting is an absurdly bad idea, especially when you consider the rules and theme's of this story.
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Alacron posted:So, is this gonna end with Azami getting replaced? Or is there going to be a redemption arc where he Either grandpa comes back, Alice's dad shows up or Doujima gets his chance to shine! I prefer these options in reverse order.
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Oct 18, 2015 08:05
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Serious Frolicking posted:Yes, but none of them would have any experience in developing their own dishes and techniques. So, since anyone on the new elite 10 would have to enroll in tootsuki fully trained exactly what is the point of the school? It is actually counterproductive for Azami's goal, since that would result in vast numbers of mediocre graduates and both fewer and less skilled elites. He doesn't want to develop new dishes and techniques he wants to spread a bland static elite brand of cooking and basically stagnate all progress. Also im sure he believes greatness is born not achieved.
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Oct 18, 2015 08:12
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Angry Grimace posted:Either grandpa comes back, Alice's dad shows up or Doujima gets his chance to shine!
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Oct 18, 2015 08:22
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I think the cries of "This plan is stupid as this is gonna kill Totsuki" are largely irrelevant because this whole thing, hell Azami's entire character, is about using anything that he gets his mitts on to further his own ends. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if his endgame was to largely leave Totsuki an automated AzSoc (  ) Indoctrinated Chef Factory, leave it to do (maybe completely break Erina to the point of acting as puppet priest of the new order) and to pull this off on a larger scale.
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Oct 18, 2015 09:07
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Angry Grimace posted:Either grandpa comes back, Alice's dad shows up or Doujima gets his chance to shine! You read my mind.  
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Oct 18, 2015 09:45
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Davincie posted:What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our cuisine and our chefs, the sustenance of our dishes and the purity of our food, the freedom and independence of Tootstuki, so that our people may mature for the fulfilment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility
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Oct 18, 2015 14:58
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Serious Frolicking posted:The basic premise of this setting is that food battles improve cooking skill. Azami's 1000 year food reich fundamentally rejects this idea. Any new members of the elite 10 won't have gotten there via shokugekis, they will probably just be chosen because of their preexisting skill sets which means their talents and experience won't progress as much. In context of this manga I would imagine that revelation would cause everyones clothes to explode off of their bodies and they would spontaneously orgasm.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:02
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Angry Grimace posted:Either grandpa comes back, Alice's dad shows up or Doujima gets his chance to shine! The Naked Muscle Legacy.
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While Azami's system is definitely terrible in the long run, it's going to have a lot of short-term appeal to a large percentage of the current students who worry about failing. What's going to be more interesting is how he convinced the Elite 10, unless he guaranteed that they would be members of central.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:08
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Paracelsus posted:While Azami's system is definitely terrible in the long run, it's going to have a lot of short-term appeal to a large percentage of the current students who worry about failing. What's going to be more interesting is how he convinced the Elite 10, unless he guaranteed that they would be members of central. Isn't an Elite spot something that can be contested via Shokugeki? You figure under this system that's done with. Wark Say posted:The Naked Muscle Legacy.  Ul-tuh-mit, Muscle! Ul-tuh-mit, Muscle!
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ConanThe3rd posted:Isn't an Elite spot something that can be contested via Shokugeki? You figure under this system that's done with.
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He already said that the elite 10 is forming the base of central right?
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Azami made a good point about his school system being a more stable path to success. The school had a crazy failure rate under the old system, so while all it did was turn out great chefs with original ideas it also left a huge portion of the student body in the dust. I think after Azami is ousted or reformed we'll see things change a bit with less strict requirements/grading and a higher estimated graduation rate. Basically, you'd make a space for the chefs who don't have elite skills, but are still willing to put in the time to learn how to cook dishes that the top students have developed. The one downside of leniency is that it hurts the reputation of the school slightly since it's no longer a complete hell to get a diploma, but since in this setting the school is the god-tier super elite cooking academy in all the world it can afford to take a mild hit like that.
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I'm not put on the impression that Students that flunk out of Totsuki are 100% out on their rear end if they drop out. They're still the worst of the best.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:52
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BlitzBlast posted:Early on it was mentioned that even being in Tootsuki at all was good for your resume, so it still works out even for people who fell behind. Yeah, but it still means that the expelled people learn a lot less (for basically no reason). The only benefit I can imagine to all the expulsions is that it might make the students take everything more seriously. But in reality extreme punishment is not actually a good way to teach and motivate people. Normally I'd ignore the expulsion plot point, since originally it was just meant as a way to show that the school was hardcore and give high stakes for Soma's conflicts, but since the manga itself is now bringing up the effectiveness/morality of the expulsions it's worth mentioning. While Azami's plan is obviously terrible, the reason it's terrible is that it mandates that no one other than the elite 10 can create their own food and eliminates all clubs/organizations. Ideally, instead of just returning things to how they were before, they'll end up with a better system than either the starting one or Azami's.
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Oct 19, 2015 18:17
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ConanThe3rd posted:I'm not put on the impression that Students that flunk out of Totsuki are 100% out on their rear end if they drop out. They're still the worst of the best. Well, Jouichirou is doing a good job proving your point.
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Oct 19, 2015 18:19
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Most of the kids that flunk out of the High School section come from the Middle School section, which means they have a complete education in all subjects relevant to the food industry. They might not have the chops to be the best of the best, but they're still highly employable. Plus, despite the stated failure rate, so far most expulsions have been under strict but not bullshit criteria, except for Shinomiya and that kid who hosed up with the shampoo. If the kid fails the stagiare, then it's pretty clear they don't have the ability needed at the highest levels. Same with the 100 serving challenge. Plus, even 'middling' appears to be enough to pull through at least first year, remember what Isshiki talked about during the tournament finals. Kyte fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Oct 19, 2015 18:20
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Once upon a time having at least some college attendance was a major feather in your cap, even if you didn't graduate.
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Oct 19, 2015 18:24
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Tell me a story about how easy it was to get a job back in the 70's and 80's, grandpa!
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Oct 19, 2015 18:33
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The end of this arc is basically gonna be Caesar's speech about Hegelian Dialectics in Fallout:New Vegas.
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Oct 19, 2015 18:36
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Kyte posted:Most of the kids that flunk out of the High School section come from the Middle School section, which means they have a complete education in all subjects relevant to the food industry. They might not have the chops to be the best of the best, but they're still highly employable. In the context of this manga (where it's basically just stated as a fact that the kids expelled didn't have what it takes), yeah, but in reality it would still be a terrible idea to expel people based upon a single test/event. Failure is a big part of learning and there are countless reasons why someone might perform poorly on one of the "get expelled if you're not up to par" events, yet still have the potential to become a great chef.
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Oct 19, 2015 18:45
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Souma's dad didn't graduate and he seems to be doing fine.
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The question is, is tootsuki a place meant to teach kids to become professional chefs or is it just a great big wankfest meant to pad resumes? I'm not really sure if the manga has answered this.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The question is, is tootsuki a place meant to teach kids to become professional chefs or is it just a great big wankfest meant to pad resumes? I'm not really sure if the manga has answered this. A little from column A, a little from column B.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The question is, is tootsuki a place meant to teach kids to become professional chefs or is it just a great big wankfest meant to pad resumes? I'm not really sure if the manga has answered this. It's the former but many of the students see it as the latter, but it is these students that are more likely to flunk out anyway.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The question is, is tootsuki a place meant to teach kids to become professional chefs or is it just a great big wankfest meant to pad resumes? I'm not really sure if the manga has answered this. They've brought up that you don't actually need to graduate to become a working chef. Then again, they also retconned how much of a superstar you are when you graduate when Shinomiya was shown taking a menial job as a line chef after graduating in the No. 1 spot.
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Angry Grimace posted:They've brought up that you don't actually need to graduate to become a working chef. Then again, they also retconned how much of a superstar you are when you graduate when Shinomiya was shown taking a menial job as a line chef after graduating in the No. 1 spot. Just because you graduate valedictorian doesn't mean you're going to have the capital to start your own business. But drat you'd think the dude would have investors lined up around the block at least. what are the odds of a No.1 grad from tootsuki being such a huge rear end in a top hat that no one wants to give them money to start a business, I wonder?
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Well, Shinomiya opened a french restaurant in paris after learning to cook french food at a japanese high school. That he succeeded at all is supposed to be amazing.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Well, Shinomiya opened a french restaurant in paris after learning to cook french food at a japanese high school. That he succeeded at all is supposed to be amazing. Also, we don't really know what Tootsuki's reputation was back then. It might have been regarded as one of the best schools in Japan instead of THE school for pro chefs in Japan. Also, I'm rereading from the point where the Elite Ten are all introduced, and I think I'm starting to see why Eishi Tsukasa (AKA the current First Seat) would vote for Azami to replace Senzaemon as the new director. He probably just wants less responsibility upon his shoulders (and thus less things he feels he needs to have control over).
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Elfgames posted:Souma's dad didn't graduate and he seems to be doing fine. I don't remember this, when did the manga mention it?
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blizzardvizard posted:I don't remember this, when did the manga mention it? It was after their little battle in the dorm I think
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I honestly would've prefered if the side-story manga was focused on Hinako just to see if there were other people besides Shinomiya that bear-clawed her due to her getting all up in their grill. Failing that, a comic about a younger Jouichiro and how he lived out his "stray-dog" days. I honestly just want to read cooking papa but with Saeki's drawing style.
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Angry Grimace posted:They've brought up that you don't actually need to graduate to become a working chef. Then again, they also retconned how much of a superstar you are when you graduate when Shinomiya was shown taking a menial job as a line chef after graduating in the No. 1 spot. Yeah he's fighting racism.
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So if what I'm hearing from the grape vine regarding 140 is true (Shoukugeki's are basically kangaroo courts in Central's Pocket) this has gotten  to the n'th degree.
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gwrtheyrn posted:It was after their little battle in the dorm I think Didn't they just mention that his dad was the second seat or did I completely misread that and it was someone else?
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ConanThe3rd posted:So if what I'm hearing from the grape vine regarding 140 is true (Shoukugeki's are basically kangaroo courts in Central's Pocket) this has gotten For some reason the chapter has been out for 2 days in Portuguese. I don't even know.
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Angry Grimace posted:For some reason the chapter has been out for 2 days in Portuguese. I don't even know. Just accept that other languages are more likely to translate the manga chapters before English does.
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asur posted:Didn't they just mention that his dad was the second seat or did I completely misread that and it was someone else? He was the second seat, but he dropped out before graduating for whatever reason.
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