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 In Galicia the largest city is "La Coruna." In Spanish "la" means "the" but in Portuguese/Gallego it would be "a," which is feminine and "o" being masculine. "as" or "os" being the plural forms. In this city if you see a sign that says "La Coruna" there's a good chance the L would be spraypainted over or crossed out. They really like to preserve their history and are proud of it. They have a news channel in Gallego and any historical plaque throughout the city will have a side-by-side version in Spanish and one in Gallego. Everyone learns Gallego in school. I believe this is the only region of Spain where the local dialect is on their version of the SATs, making it much harder. Anyways that lighthouse (tower of Hercules) pictured above is in A Coruna and is the oldest active Roman lighthouse in the world. It's highly misleading though. What you see is a mock up of what it once looked like. When you visit to get to the top you walk through an underground sort of passage which is where the original rubble/foundation of the lighthouse is. Those lines going up the side pay tribute to the supposed wooden planking/flooring that spiraled up the lighthouse on the outside, which is how the Romans wheeled wood to the top  The ruins of the original foundation. Again, highly overstated. When you hear the Roman bit you gander and think "wow that's a Roman structure still in use, amazing!" Also in one of the suburbs they have this for some loving reason 
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Pretty cool they reconstructed it though. Also I think there's still some Roman aqueducts still standing (though not in use afaik), which is pretty impressive. I heard somewhere that Roman cement or mortar has been surprisingly effective at withstanding the test of time. Apparently they only recently discovered that it was because they put volcanic ash in it (it had been an archeological riddle that it was so excellent). Apparently that made it more able to weather the weather, as it were. Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 01:59 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 01:56
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Snapchat A Titty posted:Pretty cool they reconstructed it though. Roman sewers are still heavily used and I know they use Roman bridge foundations a lot. They built good poo poo Here's a 2000 year old Roman bridge 
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Oct 2, 2016 02:00
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:Roman sewers are still heavily used and I know they use Roman bridge foundations a lot. They built good poo poo Is that just cleaned up or? I mean the foundations look like they're old, but the top stuff lookes kinda newish.
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Sorry yeah they just use the base foundation a lot from the old Roman bridges, so the lower bit of the pillars. The rest is new
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Snapchat A Titty posted:Is that just cleaned up or? I mean the foundations look like they're old, but the top stuff lookes kinda newish. The Romans were way ahead of their time in street light technology.
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:Sorry yeah they just use the base foundation a lot from the old Roman bridges, so the lower bit of the pillars. The rest is new Still cool though, that they're solid after 2 millennia.
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:A lot of people don't know Portugal has two chains of islands, Madeira and Azores. Ronaldo is from the latter. I want to say Madeira is two-three islands and Azores is 10+. They're not very popular as tourist destinations because they're very expensive to visit and you might as well go elsewhere. Mainland Portuguese that have family there receive discounted airfare Thanks for the infordump on Portugal and related history. Just a little nitpick, Madeira is a fairly popular tourist destination for Europeans. While I've never been there I know plenty of not particularly well traveled people who've been there  So I contribute some content, there is a fun Portugese word "Desenrascanco" meaning to slap together a solution to a problem at the last minute, i.e. MacGyver the poo poo out of everything which I like to think is how they built their empire.
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The Portugese ran a massive slave trade network during the 16th century. It was big enough that Toyotomi Hideyoshi got really mad about Japanese people being sold to slavers.
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:A lot of people don't know Portugal has two chains of islands, Madeira and Azores. Ronaldo is from the latter. I want to say Madeira is two-three islands and Azores is 10+. They're not very popular as tourist destinations because they're very expensive to visit and you might as well go elsewhere. Mainland Portuguese that have family there receive discounted airfare Great write-up but may I add two corrections: Ronaldo is from Madeira and the dictatorship ended in 1974, which is an interesting topic of itself when it ended in a bloodless military coup, in the so called carnation revolution.
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Oct 2, 2016 11:04
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:
It's not a popular movie but I thoroughly enjoyed Night Train to Lisbon which drew my attention to the high drama that is Portugal's modern history. Plus Jeremy Irons is always magnificent.
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Oct 2, 2016 11:31
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Snapchat A Titty posted:Pretty cool they reconstructed it though. There's a standing Roman aqueduct in Segovia, Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueduct_of_Segovia They take pretty good care of it. It brought the city water until well into the 19th C.
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Falukorv posted:the dictatorship ended in 1974, which is an interesting topic of itself when it ended in a bloodless military coup, in the so called carnation revolution. Yeah, this is something I find very fascinating. There can't be a lot of instances where the military enacted a coup to reinstate democracy. One of Turkey's many coups maybe? Khazar-khum posted:There's a standing Roman aqueduct in Segovia, Spain. There's also The Pont du Gard in France, which I have visited. It's pretty frickin' big, nearly 50 m high.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:I've always been morbidly fascinated by the earthquake & tsunami that pretty much destroyed Lisbon on all saints' day 1755.  )Marquês de Pombal led the recovery and reconstruction of Lisbon, pulling all resources necessary to clean up the debris, assist survivors, crack down on looters, and ensure order was restored as quickly as possible. However, instead of just picking up the pieces and rebuilding as it was, Lisbon was completely redesigned and rebuilt from scratch. With the assistance of various engineers and architects, Pombal reimagined Lisbon with a very modern design for the time (highlighted in yellow), named "Pombaline" in his honor. Roads and streets were widened and straightened, ensuring efficient traffic flow. Buildings were all standardized with uniform dimensions and designs, and included the first instances of fire-proofing and earthquake-proofing. Modern amenities like sewer systems were also put in place. A great deal of work and research went into ensuring this disaster wouldn't repeat itself, leading to the first appearance of "seismology" as a field. The reconstruction was a massive project that took decades, but was carried out to the letter with no room for deviation and errors. This design still stands to this very day and is one of the factors leading to Central Lisbon's very iconic and unique look, for example Praça do Comércio and Rua Augusta. If you're an architecture nerd you might enjoy all the blueprints as well. SupSuper has a new favorite as of 14:29 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Frederik the Seventh of Denmark was at one point "appointed" Governor of the island of Fyn, and by appointed, I mean exiled to the country-side, so he couldn't get involved in that many scandals. Less whores and wines to go around, you see. While Governor, he would often wander around the City of Odense, and whenever he caught the smell of pancakes, he'd track it down, and invite himself to Dinner, and you couldn't really say no to the Crown Prince. There's a statue of him in front of Odense Castle today, and he's basically a big fat jolly fellow. Later, when he was crowned king, he was approached by a delegation from one of the old Assemblies, asking for a formal Constitution and end to Absolutism, and he agreed on the spot, bewildering the delegates. The legend goes, that as the delegates left the king, thanking him profoundly, he turned to his wife and said: "Perhaps now I can stay in bed in the morning". Welcome to Denmark, we got a Constitution, because our king was a big fat lazy fellow.
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Denmark sounds awesome. Pancakes for dinner?! Sign me up!
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Speaking of tsunamis and destruction, I only learned about the Lituya Bay megatsunamis the other day. Crazy poo poo. Sure, they're a quirk of local geography, but still!
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Siivola posted:The Portugese ran a massive slave trade network during the 16th century. It was big enough that Toyotomi Hideyoshi got really mad about Japanese people being sold to slavers. iirc Portuguese were the first Westerners to reach Japan and gave the Japanese their word for bread, in Portuguese it's "pão." uh I guess a lot of Japanese words have Portuguese origins http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/portuguese.html Captain Scandinaiva posted:Yeah, this is something I find very fascinating. There can't be a lot of instances where the military enacted a coup to reinstate democracy. One of Turkey's many coups maybe? Yeah I forgot the officers collaborated a large (successful and justified) coup Portugal also has one of the oldest universities in the world, Coimbra. I want to say it's the oldest in (mainland?) Western Europe. Established in 1290 Another funny thing I found about Portugal is every college has their own "uniform" and they wear it with pride. You'll find Uni students out in town with their uniforms getting smashed. I think it may be the only place in Europe that does it and goes back to Coimbra.   Outside of Coimbra is a Roman settlement I visited called Conimbriga. It's one of the largest and most well kept Roman settlements outside of Italy.  There's an old water fountain they made to work again  I don't want to take over this thread but again I can go on forever about this stuff. I have a ton of pictures from my travels. (It's a small country, easy to see most of it) There's also this: 
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Would you guys be down for a Portuguese history focused thread? Doesn't have to be specifically Portugal but anything related (Brazil, rest of Europe, the colonies, etc etc) if so what subforum? I'm by no means an expert in this field but it's a bit of a hobby and I'd love to hear input from others and especially actual Portuguese
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 A/T would be a good fit.
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:Portugal also has one of the oldest universities in the world, Coimbra. I want to say it's the oldest in (mainland?) Western Europe. Established in 1290
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Everyone knows about the bone church outside of Prague but did you know there's one in Evora, Portugal?   The verbatim translation "“We bones that here are, for yours await""  Oh hey here's a cool Roman temple there that was later used for executions   Portuguese Venice (Aveiro) Europeans just love playing with water
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:There's also this: I wonder why cryogenics cough on, but no one bothered just pickling their head to be revived by future science? Seems like the more affordable option. This serial killer head is an episode of Star Trek waiting to happen.
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Since you mention Évora and Conimbriga, Mérida has the most impressive roman ruins and collections in the whole of Iberia. It's in Spain, but not far from the Portuguese border, one and a half hour drive from Évora. Even closer to the world heritage border town of Elvas with it's star forts. More on-topic, that colorful boat in Aveiro is a moliçeiro, so called because they were used to pick up and transport moliço, aka seaweed, to be used as fertilizer. The paint job that goes into them is somewhat of a traditional art form. Often with some innuendo humor nowadays, as can be seen on the fore of the boat pictured. Originally they had a sail, but the one in the picture has the sail post removed, otherwise it wouldn't fit under the bridges inside the canals of Aveiro. Used for tourist rides/tours around the city nowadays. Like Viking longboats they have a very shallow draft. But that's were the similarities end, they're not at all as seaworthy, nor are they supposed to be, they sailed in coastal lagoons and rivers. Edit: Here are some examples  Standard stuff, one has Saint Anthony and the other the greatest Portuguese fado singer.  And a dirty one, the text translates more or less to "What a precious cockle!". Cockle in Portuguese can also be used as slang for vagina. Also it rhymes. Falukorv has a new favorite as of 01:55 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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David Adams made a bunch of cool documenteries about various countries and their history http://davidadamsfilms.com.au/ He was in Afganistan shortly before they blew up their Buddhas.
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:iirc Portuguese were the first Westerners to reach Japan and gave the Japanese their word for bread, in Portuguese it's "pão." It didn't just go one direction either. I'm sure we all know the word for "thank you" in Spanish is "gracias", which has roots in Latin like all the Romantic languages do. However the Portuguese use the word "obrigado", pronounced "oo-bree-gah-doh". From what I was taught it is most likely adopted from the Japanese word "arigato", as in domo arigato, or "thank you".
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Chichevache posted:It didn't just go one direction either. I'm sure we all know the word for "thank you" in Spanish is "gracias", which has roots in Latin like all the Romantic languages do. However the Portuguese use the word "obrigado", pronounced "oo-bree-gah-doh". From what I was taught it is most likely adopted from the Japanese word "arigato", as in domo arigato, or "thank you". I'm pretty sure obrigado also comes from the latin "obligatus" (obliged). I was taught the precise opposite, that "arigato" came from "obrigado", but it seems that the word "arigato" was in use long before the Portuguese ever had contact with the Japanese. Most of what I've read since says it's a coincidence.
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mediocre dad okay posted:I'm pretty sure obrigado also comes from the latin "obligatus" (obliged). I was taught the precise opposite, that "arigato" came from "obrigado", but it seems that the word "arigato" was in use long before the Portuguese ever had contact with the Japanese. Most of what I've read since says it's a coincidence. Then my Portuguese teachers, as I have always suspected, were pretty dumb and wrong. Arigato, professora Amado!
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During the Napoleonic Wars in Spain the soldiers of Portugal fought in the same as British soldiers under General William Beresford. Half of the soldiers were basically just Militia from the old army which had to be rebuilt from the ground up but they fought just as bravely and weathered the campaigns as well as their British and Spanish allies in some of the key battles of that campaign in Portugal and at the Spanish border. Their marines had a shako which inspired the British Army to adopt the Belgic style shako which was worn in the latter part of the conflict. Soldiers of Portugal also fought in the 1st World War.
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Britain and Portugal have the longest lasting peace treaty in the world. It's lasted through Protugal becoming part of Spain too!
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Ok yeah I'll probably just make an a/t thread I love this stuff Didn't Portugal aid both the allies and nazis during WW2? or was that Spain, or both
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The Lisbon Earthquake destroyed the royal archives, which might have had evidence that the Portuguese had found Brasil first, and why they wanted to move the line of the Treaty of Tordesillas to west.Nostalgia4Dicks posted:Ok yeah I'll probably just make an a/t thread I love this stuff imo, you should use this and the milhist threads instead
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Falukorv posted:Like Viking longboats they have a very shallow draft. But that's were the similarities end, they're not at all as seaworthy, nor are they supposed to be, they sailed in coastal lagoons and rivers. The viking longships were also coastal and riverine vessels, and not very safe on open sea. They used knarr-type ships for sea travel.
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they built a lot of poo poo in ww2 including about 50,000 shermans most of them ended up in second rate armies and third world dictatorships like the rest of the left over arms* some of them got turned into heavy duty forestry machinery  * although I don't think any insurgencies got their hands on them, unlike eg all the k98s and mp40s that ended up with the viet cong
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:Everyone learns Gallego in school. I believe this is the only region of Spain where the local dialect is on their version of the SATs, making it much harder. In Catalonia and the Basque Country, the local language is also on their university entrance exams.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmlYe2KS0-Y Well then
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Spermando posted:In Catalonia and the Basque Country, the local language is also on their university entrance exams. And are basically required to get any kind of government/public services job.
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Here are my older pics from the Roman settlement in Lisbon. I believe after the 1755 earthquake/tsunmai they found it while rebuilding and some dude bought it apparently. It hasn't been an exhibit for long. They had a clear flooring so you could see it below then they do tours underneath. I want to say it was free, too. It's just a regular building. walking by you'd have no idea. The settlement was along a river that went through Lisbon long ago.    Apparently where they processed/handled fish    Found those bones and just decided to leave them.   I can't remember if this was from there or Conimbriga. I have a bunch of pictures of that place too which is well preserved.
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So I had the opportunity to visit Slovenia with some friends who were born and raised there who helped show me around the country. One point in particular that stood out to me was just how ingrained in the country Napoleon was. This is a bridge his armies built across the Soča river in order to complete their march on Vienna. As my friend's brother said it, "Slovenia is the only country other than France to like Napoleon, since he let the Slovenian's do their own thing and speak their own language when he rolled through." Also the picture doesn't do the river justice. The color is even more vibrant in person. We also passed through the Isonzo valley, where the front between the Italians and Austo-Hungary was in WWI stagnated. Below is a picture of a bunker from the (I think) Italian side of the front.  Slovenia is basically Italian wine, German food, and Slav black humor all in one package. 
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