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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Even Gul Dukat let people call their families

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1146752328709656577?s=19

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Oh wow, no way, that's so shocking

Edit:

quote:

The document, which seemed to describe events that took place during the 1948 war, began:


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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

I guess this is a good time to recommend Joe Sacco's Footnotes in Gaza, which reconstructs a forgotten massacre in Khan Younis during the Suez Crisis.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/MairavZ/status/1146114341701210112?s=19

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

wah wah waaaaaah?!??! ethnic cleansing involves violence?!

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




ethiopian jews protesting cops killing them for no reason again

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
It's a real fuckin' shame we ain't got any way to communicate in real time with people with whom we want to communicate without the fash monitoring it 25/8.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tubgoat posted:

It's a real fuckin' shame we ain't got any way to communicate in real time with people with whom we want to communicate without the fash monitoring it 25/8.

Good news, I hear they're moving to 14/8.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
I mean, if we could figure out which 10 hours a day they're not monitoring us, it would hardly matter that it's 8 days a week.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I hope they are monitoring my posts; maybe they will learn something

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/MuhammadSmiry/status/1153389190652018688?s=20

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Real hurthling! posted:

ethiopian jews protesting cops killing them for no reason again

this wouldn't be an issue if the PC police didn't stop Israel from giving them contraceptive injections without consent

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/1155409109526728704?s=19

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!


friendship with trump ended

putin is new best friend

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

at least they dont have to do as much photoshop to make bibi almost as tall as Putin

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1156315522239205376?s=19

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Can't say I really have any strong opinions on this. Assad is awful, ISIS is awful, the Netanyahu government is awful. One of them wants to big themselves up over the others? Yeah, sure, go for it, you do you.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Darth Walrus posted:

Can't say I really have any strong opinions on this. Assad is awful, ISIS is awful, the Netanyahu government is awful. One of them wants to big themselves up over the others? Yeah, sure, go for it, you do you.

Agreed, there is nothing wrong about "the only democracy in the Middle East" running PR for ISIS.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

Agreed, there is nothing wrong about "the only democracy in the Middle East" running PR for ISIS.

It is a genuine toss-up who's worse between them and Assad, though. About the best you can say for Assad is that he commits his atrocities behind closed doors rather than streaming them on YouTube, even if his Shia militias are often a tad less decorous.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

honestly, netanyahu is better than assad and ISIS

the faintest possible praise

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Darth Walrus posted:

It is a genuine toss-up who's worse between them and Assad, though. About the best you can say for Assad is that he commits his atrocities behind closed doors rather than streaming them on YouTube, even if his Shia militias are often a tad less decorous.


V. Illych L. posted:

honestly, netanyahu is better than assad and ISIS

the faintest possible praise

you both deserve to be Rachel Corrie'd

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

who can say which is worse, the oppressive Arab republic embroiled in a civil war with right wing religious psychopaths, or the European settler state that is doing a genocide in slow motion?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

*ISIS tries to do a genocide by killing all Yazidi males and making the women their sex slaves*

Me, a smart intellectual: hard to say if this is worse than the status quo

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




israel supports america so its worse

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Darth Walrus posted:

It is a genuine toss-up who's worse between them and Assad, though. About the best you can say for Assad is that he commits his atrocities behind closed doors rather than streaming them on YouTube, even if his Shia militias are often a tad less decorous.

the problem is that one of them is beloved by the Western media, which faithfully repeats each and every one of their racist screeds and claims as if they were verified and unquestionable facts

that one using their Western media platform to shill for other horrible groups is bad

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

*ISIS tries to do a genocide by killing all Yazidi males and making the women their sex slaves*

Me, a smart intellectual: hard to say if this is worse than the status quo

Assad's been responsible for approximately fifteen times as many civilian casualties as ISIS, according to the Amnesty International-endorsed Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. The status quo is also genocide, just for a different ethnic group and with rather more sophisticated weaponry.

drjuggalo
Jul 26, 2014
Assad’s also been president for almost 20 years. ISIS would have caught up and surpassed the genocide toll within 3 years if they won

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

drjuggalo posted:

Assad’s also been president for almost 20 years. ISIS would have caught up and surpassed the genocide toll within 3 years if they won

Those are the stats for the ongoing Syrian Civil War, not for Assad's entire time in office.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)



Darth Walrus posted:

Those are the stats for the ongoing Syrian Civil War, not for Assad's entire time in office.

shut the gently caress up. you’re trying to compare a state government embroiled in civil war to a right wing death cult. ISIS was occupying low population density areas in eastern Syria and Northern Iraq. what do you think would’ve happened if they’d occupied places people actually lived in?

you’re a loving pea brain for thinking this is a valid point

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Considering their name is Israel State Intelligence Service I'm not shocked

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

shut the gently caress up. you’re trying to compare a state government embroiled in civil war to a right wing death cult. ISIS was occupying low population density areas in eastern Syria and Northern Iraq. what do you think would’ve happened if they’d occupied places people actually lived in?

you’re a loving pea brain for thinking this is a valid point

I mean, we can compare them with the Idlib rebels, who are more moderate but operating off a generally similar ideological playbook, and have mainly been fighting in one of the two most densely-populated parts of Syria. They're at two or three thousand civilian deaths to the government's eighty-five thousand.

Maybe don't be quite so quick to go on outraged rants when you're so obviously unfamiliar with what's going down there. Speaking personally, seeing the little lines of mass graves get filled in behind the Tishreen military hospital on Google Earth was loving haunting. There's also Saydnaya, which is responsible for almost three times as many deaths as ISIS on its own.

Darth Walrus has issued a correction as of 04:00 on Jul 31, 2019

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Darth Walrus posted:

I mean, we can compare them with the Idlib rebels, who are more moderate but operating off a generally similar ideological playbook, and have mainly been fighting in one of the two most densely-populated parts of Syria. They're at two or three thousand civilian deaths to the government's eighty-five thousand.

Maybe don't be quite so quick to go on outraged rants when you're so obviously unfamiliar with what's going down there. Speaking personally, seeing the little lines of mass graves get filled in behind the Tishreen military hospital on Google Earth was loving haunting. There's also Saydnaya, which is responsible for almost three times as many deaths as ISIS on its own.

Why don't you just go back to D&D? I think they're missing their goal post mover.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Why don't you just go back to D&D? I think they're missing their goal post mover.

Congrats on the haughtiest genocide apologia I've seen all day, dude. Real classy.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

first they came for the salafists, and i said nothing, for i was not a salafist

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Darth Walrus posted:

Congrats on the haughtiest genocide apologia I've seen all day, dude. Real classy.

ISIS ACTUALLY DID A GENOCIDE!!!

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Darth Walrus posted:

I mean, we can compare them with the Idlib rebels, who are more moderate but operating off a generally similar ideological playbook, and have mainly been fighting in one of the two most densely-populated parts of Syria. They're at two or three thousand civilian deaths to the government's eighty-five thousand.

Maybe don't be quite so quick to go on outraged rants when you're so obviously unfamiliar with what's going down there. Speaking personally, seeing the little lines of mass graves get filled in behind the Tishreen military hospital on Google Earth was loving haunting. There's also Saydnaya, which is responsible for almost three times as many deaths as ISIS on its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMRwk8WDd4

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

ISIS ACTUALLY DID A GENOCIDE!!!

So did Israel

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

i say swears online posted:

first they came for the salafists, and i said nothing, for i was not a salafist

quote:

The report reveals a routine of mass extrajudicial executions by hanging inside Saydnaya prison that was in place between 2011 and 2015. Every week – and often twice a week – victims were hanged in groups of up to 50 people, in the middle of the night and in total secrecy. There are strong reasons to believe that this routine is still ongoing today. Large numbers of detainees have also been killed as a result of the authorities’ extermination policies, which include repeated torture and the systematic deprivation of food, water, medicine and medical care. In addition, detainees at Saydnaya Prison are forced to obey a set of sadistic and dehumanizing rules.

The findings of the report are based on an intensive investigation, which was carried out over the course of one year, from December 2015 to December 2016. It involved first-hand interviews with 84 witnesses that included former Saydnaya guards and officials, detainees, judges and lawyers, as well as national and international experts on detention in Syria.

A previous report published in August 2016, for which Amnesty International partnered with a team of specialists at Forensic Architecture, University of Goldsmiths to create a virtual 3D reconstruction of Saydnaya prison, estimated that more than 17,000 people have died in prisons across Syria as a result of the inhuman conditions and torture since the Syrian crisis began in 2011. This figure does not include the estimated 13,000 additional deaths as a result of the extrajudicial executions exposed in this report.

...

Not one of the detainees condemned to hang at Saydnaya Prison is given anything that resembles an actual trial. Before they are hanged, victims undergo a perfunctory, one or two-minute procedure at a so-called Military Field Court. These proceedings are so summary and arbitrary that they cannot be considered to constitute a judicial process. Testimonies from former government officials, guards, judges and detainees helped Amnesty International shape a detailed picture of the farcical procedures that lead up to the hangings.

One former judge from a Syrian military court told Amnesty International the “court” operates outside the rules of the Syrian legal system. “The judge will ask the name of the detainee and whether he committed the crime. Whether the answer is yes or no, he will be convicted… This court has no relation with the rule of law. This is not a court,” he said.

The convictions issued by this so-called court are based on false confessions extracted from detainees under torture. Detainees are not allowed access to a lawyer or given an opportunity to defend themselves – most have been subjected to enforced disappearance, held in secret and cut off from the outside world. Those who are condemned to death do not find out about their sentences until minutes before they are hanged.

Love to get flippant about literal extermination camps.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Darth Walrus posted:

Assad's been responsible for approximately fifteen times as many civilian casualties as ISIS, according to the Amnesty International-endorsed Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. The status quo is also genocide, just for a different ethnic group and with rather more sophisticated weaponry.



lmao

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

according to Victims of Communism non-profit, the Soviet Union killed a hundred million people

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