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Serious_Cyclone posted:Josh is not only a true believer but he has main character syndrome, he was raised to believe that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ and will propel the nation into its quiverfull dominated destiny. Every step of the way in his pedo escalation he was protected by that belief and the "if you're molested you should think really hard about what you did to deserve it and how you can use it as an opportunity to be better" teachings of the IBLP. He never felt even a faint echo of remorse because his belief system drills it into him that he is not at fault, and his mom and dad not only took on the roles of accessories after the fact but they made his victims parade around in front of cameras smiling and acting like their abuser was the bestest big brother who ever lived, the physical embodiment of JimBob's holy perfection. If he ever had a fleeting second-thought about his blamelessness it might have come from the fact that he was being married off to a nobody from an Everglades trash family at the bottom of the IBLP hierarchy instead of being given a princess, but it seems like he just took it as immediate permission to take on all the side chicks he could afford to rent. yeah good point. its just nuts to me that they clearly knew he had a sex addiction with pedo leanings and they just did nothing, like i didnt expect them to do the right thing obviously but id excpet they would just write him off as loss when the guy is jacking to CSAM on the high way while driving and just pick the next oldest son.
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Yeah, I’m honestly not too worried about the Generation Joshua poo poo because, as scary as the documentary tried to make it seem, if Josh and Madison Cawthorn (does the name Madison have some symbolic significance like Joshua?) are the best they can produce, they’re a bunch of self-destructing Caligulas dangerous only to the women and children with the bad luck to end up anywhere near them. I agree that the paramilitary group made of these psychos is scary, but there probably aren’t that many and their brains are super-cooked to the point where they too will think it’s totally cool to film themselves face-loving their best friend and hooting like a macaque.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Yeah, at it's best a church is a community of people who support each other. Which in the modern world where so many people are socially isolated should be valuable. If you don't know the people in your neighbourhood and everyone you grew up with lives hours away, it is nice to have a welcoming community in a box that you can visit. In theory if you ever move there will be a local branch you can walk into to be accepted. Yeah in theory this is how it should be, but instead the Christfascist churches that have developed in America hate govt at the end of the day and and instead of just being a social place of similar values, literally seek to remove and destroy other community support resources in order to monopolize 'aid' to the community. It's not just the 'separation of church and state' stuff getting their goat - if the govt provides support systems then the importance of the Church support system diminishes and the entire Church loses power So a govt that doesn't help people in any way is ideal for a religion that wants you to depend on it and nothing else for support and community. This is why welfare is bad, and social security, and etc etc. Their whole beef is that people aren't FORCED to rely on religion anymore blugh i's so creepy and abusive ughlllll StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:I agree that the paramilitary group made of these psychos is scary, but there probably aren’t that many and their brains are super-cooked to the point where they too will think it’s totally cool to film themselves face-loving their best friend and hooting like a macaque. So far the biggest thing they've managed to pull off is stealing supplies from hurricane relief efforts in the Bahamas. It seems like other than reverse-white-savior missions the main operation of the paramilitary force is to be a beat-out-the-gayness program.
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Basically, churches were originally designed as community support centers, and there's such beauty in that and it's such a goddamn shame it's been ruined by the religious aspect, which inevitably always leads to someone with control issues going tyrant bc that's what's encouraged by the system. It seems impossible to have a system where God is at the top, that Mankind won't hijack for his own whims. Because it's so SO easy to just claim you're a voice of God/doing his will and anyone who questions you, questions God.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Basically, churches were originally designed as community support centers, and there's such beauty in that and it's such a goddamn shame it's been ruined by the religious aspect, which inevitably always leads to someone with control issues going tyrant bc that's what's encouraged by the system. I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you. A church is a church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
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Jul 5, 2023 17:08
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This may be an unpopular opinion here but I think most of the Duggars are bad.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Yeah, I’m honestly not too worried about the Generation Joshua poo poo because, as scary as the documentary tried to make it seem, if Josh and Madison Cawthorn (does the name Madison have some symbolic significance like Joshua?) are the best they can produce, they’re a bunch of self-destructing Caligulas dangerous only to the women and children with the bad luck to end up anywhere near them. i think its more they can gently caress up already red areas worse. i think U40s tend not to be religious and those that are tend not to be chuds. alot of the "bright future of evangelicalism" of these types are weirdos jerking to cartoon my little pony porn or whatever while screaming about traditional marrage or anti homosexual poo poo ruining the west. most are just weird cringy dipshits like every morality chud canidate they ran last year. just like ron desantis, like i can see another great awakening happening in my life time but not a giant chud one. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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I think it's pretty straightforward: the fundamentalist private school industry creates a lot of useful idiots for Republican orgs, but doesn't produce a lot of savvy operators with the social skills to develop an independent base of power. I can't imagine someone who went through an ACE school and Bob Jones University becoming a mover and shaker. People like Roy Moore are the outlier, I guess.
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teen witch posted:I don’t think you get how much my mom loved The Sound of Music when she was a kid. I have seen that movie so many goddamn times I could (but won’t) put on a one woman rendition of the film. This is where I'd post Meg's face shopped onto Maria if I had the skills
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Halloween Jack posted:I think it's pretty straightforward: the fundamentalist private school industry creates a lot of useful idiots for Republican orgs, but doesn't produce a lot of savvy operators with the social skills to develop an independent base of power. I can't imagine someone who went through an ACE school and Bob Jones University becoming a mover and shaker. People like Roy Moore are the outlier, I guess. yeah, you can rise to the top but only in your circle. It reminds me of Mastriano. the evangelical nut who ran for govenor of PA last year and got crushed. the guy never went outside the crazy sphere and kept reporters out of everything. and apperently fully believed he would just Win because silent majority loves this poo poo.
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Cowslips Warren posted:i still like the claims that since Africans sold the slaves to white people, really, I mean garsh what can you do but buy them? Really it was the Africans' fault! And once those people got here, why they were so grateful they would work nonstop and they loved being Americans! Yeah, and what caused the huge uptick in West Africans selling captives? Could it be those effective firearms Europeans were trading for slaves? So even if you were a leader in West Africa morally opposed to the slave trade your choice was likely to be to either acquire and trade captives to get guns or risk you and your family and friends becoming captives and getting traded for guns.
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Staying within the crazysphere is a key part of it. But I think that even if you're not in a very public-facing role, and even if you're not being used as a face by other people, there's a point where you have to be able to like, talk to other people and read their intentions and be able to consider their ideas and think critically about them, which the fundie school industry specifically trains people not to do. Even behind closed doors, I can't imagine someone like Jim Bob exercising power in the same spheres as Mitch McConnell. Even if that person just got a job as a right-wing blowhard on Fox, I can only see them getting totally snowed in any kind of power struggle.
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GolfHole posted:I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you. A church is a church. Oh sorry I wasn't clear at all, I made it sound like churches were somehow separated from religion at the start. That's totally my bad. To clarify - they've always been religiously oriented, more that I mean a huge portion of their creation was as becoming community centers of sorts. And so people of that religion found value in going and creating a support network. And while that's a great thing on its face, yeah churches are churches so they always ends up abusing their members and others in the end. Like, I love the idea of community being more connected - but not like that. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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Like, actually following the ideals of any of the Christ-based religions would be leftist in nature and there would be well-stocked and maintained homeless shelters and poo poo but NO instead it's gotta be Mother Theresa coming in and using Church money for setting up hellholes for people to die painfully with no treatment or dignity because she sees suffering as holy Wtf
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Halloween Jack posted:Staying within the crazysphere is a key part of it. But I think that even if you're not in a very public-facing role, and even if you're not being used as a face by other people, there's a point where you have to be able to like, talk to other people and read their intentions and be able to consider their ideas and think critically about them, which the fundie school industry specifically trains people not to do. Even behind closed doors, I can't imagine someone like Jim Bob exercising power in the same spheres as Mitch McConnell. Even if that person just got a job as a right-wing blowhard on Fox, I can only see them getting totally snowed in any kind of power struggle. i mean its because mitch doesnt believe in anything unlike jim. mitch is playing for money for his donors and probably vague fiscal conservative bullshit. jim bob is a nut who was raised to be a scion in a deep red shithole.
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Probably, but I'm saying that you can sincerely believe crazy things while being a basically rational person and an adept politician. For example, I believe Richard Nixon was in all likelihood more intelligent and better-informed than I am, while still being a loving nut.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Like, actually following the ideals of any of the Christ-based religions would be leftist in nature and there would be well-stocked and maintained homeless shelters and poo poo but NO instead it's gotta be Mother Theresa coming in and using Church money for setting up hellholes for people to die painfully with no treatment or dignity because she sees suffering as holy Agree in general but Hitchens hit piece on Mother Theresa was basically an exercise in mind reading. A lot of the criticism also only makes sense if she was running a hospital but she was running a hospice. Don’t get me wrong. There is a lot to criticize about Mother Theresa but a lot of the arguments from Hitchens don’t hold up well. His goal was to make her appear to be a monster and not to present facts or inform.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Duggar and Kazon. At Tanagra
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Xenocides posted:Yeah, and what caused the huge uptick in West Africans selling captives? Could it be those effective firearms Europeans were trading for slaves? So even if you were a leader in West Africa morally opposed to the slave trade your choice was likely to be to either acquire and trade captives to get guns or risk you and your family and friends becoming captives and getting traded for guns. Iron and steel farming implements and industrial strength alcohol actually. The Guns-slaves hypothesis has been widely reformed to a broader manufactured goods-slaves theory.
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Watched the documentary and I was aware of the fact that Josh had been caught and slapped on the wrist before but hearing the one guy say “we told him to never do that again” out loud was wild.
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They sent him to live with someone they knew to toughen him up. That person was also a pedophile
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Elderbean posted:Watched the documentary and I was aware of the fact that Josh had been caught and slapped on the wrist before but hearing the one guy say “we told him to never do that again” out loud was wild. I mean I agree. That was kind of harsh, they shouldn't have told him never to do that again. I mean that's just mean and disrespectful to JimBob's Boy. How's their second son? Is he being groomed to take the pedo's place in the public sphere?
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Like, actually following the ideals of any of the Christ-based religions would be leftist in nature and there would be well-stocked and maintained homeless shelters and poo poo but NO instead it's gotta be Mother Theresa coming in and using Church money for setting up hellholes for people to die painfully with no treatment or dignity because she sees suffering as holy On the low level, there's churches like this. My church is tiny but we organized an effective local food bank that bloomed into a weekly multi church effort. We also helped out a Spanish speaking congregation by sharing our building so they didn't have to pay to have a lovely strip mall. It's just that efforts like that don't build upon themselves, while Johnny snakehandler is buying politician influence and PR and investing his congregations money into the business of "christianity". So you're going to see the lovely side far more.
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Cassette Moodcore posted:They sent him to live with someone they knew to toughen him up. That person was also a pedophile I think you're conflating details. The state trooper who had a stern talk with him about molesting his sisters was a pedophile. Josh was actually sent to an ATI facility designed to reform troubled kids via slave labor--although their "trouble" was usually more in the vein of being caught listening to rock music than molesting siblings.
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Kro-Bar posted:I think you're conflating details. The state trooper who had a stern talk with him about molesting his sisters was a pedophile. Josh was actually sent to an ATI facility designed to reform troubled kids via slave labor--although their "trouble" was usually more in the vein of being caught listening to rock music than molesting siblings. Ah ok yes I am getting it mixed up, it has been a while since I listened to that podcast, I pray you put the journal away
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Kro-Bar posted:I think you're conflating details. The state trooper who had a stern talk with him about molesting his sisters was a pedophile. Josh was actually sent to an ATI facility designed to reform troubled kids via slave labor--although their "trouble" was usually more in the vein of being caught listening to rock music than molesting siblings. drat I wonder what those people thought of him. "I'm here because I listened to Nirvana." "I'm here because my sisters are Jezebels."
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Cassette Moodcore posted:Ah ok yes I am getting it mixed up, it has been a while since I listened to that podcast, I pray you put the journal away I grew up in ATI so I know a lot of pointless info about it. 
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Xenocides posted:Agree in general but Hitchens hit piece on Mother Theresa was basically an exercise in mind reading. A lot of the criticism also only makes sense if she was running a hospital but she was running a hospice. Don’t get me wrong. There is a lot to criticize about Mother Theresa but a lot of the arguments from Hitchens don’t hold up well. His goal was to make her appear to be a monster and not to present facts or inform. He had witnesses who saw the nuns re-use hypodermic needles because 'what's the point?' (since these people were already dying anyway and we're simply a poor institution doing our best to give comfort!!!). I get that she wasn't running hospitals and a lot of Hitchens topmost criticisms and people's reactions to the piece can be waved away with that, but she still wasn't running the hospices well, using the excuse they didn't have the money to do better, and they were known as houses of pain and suffering. Meanwhile, the Church happily took donations to 'support' her work, so largely it becomes a moneymaking opportunity. The excuse they didn't have the money to do better was absolutely a lie. They simply didn't want to spend that money on dying people when it could go towards furthering and growing the Church's goals, and Theresa was on board with this. The point of contention is that the Church obscured that truth through purposefully vague PR in order to solicit donations for what people thought were religious treatment centers but turned out to quite something else. And Theresa let this happen and gladly becoming the figurehead for it because it's all for the Church and this is what she dedicated her life to. And it worked because she and the Church were celebrated for it. Meanwhile, her and her nuns focused a lot of effort trying to prevent sex education and birth control from being taught/used in some of the poorest parts of the world, because, y'know. Catholicism. So she legit blocked what would actually materially help the population in India, only providing people space as they or their children were dying, often of the preventable diseases or starvation that come along with overpopulation. Even if you peel away the hospitals vs hospices thing, it's still hosed up. No one is sure how much money the Catholic Church made pushing the narrative that Theresa was helping people, but it wasn't nothing so yeah, gently caress them. I get the pushback, and it's because people heap a lot of hate on Theresa herself, when she's really just acting normally within the system she lives within. It's the Catholic Church that's hosed up here, but her joy at being 'used by God' in this manner doesn't make her a naif, either. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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Serious_Cyclone posted:And then after the story broke while his wife was pregnant, they named the new daughter Madison. Not a defense of him or anything but Ashley Madison is named after the top two girls names from like 2001 or something so there would be a good probability his kid would have had that name anyway
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Serrath posted:Not a defense of him or anything but Ashley Madison is named after the top two girls names from like 2001 or something so there would be a good probability his kid would have had that name anyway Yeah Madison is a pretty stereotypical white girl name.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Basically, churches were originally designed as community support centers, and there's such beauty in that and it's such a goddamn shame it's been ruined by the religious aspect, which inevitably always leads to someone with control issues going tyrant bc that's what's encouraged by the system. The thing that gets me is every week there is another article about how adult men are so lonely and how do with fix middle aged adult men in their loneliness... There is a whole other discussion about substance use disorders and gay men but there is a reason we call gay bars "church", gay men have those whole robust support structure outside of religion and straight dudes in the suburbs have their insane pastor that loves Donald Trump and then we ask why middle-aged straight men are broken.
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Three Olives posted:The thing that gets me is every week there is another article about how adult men are so lonely and how do with fix middle aged adult men in their loneliness... posting on SA is my church 
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pencilhands posted:posting on SA is my church goondolences
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Deki posted:On the low level, there's churches like this. Your church sounds pretty cool. Meanwhile my town (in Arkansas no less) got hit by a huge wind storm recently that took out power to over 4000 customers (ie meters, probably closer to 12000 people) right before a week of 100°F temperatures. We haven't seen damage like this since the infamous ice storm in January 2000. The city opened cooling centers during the day, and the public library welcomed everyone. Not a single Evangelical church that had electricity in a town of 60k residents offered to open their empty, unused, air-conditioned buildings to people in need of shelter. Jesus wept.
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forever and ever, gay men
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vortmax posted:Your church sounds pretty cool. i mean Jesus would tell people to pull their power up by their bootstraps and not expect the church to help because why should they? I will always, when I think of churches, think of my time in a print center when a church pastor and his wife were getting CDs made of her choir performances. They needed the sleeves printed, and my coworker helped design them. The image on the CD cover was the pastor's wife, in bright clothes, with dozens of diamonds in necklaces, rings, earrings (she insisted on more dazzling on them so out came more Photoshop), smiling seductively. the name of the album was A Virtuous Woman. no, they were not being ironic.
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Kro-Bar posted:I think you're conflating details. The state trooper who had a stern talk with him about molesting his sisters was a pedophile. Josh was actually sent to an ATI facility designed to reform troubled kids via slave labor--although their "trouble" was usually more in the vein of being caught listening to rock music than molesting siblings. Given the way these things go that facility is probably run by pedophiles though
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