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Constant Hamprince posted:Missing Aboriginal Women Inquiry He said "done". And it's not actually going to inquire into the actual missing women, it seems like kind of a misleading name now. quote:The upcoming national inquiry into Canada's missing and murdered Indigenous women will focus on violence prevention, according to a draft document obtained by CBC News. PT6A posted:Significantly less, I'd say. Labs can certainly be dangerous dogs if treated improperly, and their size makes them quite capable of doing damage. Still, having owned a German Shepherd Dog growing up, I think it's stupid to target breeds. Any breed can be turned into a bad or dangerous dog, and even the typically "aggressive" breeds are fine if raised and trained properly. The same level intelligence people who buy the stupid tiny dogs can also currently get the pit bulls though? All different breeds have the possibility to become aggressive but it's not that black and white. Different breeds have different thresholds and tolerances. Labs have a huge error tolerance where you can be a bad owner and still end up with a decent dog. Pit bulls have a really small tolerance for training error. Like wolves or hyenas or tigers. Which we don't allow people to keep because it'd be dangerous. quote:Topping the list of deaths by dog in a twenty year period is the Pit Bull and Pit Bull mix at 66 human deaths. The Rottweiler and Rottweiler mix was responsibe for 39 human deaths. The German Shepherd dog and mix were responsible for 17 human deaths. The Husky type dog was responsible for 15 human deaths as was the Malamute responsible for 12 human deaths. The Chow Chow was responsible for 8 deaths while the Doberman was responsible for 9 human deaths. The Saint Bernard was responsible for 7 human deaths and the Great Dane was also responsible for 7 deaths. The Akita killed 4 people, the Bulldog 2, the Mastiff 2, the Boxer 2 and believe it or not the Labrador Retriever was responsible for 1 death while Lab mixes were responsible for 4 deaths. The following dogs were responsible for killing one human each during these twenty years: The Bullmastiff, Cheasapeake Bay Retriever, West Highland Terrier, Japanese Hunting Dog, Newfoundland, Coonhound, Sheepdog, Rhodesian Ridgeback and cocker Spaniel. Our laws are built to handle these grey areas that balance safety of other people against personal freedom. People can have semi-automatic guns but not automatic. We can drive cars but we have speed limits. We can have pet dogs but not pet tigers. Moving the line a little to say "Hey, maybe society would be a little better without this dog breed that's responsible for 25% of dog attack fatalities" isn't very outrageous imo. I had a cool GSD growing up but I'd never have one again after owning a lab. Yes, I'm biased. Also, more torontonians died last year from cat bites than lab bites. http://news.nationalpost.com/health/the-surprising-cause-of-a-toronto-mans-death-from-septic-shock-a-bite-on-the-thumb-from-his-pet-cat Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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PT6A posted:Maybe everyone who wants full socialism now could gently caress off down there and enjoy it instead of befouling Canada with their nonsense. The only thing stopping you from voting socialist is a fireside chat with ndp rep over some wings namaste faggots posted:oh ho ho ho please tell me this thread (helsing) was defending chavez 5 years ago They have a failed state on par with the PRK
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Aug 18, 2016 15:35
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Venezuela's problems with food scarcity reminds me of the problems Cuba went through in the early 1990s.
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Ikantski posted:The same level intelligence people who buy the stupid tiny dogs can also currently get the pit bulls though? All different breeds have the possibility to become aggressive but it's not that black and white. Different breeds have different thresholds and tolerances. Labs have a huge error tolerance where you can be a bad owner and still end up with a decent dog. Pit bulls have a really small tolerance for training error. Like wolves or hyenas or tigers. Which we don't allow people to keep because it'd be dangerous. I suppose that's fair. I think another problem is that pitbulls tend to be bought by lovely people, and labs tend to be bought by people who want a good family dog. quote:Our laws are built to handle these grey areas that balance safety of other people against personal freedom. People can have semi-automatic guns but not automatic. We can drive cars but we have speed limits. We can have pet dogs but not pet tigers. Moving the line a little to say "Hey, maybe society would be a little better without this dog breed that's responsible for 25% of dog fatalities" isn't very outrageous imo. I had a cool GSD growing up but I'd never have one again after owning a lab. Yes, I'm biased. You know it's stupid to compare a death from septic shock resulting from a cat bite to a mauling death, right? Labs, by sheer virtue of their size, have the capacity to do (generally non-fatal) large amounts of damage, whereas cats do not simply because they are smaller. My point is that the most dangerous dog breed will always be whichever breed is owned more disproportionately by aggressive assholes who are looking for a penis-compensation device.
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Aug 18, 2016 15:38
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jm20 posted:The only thing stopping you from voting socialist is a fireside chat with ndp rep over some wings Why does this keep getting brought up? A conversation with my MLA was enough to convince me to vote for him provincially only, given that the alternatives were awful (and I'd still vote Liberal provincially, because all the alternatives have only got worse). Had he been running federally prior to JT's outreach to Alberta -- for example, when Dion or Ignatieff were leading the Liberal party, I would not have voted him. The fact that I like him personally made me more likely to vote for him, but it was hardly the only factor. OSI bean dip posted:Venezuela's problems with food scarcity reminds me of the problems Cuba went through in the early 1990s. Having talked to people who lived through and/or grew up during the Special Period, they were hungry but not picking through garbage, starving. Although one of my friends down there says he never wants to "see a loving bean again."
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You're a gullible sheep that has no backbone or values of your own to stand behind, and you'd be easily convinced by Vince Offer to buy a crate of slapchops as an solid investment strategy. In a certain sense you are the ideal voter for politicians whereby they need to expend no effort to convince you of anything.
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Shut it down guys, Socialism and Socialism only is the sole cause of Venezuelan downfall.
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DariusLikewise posted:Shut it down guys, Socialism and Socialism only is the sole cause of Venezuelan downfall. 
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jm20 posted:You're a gullible sheep that has no backbone or values of your own to stand behind, and you'd be easily convinced by Vince Offer to buy a crate of slapchops as an solid investment strategy. If this is true, why have the NDP and Conservative party been consistently unable to convince me of anything in the past five years or so? I have values, they're just inadequately represented by the political parties as they stand, so I exist in a political dead zone where each political party has a chance to pick up my vote (except the federal NDP because lol).
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DariusLikewise posted:Shut it down guys, Socialism and Socialism only is the sole cause of Venezuelan downfall. That is not what anyone is saying.
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PT6A posted:I suppose that's fair. I think another problem is that pitbulls tend to be bought by lovely people, and labs tend to be bought by people who want a good family dog. Sometimes lovely but I think a large percentage is just very naive. The good, stable owners who raised their pit bulls completely properly into nice dogs can just get a lab (or ANY other breed) for their next one and live a rich, happy life. The people who are super upset that their next dog has to be anything other than a pit bull can shoot themselves and make the world a little sunnier. PT6A posted:aggressive assholes who are looking for a penis-compensation device. Quoth the Mustang enthusiast.
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OSI bean dip posted:That is not what anyone is saying. PT6A posted:Maybe everyone who wants full socialism now could gently caress off down there and enjoy it instead of befouling Canada with their nonsense.
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Ikantski posted:Sometimes lovely but I think a large percentage is just very naive. The good, stable owners who raised their pit bulls completely properly into nice dogs can just get a lab (or ANY other breed) for their next one and live a rich, happy life. The people who are super upset that their next dog has to be anything other than a pit bull can shoot themselves and make the world a little sunnier. It's all about the mileage numbers, maan
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Surely if I were suffering from a tiny penis I would buy a BMW or Audi or similar *luxury* car and not a V6 Mustang.
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You are singlehandedly going to convince everyone in the world that v6 mustangs are not the exclusive car of cuckolds Godspeed
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MA-Horus posted:Ban assholes from owning dogges. Don't ban dogges. They're also doing this. Dog owners with criminal backgrounds and/or a history of training their dogs for aggression will actually be filed and tracked as opposed to just forgetting about them and slipping through the cracks. In one of the cases that spurred this legislation, the pitbull had previously attacked people and the owner also happened to be a petty thug with a history of violence and anger management issues. Problem is, given the municipal nature of this bill, negligent owners can just leave Montreal with their murderous pitbull where it can happily chomp off some suburban kid's face.
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Jan posted:They're also doing this. Dog owners with criminal backgrounds and/or a history of training their dogs for aggression will actually be filed and tracked as opposed to just forgetting about them and slipping through the cracks. In one of the cases that spurred this legislation, the pitbull had previously attacked people and the owner also happened to be a petty thug with a history of violence and anger management issues. I mean it's a start, pit bulls don't really belong in an urban environment I think. But other big dogs are usually fine, as long as they get enough exercise they just want to sleep on your couch most of the day. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Yeah, I have to admit that I'd have serious reservations about pitbulls in urban or suburban areas. I just realized all the ones I know, which are all very well-behaved, live in areas that go from "rural" to "extremely rural."
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I met some pit bulls. Most were friendly cuddlebeasts. Every dogge is a good dogge and shelter dogges need love and cuddles.
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My mom got attacked and chased by a pit bull. A chihuahua at it's absolute worst in terms of temperament and handling, couldn't remotely harm an adult human. So yeah, the breed does matter. gently caress pit bulls.
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namaste faggots posted:i heard PMSELFIE unmuzzled the scientists c/d? Then he stopped paying them. I'm convinced our government is looking to Russia's dumbest poo poo for inspiration here, what with the whole not paying their public servants, and our strong, virile leader going topless for all his summer photo ops.
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Aug 18, 2016 17:46
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Even better, adopt an elderly chihuahua with no teeth. Worst the little guy can do is pee, which is good because if a larger dog reacted how he does when I give him ear medication I'd be dead now.
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Are the federal scientists also paid by the phoenix system? I'd take it they'd prefer to be muzzled and paid by comparison if so.
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If I just got out of prison I might want a dog  I don't have any love for pitbulls though or most large dogs
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Ikantski posted:All different breeds have the possibility to become aggressive but it's not that black and white. Different breeds have different thresholds and tolerances. Labs have a huge error tolerance where you can be a bad owner and still end up with a decent dog. Pit bulls have a really small tolerance for training error. Like wolves or hyenas or tigers. Which we don't allow people to keep because it'd be dangerous. [citation needed] Maybe we should actually listen to the professionals on this one? The ontario veterinary medical association is firmly on the side of breed specific legislation doesn't work. http://supporthersheysbill.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/OVMA-Letter.pdf
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TrueChaos posted:[citation needed] The RSPCA, who is biased because BSL leads to things they'd rather prevent, says the same thing. Since the law came into effect in the UK, only 9 of the 30 dog-related fatalities were caused by banned breeds (which is a bit more than 25%). Unfortunately their presser doesn't say anything about many people were merely hurt, and they don't present data on other useful factors about the attacks (like whether the animals were provoked, or had been raised as assholes, or were just sweet family pets that snapped) so take their word with some salt. When debate on what is now the DOLA opened, I sent a grouchy letter to the A-G telling him that making us enforce it would make us all look like idiots, and got a "Thank you for supporting breed ban law" email in return. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Guy DeBorgore posted:Personally I like having a government that takes climate change seriously and is willing to spend meaningful amounts of money combatting it. Lol they lobbied in Paris to make sure any targets agreed upon would be non-binding
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Violet_Sky posted:I met some pit bulls. Most were friendly cuddlebeasts. Every dogge is a good dogge and shelter dogges need love and cuddles. Some breeds are much harder to train than others and this will result in violence. I've seen German Shepherds come through our local rescue that no matter how much time get put into them they need to be put in homes without kids and other pets with limited social interaction simply because of the psychological damage done by the previous owners. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of system draw up where you can own a pit bull, but you have to attend mandatory training classes with it and prove you aren't some rear end in a top hat looking to whip a bunch to "defend your land"
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TrueChaos posted:Maybe we should actually listen to the professionals on this one? The ontario veterinary medical association is firmly on the side of breed specific legislation doesn't work. Ah, yes, the OVMA, an unbiased association who is completely free of influence from the millionaire pitbull lobby.
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Jan posted:the millionaire pitbull lobby. What?
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THC posted:Lol they lobbied in Paris to make sure any targets agreed upon would be non-binding Man the Liberals really are the masters of doing one thing while claiming to do the opposite.
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Most dog breeds are so hosed up at this point anyways. Maybe we should accept that people don't have a right to force an animal to suffer because they like the way it looks. Then again, governments aren't doing poo poo about puppy mills either. Both problems could be fixed by making it illegal to sell a dog, but legal to give them away. There shouldn't be financial incentive to create as many diseased dogs as possible.
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National Canine Research Council Animal Farm Foundation There are organizations dedicated to pumping out "research" to demonstrate that pitbulls are safe, and the people behind these organizations are pumping in considerable amounts of money. While it's healthy to consider both sides of a debate, the resources invested are far greater than that of the victims associations. Those studies have a clear conflict of interest and are essentially just adding noise to the debate. The Quebec veterinary medical association filed a report advising against breed-specific laws, but their report was citing a few papers with obvious bias so they had to backtrack on those. I'm not saying BSL works, I'm saying there are considerable amounts of politics and money involved behind the pro-pitbull side.
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The Saskatchewan farmer who shot the native kid plead not guilty today. No surprises there. This is going to be an ugly trial.
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Powershift posted:Most dog breeds are so hosed up at this point anyways. Maybe we should accept that people don't have a right to force an animal to suffer because they like the way it looks. It should be legal to sell a dog, but illegal to sell/register a purebred. There's nothing wrong with wanting a dog with specific qualities, or trying to breed a dog with those qualities, provided those qualities aren't "conforms to a breed standard." Even the GSD we had growing up was purposefully bought from a breeder that specifically added other bloodlines (and thus it was not an actual GSD, but it's just the easiest way to explain basically the sort of dog he was).
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Really the whole dog purebreeding/accreditation business just stinks of outdated racialist thought.
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InfiniteZero posted:As somebody who relies on census data to develop reports, please rest assured that restoring the long form census is more than just "not being Harper". i disagree. everyone campainging but harper was going to do it anyway. it was pretty much the easiest thing in the world to do
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CopywrightMMXI posted:The Saskatchewan farmer who shot the native kid plead not guilty today. No surprises there. This is going to be an ugly trial. it seems exceedingly unlikely that that dude wont eat a murder charge b/c come the gently caress on, but also, prairies white supremacy is real and powerful and definitely this dude's friend
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Guy DeBorgore posted:Personally I like having a government that takes climate change seriously and is willing to spend meaningful amounts of money combatting it. He hasn't done anything concrete yet. There is a carbon tax "proposal" and we will see if he he is able to accomplish anything.
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Mozi posted:Really the whole dog purebreeding/accreditation business just stinks of outdated racialist thought. Also it's literally driving breeds to extinction. 80-90% of bulldogs are born via cesarean now, because the Kennel Club standard is bigger heads and tiny hips. Cancer is reaching epidemic levels in labs/ retrievers due to inbreeding. The whole purebred idea is hosed and imploding.
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