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chocolateTHUNDER posted:New macbook for mom, Rmbp if you plan on doing anything more than web browsing/email/music. Which is a big step up from the original Air, which was a bad computer for effectively everyone (even Mom)
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enMTW posted:Which is a big step up from the original Air, which was a bad computer for effectively everyone (even Mom) Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I have no dog in that fight. Just seems like where the line is drawn. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, though I think the price is a bit steep (but they'll just take care of that next year).
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I have no dog in that fight. Just seems like where the line is drawn. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, though I think the price is a bit steep (but they'll just take care of that next year). Yep, that's fair. Your post was quite fair.
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Apr 9, 2015 17:52
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enMTW posted:MacBook (2015) reviews are out! I know it's to be expected considering how tiny and light the thing is, but I'm pretty disappointed by the battery life. I could take the slower CPU and everything if it had at least a 10 hour battery life.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:15
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enMTW posted:Which is a big step up from the original Air, which was a bad computer for effectively everyone (even Mom) Do yourself a favour and look it up. It a hilariously terrible computer. Basically a list of compromises in the name of size and weight.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:16
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Hm, I was hoping to buy one of those for work. All our stuff is on remote servers, I just need sshfs and Sublime Text. Maybe it'll still do?
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Apr 9, 2015 18:20
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I had to support someone who inherited a 1st gen MBA. It was indeed a POS (YOS?) machine from its lovely hinge quality, to the "bomb bay" ports, to the feeble Intel GMA X3100 GPU. It literally could not play any NetFlix movie at any resolution higher than 800 * 600 without losing frames. As a bonus you'll never be able to run any OS X higher than 10.7.5 because of the lovely GPU. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 18:22
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Boiled Water posted:Do yourself a favour and look it up. It a hilariously terrible computer. Basically a list of compromises in the name of size and weight. Yeah, I remember the original Air. It was terrible.
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Apr 9, 2015 18:28
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Are Apple proprietary SSDs still electrically SATA with a proprietary connector or have they moved onto proprietary(?) PCIe/NVMe? If it did change when did it change?
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Apr 9, 2015 19:06
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Proprietary PCIe 2.0. Happened with late 2013 rMBP AFAIK.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:09
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Basically the reviews for the Macbook are not the least bit surprising. This thread accurately called all of its pros and cons the day it was announced.
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Apr 9, 2015 19:13
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Seems like a good computer to carry with you to school/work, take notes on, travel with, etc. The only thing pushing me towards the 13" pro right now is the superior battery life, other than that I'd be all over the macbook
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Apr 9, 2015 19:37
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New macbook. Verge review:  The future apparently rates only 
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BlackMK4 posted:I like it, especially scaled resolution, so I'll return it and wait a little bit to get another so they can have some more time to work issues out. Gonna reiterate again, it appears your specific machine may have a hardware issues, not that the entire line has bugs. Based on your experience and the experience of others in the thread, it appears as though those problems will not exist on another unit. But do what you want.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:New macbook. Well yeah. For better or worse USB-C and more reliance on wireless connectivity is the future. You're just gonna deal with a lot of early-adopter and first-gen hardware headaches to experience it early. The reviews are actually making me like the new MacBook more than I used to. I agree that it's in a much better place than the original MBA was and I'm confident that it'll improve dramatically in every way within the next 2 years. And I haven't seen them in person yet but all of the new in-use/not-taken-by-Apple photos look pretty gorgeous, although I would've loved to see Apple move away from sharp corners and introduce some iPhone-like rounded edges (and like the last-generation poly MacBook)- mostly because the edges on the unibody Macs have always been such ding magnets. I'm actually really digging the gold now. That said, my mom would have the worst time with one. She's barely comfortable with the port situation the way it is now.
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I can't really argue in this case with the lower rating despite the praise about what this product signals. This product paves the way for a better product down the road, and is compromised in an important way. The real compromise would have been to make it a little thicker to accommodate regular keyboard mechanisms, a regular USB port, etc, but that wouldn't drive progress nearly as much as this. But as an actual product you can buy and use today, without thinking about what it means for the future? 8.4 is generous.
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SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:New macbook. Yeah that's a funny way of saying wait till the next iteration.
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Some MacBook news from a reseller: http://archives.subscribermail.com/msg/24176f2acc6942a3966beb6f30de375e.htm "Here’s the way Apple is handling initial delivery of the new MacBook: No stores, including their own, will have stock to speak of -- possibly for as long as 3-4 months. The MacBook is going to be highly constrained for quite some time. In an attempt to be fair, Apple has instituted a policy to drop ship straight to all end users from its factory in first-in first-out priority. Even Apple Store employees have been given the directive to point people to online ordering. The confusing aspect of this process is that once an order is put into that system there is no stopping, changing, canceling, or generally even finding out how much time is left before it ships. Accordingly, we have no other way to process a MacBook order than charge your card, place the order with Apple, and wait for it to ship. The good news is that all orders are being handled on a first-in, first-out basis, and we're being told those shipments should release in a matter of 2-3 weeks."
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KillerMojo posted:Yeah that's a funny way of saying wait till the next iteration. Yeah the current Macbook is kinda pointless right now, but you gotta start somewhere. It's going to be way better in a year or two.
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That goodstuff/badstuff blurb reads like the diary of the least insightful man in the world.
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Boiled Water posted:That goodstuff/badstuff blurb reads like the diary of the least insightful man in the world. 
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I think the Macbook is really great. It's much more advanced relative to the time of release than the original Air thanks to the SSD and RAM. It is perfect for the people who use their machines as word processors than can access the web, of which there are a ton.
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Nut Bunnies posted:I think the Macbook is really great. It's much more advanced relative to the time of release than the original Air thanks to the SSD and RAM. It is perfect for rich people who use their machines as word processors than can access the web, of which there are a ton. Seriously. If you want a device that you can write a screenplay on while browsing Facebook and listening to Spotify, you could do a whole lot better than a $1400 Macbook.
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^^Oh whatever.  This is basically the same complaint that people have been having about the MacBook Air since forever. And people seem to like that computer just fine here.
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quote:Seriously. If you want a device that you can write a screenplay on while browsing Facebook and listening to Spotify, you could do a whole lot better than a $1400 Macbook. I'm an author and use my MBA 11" solely for writing novels while listening to spotify. I think people are overestimating what most people use computers for. What strikes me in the reviews on the MB12 is the comments that people don't like the keyboard and that it doesn't balance well in the lap because it's so light. One of the things the old Air really has going for it is it's comfortable to type on and the balance is sublime.
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I used my 11" Air for tons of stuff. Ruby/web/iOS development, retro games and emulators, forums, iTunes CPU speed was never really an issue. The only thing I didn't like about it was 1366x768, but the new MacBook doesn't really fix that (I can't see for poo poo so running a simulated 135dpi on the Retina still doesn't give me enough screen real estate). The form factor would be cool (I really love the size of the 11" Air) but I'll just stick with hambeast 13" rMBP
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coldplay chiptunes posted:Fixed. counterpoint: it's very pretty Bob Morales posted:I used my 11" Air for tons of stuff. Ruby/web/iOS development, retro games and emulators, forums, iTunes tbf the screen is a good bit taller in terms of aspect ratio compared to the 11" MBA, and it comes stock set to the same amount of screen real estate as the 13" MBPr Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Seriously, he makes it sound like the i7 2011 MBA was somehow super-underpowered and incapable or something. It's held its own pretty well even against computers from any of the last 3 years. I had the i5 version and I never felt like I was punishing it except for moments when I had, like, 50 Chrome tabs open or when I started butting up against the 128gb/4gb specs, which were my fault and exactly half of what comes standard in the new model. I switched to a 15" rMBP for other work needs but I often miss the Air. I gave it to my dad this fall and it's more computer than he needs since he's got all of his media on a 2009 iMac and in the cloud. I remember when I bought it and people in this very thread were talking about how much they were getting comfortably done on their new Airs- stuff like Steam games, Photoshop, XCode/iOS development.
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I've been using my i5 MBA to control a set of remote server with 200 GB RAM and 50 Xeon cores each for a few months now, and literally the only things I wish my Air had was 1. less bulk and 2. a retina screen. Otherwise it has performed admirably. I also play a bit of Civ 5 but that really gets the fan going. What I'm saying is, I hope the 2nd gen MB comes soon cause I'm not buying 1st-gen Apple stuff.
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Kingnothing posted:reiterate again Is this... double redundancy?
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Are the 2015 13" MBPs available in apple stores to play with? Want to check out that touch pad.
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Shaocaholica posted:Are the 2015 13" MBPs available in apple stores to play with? Want to check out that touch pad. I don't live near any Apple stores but they're already at my local best buy.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:^^Oh whatever. The consensus is the first air sucked. Apple is totally capable of releasing an overpriced piece of hardware, they usually do it as a first iteration of a new line and capitalize on people with deeper wallets than sense. It's a thing.
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KillerMojo posted:The consensus is the first air sucked. Apple is totally capable of releasing an overpriced piece of hardware, they usually do it as a first iteration of a new line and capitalize on people with deeper wallets than sense. It's a thing. Yeah, and what about all of the subsequent models (which are what I was referring to)? Duh the first-gen MBA was awful- and even the 2010 one had issues- but what about the 2011 model that this is similar in performance to?
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Shaocaholica posted:Are the 2015 13" MBPs available in apple stores to play with? Want to check out that touch pad. How is it different from the 13" rMBP trackpad? It -is- really cool to turn the machine off, feel that there is no click in the touchpad, then play with press sensitivity in the sys prefs.
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I played around with the new MacBook five minutes ago. Performance was fine in the browser, the build quality is amazing and your brain doesn't just expect how light this thing is when you lift it. Also, the force trackpad feels like black magic, you 100% feel like you are clicking a regular touchpad. I was most pleasantly surprised by the keyboard though. Yes it has very very little travel. However, you get a very good positive response when the buttons actually engage and everything is spaced out well. Obviously not gonna replace my rMBP development machine but it's probably the best traveling businessman type computer I've seen (battery life notwithstanding).
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Yeah, and what about all of the subsequent models (which are what I was referring to)? That's totally great but the the context of the discussion is around the 1st gen 'new Macbook' and how the value isn't there. Just like other first iterations of Apple lines. Like the first MBA. The 2011 MBA is a better value proposition than the new Macbook.
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Nut Bunnies posted:I think the Macbook is really great. It's much more advanced relative to the time of release than the original Air thanks to the SSD and RAM. It is perfect for the people who use their machines as word processors than can access the web, of which there are a ton. There are a lot of people like this but people who want a simple computing experience generally want a simple computing experience all around, for example people like my parents would be perplexed and very much turned off by the whole one-port USB-C thing and the need for a dongle. I don't think it's a bad device overall and I can definitely see a market for it but I can't see it being a huge seller at least not this generation.
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