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Superstring posted:Wish they somehow worked pompadours onto the Akasodara. Pachydours
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FuturePastNow posted:I would desperately like to see their statistics on what % of players pick each option the first time through. Ya that was my first reaction haha I wasn't expecting much out of it but this omega questline is now probably one of my favorite questlines in the game, and I'm glad they spent a bit of time interrogating the morality of what all the ancients did. I still would like to get a bit more info on what went down with the Council Of Venat or whateva. It's really apparent how much they've updated their cutscene game in terms of music and camera work and shot composition too, even for these "smaller" sidequests. Also did anyone else just assume that The Watcher was a copy of Hyth originally? I guess I just pulled that out of my rear end. Curious if we find out more about who they were eventually.
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Jun 8, 2022 19:16
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Sounds like I'm going to have to try to get some people to unsync Omega this weekend with me.
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Jun 8, 2022 19:18
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You could just queue into it normally. They're mostly good fights.
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ImpAtom posted:They are literally just a Japanese biker gang. Maybe we'll go full Akira by the end.
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Chomposaur posted:Also did anyone else just assume that The Watcher was a copy of Hyth originally? I guess I just pulled that out of my rear end. Curious if we find out more about who they were eventually. Nah, we knew that Hyth sacrificed himself for Zodiark. He wouldn't have been around to calm the other Ancient spirits when we were trying to stop Zenos/Fandaniel on the moon otherwise. Then, during the cutscene at the end of Elpis we see him say goodbye to Emet-Selch when they go about summoning Zodiark for the first time.
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Cleretic posted:I mean, they have looped into 'this should have been MSQ' and some have decided that the Watcher's talk is proof that Venat really did lie to all of her followers (which for some reason is an important point to them despite the fact that they also disagree with what those followers were saying), but mostly they're happier about this than they have been about basically all of Endwalker. What? In what weird universe is the Watcher's talk during that quest proof of Venat lying? Frankly, premising one's entire assessment of a character on "but of course they are lying" doesn't seem like very solid analysis of a work. There's "believed one thing but was mistaken" and there's "worded things deceptively" (which Hydaelin did because a retcon was needed) and there's good old Emet-Selch claiming he's telling the truth but kind of being dishonest and huffy about some of his feelings on the matter.... but past a certain point claiming that Venat was lying requires enough stretching to open a yoga studio.
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TheWorldsaStage posted:They just sound like they're from Jersey in my head This makes way more sense, but I can't help but think of them as southern/Appalachian bootleggers. If we don't get hippo racing from this, I'll be disappointed.
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FeatherFloat posted:What? In what weird universe is the Watcher's talk during that quest proof of Venat lying? Those that turn from big crystal mommy live in the dark. Sense is useless to them.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Those that turn from big crystal mommy live in the dark. Sense is useless to them. Big Crystal Mommy did enough questionable decisions that she's perfectly willing to own and admit to! No need for there to be lies for her to be a person you can condemn if you so wish!
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FeatherFloat posted:I mean all the characters from their own perspectives felt that they were right, so they did what they did, at least from how I see it. Which I think is interesting in contrast to Omega's questioning where all of his logical responses and objections to the choices people made really came down to 'yeah I guess you're logically correct, but I had feelings about the matter'. And those feelings are an inevitable part of why beings do what they choose to do, unable to be entirely divorced from the raw logic of the situation. To paraphrase that one Garlean, "The Heart wants what it wants. Even if it takes the mind a bit to come around on it." That was a great little capstone on Endwalker.
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I'd argue Tataru's sidequest also acts a capstone for Endwalker. But while Omega deals with the themes, Tataru deals with the world (the implication being we're gonna meet up with the entire Ilsabard contingent and maybe some old friends.)
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Jun 8, 2022 22:26
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It's criminal that the Tataru quest doesn't have any costume changes, and they dang well better be saving it up for a big reveal at the end.
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https://twitter.com/nocheamarga/status/1534358048139055107?s=21&t=MnDhjbLxyzjc-u_Kc6WhuA
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TheWorldsaStage posted:Sounds like I'm going to have to try to get some people to unsync Omega this weekend with me. Just queue for them normally, they're normal raids so you'll get people doing roulette.
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It is delightful that "the goofy rear end cartoon chocobo and the tiny robot" are two of the most beloved characters in this stupid game.
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I wish to investigate the Interspectorial Rift further.
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FeatherFloat posted:What? In what weird universe is the Watcher's talk during that quest proof of Venat lying? Generally speaking their angle on that is 'they didn't know she was going to sunder the planet, she only sprang that after she got their energy to summon Hydaelyn'. Which... yeah, actually contradicts what the Watcher said pretty directly. And is also a pretty blatant double standard that they consider Venat supposedly lying proof of her cruelty and evil, but Emet-Selch being outright deceitful and duplicitous is given a pass. But that's normal from that lot; 'Venat committed genocide (we will not discuss the far more numerous and unambiguous acts of the exact same crime performed by Sad Hitler)' is a tragically common angle over there.
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I like how the game doesn't push any of them as being particularly right or wrong in the omega quest, it just wants you to think about it.
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Bruceski posted:
I think Roes may have the beach volleyball player physique on a lock 
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The Omega quest was nice, but while going through it I was totally expecting the final location we were gonna visit was Ultima Thule. But then we didn't which led me to wonder, does Ultima Thule still exist lore-wise or did it dissapear after we defeated Meteion? I'm super confused about this since there's also the part where the Omicron-memories were preparing to invade Etherys during the Sigma Dreamscape sidequest. I was hoping the Omicron cafe ends up being a tribal quest and we get to repopulate the Necropolis through it 
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I don't think there's any particular reason for to believe it to have vanished in-lore, especially with Jammingway presently hanging out. There's just numerous dynamis-reconstructed races in the region, and apparently Omega didn't want to compare notes with the Omicron there.
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It still exists lore wise. Some of the npcs bring up it's in this weird situation where you can literally walk onto the Ragnarok from Sharlayan, and come out the other side in Ultima Thule.
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There is a bit of dialogue that details that the Raghnarok continues to be, somehow, in both Sharlyan and Ultima Thule at the same time, due to continued Dynamis Weirdness.
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This conveniently means they ship won't be making any additional interstellar voyages any time soon, probably. 
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SirSamVimes posted:I like how the game doesn't push any of them as being particularly right or wrong in the omega quest, it just wants you to think about it. Took me a minute to make a choice on that. ImpAtom posted:It is delightful that "the goofy rear end cartoon chocobo and the tiny robot" are two of the most beloved characters in this stupid game. They're great 
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So for some reason the scene with the Watcher isn't in the Unending Journey, so I had to track down a youtube video to check his speech--and was right to do it, because it has some pretty useful information that is pretty easy to miss first time through. For everyone's benefit:quote:At the time of your journey to the past, the one whose essence I embody would have been a scholar at Anyder. A shame. Had you reason to go there, perhaps you might have met. As a man of learning, he was firm friends with Venat. They spent long hours trading theories, or debating the laws of the universe. I "remember" joining her faction as the Final Days bore down on us. Yet of the events surrounding that tragedy, I recall precious little. Hydaelyn wished for the people of your age to decide their own path, thus I suspect my recollection was limited by design. There's part of that that really stood out to me as 'wait a minute this is important': it seems like the Watcher might have Anyder Guy's actual soul... which makes him the last Ancient. He's the only one left, and he's unemployed! It also implicitly rules out the theory of the Twelve being Venat's crew, because the thing that mostly held for that was that there actually were exactly twelve of them... but now that one is accounted for, it can't work out.
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I don't know about him having the guy's actual soul. Seemed like a similar situation to the Hytlodaeus in Emet's Amaurot, a more realistic copy than its creator intended because the creator's feelings about the person in question affect their work.
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FuturePastNow posted:I don't know about him having the guy's actual soul. Seemed like a similar situation to the Hytlodaeus in Emet's Amaurot, a more realistic copy than its creator intended because the creator's feelings about the person in question affect their work. If we presume that he is talking about 'the man he once was' while having been built as a facsimile of an Ancient, we can probably presume at least some measure of his soul was involved in making him. Hylothodeus' replica was very specific in saying he was not actually Hylothodeus.
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Also it said "I wish we could've met" which probably rules out it being anyone we know?
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Alxprit posted:Also it said "I wish we could've met" which probably rules out it being anyone we know?
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I hope we learn his name is Diogenes. Look, there has to be a Diogenes somewhere among the Ancients. He's like Sappho, if you're slapping Greek names on characters then you can't just leave it on the table.
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Nobody in Elpis flung poo poo at us, so I don't think we met Diogenes
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He has to be FuSoYa, it's so obvious that it loops around to being an out-there pick.
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*holds up shark* Behold! A primal!
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Ibblebibble posted:He has to be FuSoYa, it's so obvious that it loops around to being an out-there pick. That would be a bizarre break in the greek naming scheme.
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