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Aurubin posted:So a coal mine that opened for use in steel production, not energy. If Trump ever talks about this mine i guarantee that he'll think it was for energy production. Exactly! This is Met Coal mine which is in the much smaller market for the highest quality coal used for coking. The fact this mine opens isn't even really a positive sign for coal mines in general.
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Chilichimp posted:It's also not his accomplishment. The company decided to open the mine a loving year ago. This mine was going to open no matter who was president. I should have said "good-ish things(from his base's perspective) that happened while he was sworn in as Commander-in-Chief." His presidency really is most notable for not doing things.
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Sinteres posted:Schumer released a parody video of Trump's cult-like Cabinet meeting. Real life is now parodying a parody of real life that somehow managed to become real life. How many levels further do we have to go?
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Gee I wonder if any coal mines have closed recently.
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Ularg posted:Real life is now parodying a parody of real life that somehow managed to become real life. We have to incept Trump into believing he lost.
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namaste faggots posted:Nothing will happen because nothing matters Ate you allowed in this thread, Cultural Imperial? I thought you were quarantined to the Canadian Containment Zone. Trabisnikof posted:Exactly! This is Met Coal mine which is in the much smaller market for the highest quality coal used for coking. The fact this mine opens isn't even really a positive sign for coal mines in general. Yeah, pretty sure even if coal stopped being used for energy production entirely, they'd still need some for coking.
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yeah. it will be some small/medium sized mine thats mostly automated apart from some tech heads and operators and white collar management. coal is dead in the states and its dying in most other countries as well and the places its not, its loving nightmare occupation for basically no pay. yep. sounds about right.
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It took him just only 100+ days to make possibly 100 jobs! Most of them might not even be miners! 100 Janitors and gear cleaners that barely make minimum or people that only work under 20 hours for less pay!
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I've never understood the reverence for coal miners and people who miners have for that job. I guess some sort of familial pride
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Hollismason posted:I've never understood the reverence for coal miners and people who miners have for that job. I guess some sort of familial pride it's not about the job itself really, it's about proving you're a real manly man who does real manly work to put food on your family's table. everyone agrees coal mining is a lovely job but it's at the center of rural america idolizing hardship and perseverence through hard work and godliness or whatever. it's the same reason exurban redneck dads who make good salaries as a sales rep own giant trucks and buy fishing/hunting gear they never use. basically toxic masculinity, employment edition
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Hollismason posted:I've never understood the reverence for coal miners and people who miners have for that job. I guess some sort of familial pride It's sort of a cancerous version of the roots of the American labor movement. Coal miners were some of the first to unionize, because the jobs sucked, the companies were tyrannical, but they were necessary to keep the wheels of the nation turning. So coal miners became a symbol of the hard-working, oppressed worker. Fast forward to today, we pay lip service to their industriousness, while purposefully ignoring the larger issue of worker's rights. It's like how everyone ignores how Martin Luther King Jr. was an avowed socialist.
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boner confessor posted:it's not about the job itself really, it's about proving you're a real manly man who does real manly work to put food on your family's table. everyone agrees coal mining is a lovely job but it's at the center of rural america idolizing hardship and perseverence through hard work and godliness or whatever It's also arguably better than bagger, cashier, Walmart greeter, fry cook or garbage man that make up the usual rural selection of THE AMERICAN DREAM (TM).
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PM modi of india coming to the white house june 26th http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/12/indian-prime-minister-modi-trump-meeting-239438 i hope he spends most of his time explaining to trump how the paris accord was going to be uniquely beneficial to US contractors looking to install renewables in india, and then laughs at him
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Chilichimp posted:It's also not his accomplishment. The company decided to open the mine a loving year ago. This mine was going to open no matter who was president. Do you really think this matters to Trump? He still thinks he saved Carrier, despite the fact that they ended up outsourcing all those jobs they "saved" 6 months ago.
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Hollismason posted:I've never understood the reverence for coal miners and people who miners have for that job. I guess some sort of familial pride Eh, they do a dirty job that helped build the industrialized world. It pays poo poo, it's dangerous, and leads to crippling maladies if you managed to survive it. You should probably try to have some reverence for what they do. I mean, they're not in it for the rest of society, they just need a job, but without people willing to put on the hat and respirator and going underground, we'd still be riding horses coking steel with burnt lumber.
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boner confessor posted:it's not about the job itself really, it's about proving you're a real manly man who does real manly work to put food on your family's table. everyone agrees coal mining is a lovely job but it's at the center of rural america idolizing hardship and perseverence through hard work and godliness or whatever. it's the same reason exurban redneck dads who make good salaries as a sales rep own giant trucks and buy fishing/hunting gear they never use. basically toxic masculinity, employment edition Also the idealized "rugged masculinity" coal miner is an underground miner not a surface miner. People aren't envisioning a driver or shovel operator, they're envisioning a small time underground coal miner.
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Alter Ego posted:Do you really think this matters to Trump? He still thinks he saved Carrier, despite the fact that they ended up outsourcing all those jobs they "saved" 6 months ago. He never saved those jobs. The plan to outsource them anyway was known at the time of the press release, and Carrier fleeced the Indiana tax payers for essentially nothing.
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when is trump going to focus on our ailing whaling industry? town criers all over america are waiting for their president to reinvigorate their profession. milk men are out of work all over this loving country.
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skylined! posted:PM modi of india coming to the white house june 26th Indian journalist guy just started squeeling uncontrollable
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uh lol https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/874341290649018368
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miners have historically been really goddamn instrumental in fighting for worker's rights in a lot of countries.
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Chilichimp posted:Eh, they do a dirty job that helped build the industrialized world. It pays poo poo, it's dangerous, and leads to crippling maladies if you managed to survive it. turns out tons of jobs are essential. i have more respect for janitors tbh. everyone appreciates a clean place to poo poo Crabtree posted:It's also arguably better than bagger, cashier, Walmart greeter, fry cook or garbage man that make up the usual rural selection of THE AMERICAN DREAM (TM). that aspect is just that it's one of the very very few decently paying jobs you can get without a degree or continuing education. iirc west virgina's biotech industry is bigger than its coal industry, and west virgina also is a historic center of chemical production
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Aurubin posted:It's sort of a cancerous version of the roots of the American labor movement. Coal miners were some of the first to unionize, because the jobs sucked, the companies were tyrannical, but they were necessary to keep the wheels of the nation turning. So coal miners became a symbol of the hard-working, oppressed worker. Fast forward to today, we pay lip service to their industriousness, while purposefully ignoring the larger issue of worker's rights. It's like how everyone ignores how Martin Luther King Jr. was an avowed socialist. this. it also doesnt help that the dnc abandoned the workers/blue collars in 68 and they were slowly sucked into the right which came to a head in 1970 with the hard hat riot. http://thedollop.libsyn.com/168-the-hard-hat-riot
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Hollismason posted:I've never understood the reverence for coal miners and people who miners have for that job. I guess some sort of familial pride right wing dudes are all about the past glory days and refuse to move forward with the times - be it civil rights or job markets.
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botany posted:miners have historically been really goddamn instrumental in fighting for worker's rights in a lot of countries. It was basically where the whole idea of workplace safety in the states started because of how many goddamn people got killed. I had to do MSHA training to do some consulting work and before its formation they managed to kill the entire population of Wyoming worth of miners.
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I can't wait to drink some Moscow Mules now. Maybe i'll have one during Sessions' senate session.
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boner confessor posted:it's not about the job itself really, it's about proving you're a real manly man who does real manly work to put food on your family's table. everyone agrees coal mining is a lovely job but it's at the center of rural america idolizing hardship and perseverence through hard work and godliness or whatever. it's the same reason exurban redneck dads who make good salaries as a sales rep own giant trucks and buy fishing/hunting gear they never use. basically toxic masculinity, employment edition Trabisnikof posted:Also the idealized "rugged masculinity" coal miner is an underground miner not a surface miner. People aren't envisioning a driver or shovel operator, they're envisioning a small time underground coal miner. yeah thats part of it definitely, though that came around more after the right absorbed the working class. they also used to be at least later on, decent/well paying blue collar jobs and part of family traditions and stuff like good solid unions.
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From Spicer's comments, it sounds like Jeff Sessions is dangerously close to being wished into the cornfield by the impulsive manchild that is currently lording over our collective farm.
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https://twitter.com/isaacstonefish/status/874342988658429952 Oh my god please please please let this happen.
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Just go read any of the articles whining about automation stealing good people's jobs and how it will be the end of america and the ruin of all things and the worst thing ever and then apply that to coal miners like 50 years ago.
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Alter Ego posted:Hooray, we can get back to poisoning the environment and slowly killing thousands of workers for coal that no one wants! dozens of workers, maybe a hundred if your being optimistic
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Goons just love being classist shitheels.
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Aurubin posted:Coal miners were some of the first to unionize, because the jobs sucked, the companies were tyrannical, but they were necessary to keep the wheels of the nation turning. So coal miners became a symbol of the hard-working, oppressed worker. My grandmother grew up in an Illinois coal town that was in the middle of unionizing. To hear her tell it, it was a pretty grim time. People literally doing drive-bys on homes and poo poo. edit: And this is southern Illinois, so no Chicago jokes.
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Crabtree posted:It took him just only 100+ days to make possibly 100 jobs! Most of them might not even be miners! 100 Janitors and gear cleaners that barely make minimum or people that only work under 20 hours for less pay! So basically this is trump way of saying "If you just let me be president forever I will eventually end unemployment, by 1 job a day!"
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah thats part of it definitely, though that came around more after the right absorbed the working class. they also used to be at least later on, decent/well paying blue collar jobs and part of family traditions and stuff like good solid unions. The right only really ever absorbed the White working class and that certainly plays into the way they idealize coal miners.
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socialsecurity posted:I understand that they are morally bankrupt and can do that, what I don't understand are people that continue to support them with obvious evidence of such right in their faces. This is from a few pages ago but it's because Republicans literally do not view hypocrisy as any sort of problem. They do not think it is a bad thing or care about it in any way. This sounds stupid but everything they do makes a whole lot more sense in light of this fact. They'll accuse Democrats of it but that's just because it's 100% team politics for them all the time.
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I dunno if this was mentioned but uhhh https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/874337742406266881
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boner confessor posted:turns out tons of jobs are essential. i have more respect for janitors tbh. everyone appreciates a clean place to poo poo Which is a good part of the voter base, people that might not even have high-school education and are told that one of the best jobs they could realistically get with their skillset and references is logger or miner. Some big burly Macho Job that is clearly being killed by the liberal elite and not because we were so influential and rich that we didn't need that to power our industry or cut our own trees, Canadians and everyone else gave us their silicon and resources to us at a bargain. But listen to us, fine unemployed deplorable, you don't need no resurgence of good book learnin' to chase after the tech fields of today and tomorrow, what you want its cheap hard, horrible labor that you can gloat about to the kid you won't see for weeks on end!
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