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Libluini posted:Are people still complaining about OP T3Ds and how awful Assault Frigates are? Because I had an idea! Or they could just bring the Svipul down to Hecate/Jackdaw levels and remove/apply trade-offs to Interceptor bubble immunity.
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bubble immunity is dumb as gently caress
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gwrtheyrn posted:Its not about warp strength. They want to be able to use a mwd while scrammed which would make them pretty silly. Still wouldn't help them enough for larger fleets though Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you had warp strength equal or greater than the number of incoming points you could still freely warp and use your MWD. I'm not 100% certain of this though, because under most circumstances I actively avoid being in scram range, and should I ever be scrammed my kneejerk reaction is to overheat everything and kill the bastard. OTOH I did lose a rifter duel to Lyris, so...   Reverand maynard posted:bubble immunity is dumb as gently caress 
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Oct 17, 2016 20:02
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i mostly agree that interdiction nullification is bullshit, but the ability to have counterplay to Massive Bubble Forests is important so i've always thought it was a good idea to make interdiction nullification only work for anchored bubbles and dictor/hictor bubbles stop as normal, or have anchored bubbles have a lifetime of 12 hours or something
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Roller Coast Guard posted:Or they could just bring the Svipul down to Hecate/Jackdaw levels and remove/apply trade-offs to Interceptor bubble immunity. This requires a rationale thought process that supercedes the 'I have a dumb idea' 'let's do that' design process which has dominated  since 2003.
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Oct 17, 2016 20:04
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ya having hic bubbles stop interceptors allows counterplay, gently caress never being able to catch those interceptor shits
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:ya having hic bubbles stop interceptors allows counterplay, gently caress never being able to catch those interceptor shits HIC bubbles should stop loving everything. EVERYTHINGGGGGGG
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Oct 17, 2016 20:05
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Xolve posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that if you had warp strength equal or greater than the number of incoming points you could still freely warp and use your MWD. Eve university wiki says it will shut down mwd regardless of warp core strength, which lines up with what I remember
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Oct 17, 2016 20:06
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Orange Red Bull posted:I watched the VOD last night and the chat was full of rmt/casino apologists and pearl clutchers I wouldn't blame people for bowing out of imperium.news or whatever - gently caress, I did - but this appears to just be more of the same. Naturally Mittens is going to lump Niden and CZ and whoever he can in with IWI and the confirmed RMTers... that just makes good political sense. There's a division between TMC's media output and GSF - so I never understood why people who wanted anti-GSF echo chambers didn't just use TMC as a base for facilitating that poo poo. Mittens would probably be happy to host an internet space ship tv show about how he's an rear end in a top hat. And it would probably be funnier than reading chat during these stupid streams. Also there's a serious shortage of EVE blogs atm.
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Oct 17, 2016 20:07
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gwrtheyrn posted:Eve university wiki says it will shut down mwd regardless of warp core strength, which lines up with what I remember EVE Uni wiki also lists RR Battleships as a valid fleet comp. So I remain unconvinced.
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Oct 17, 2016 20:08
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Like, if Interceptor bubble immunity was a module which also doubled your align time it would be pretty reasonable but being able to opt out of PvP at any time if you're not already pointed is weapons-grade horseshit.
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Oct 17, 2016 20:09
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Xolve posted:HIC bubbles should stop loving everything. EVERYTHINGGGGGGG I agree with this because the HIC at least commits to grid since he's stuck there and can't even be repaired. A camp with a Hictor bubble should be able to effect Interceptors. Even if just for the extra "content" of someone dropping on them.
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Oct 17, 2016 20:10
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Zephyrine posted:I agree with this because the HIC at least commits to grid since he's stuck there and can't even be repaired. A camp with a Hictor bubble should be able to effect Interceptors. Even if just for the extra "content" of someone dropping on them. HICs should stop every goddamn thing ever, and it's focused point should apply a velocity penalty to the target.
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Oct 17, 2016 20:14
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Xolve posted:HICs should stop every goddamn thing ever, and it's focused point should apply a velocity penalty to the target. 
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Oct 17, 2016 20:18
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Xolve posted:HICs should stop every goddamn thing ever, and it's focused point should apply a velocity penalty to the target. hell yes
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Oct 17, 2016 20:20
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Just dumpstered a CO2 fleet pretty hard: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=856&b=7255776&e=90&t=uf&ro=51.4 They did take the ihub though, so I guess that 100 bil loss was worth it?
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Oct 17, 2016 20:20
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 #makehictorsgreatagain
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goninzo posted:Just dumpstered a CO2 fleet pretty hard: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=856&b=7255776&e=90&t=uf&ro=51.4  Let me guess, they cry about you using your Titans?
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Oct 17, 2016 20:25
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goninzo posted:Just dumpstered a CO2 fleet pretty hard: http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=856&b=7255776&e=90&t=uf&ro=51.4 that thing isnt loading did PL finally come?
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Yeah they came pretty hard and CO2 took the load.
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Hubbl3 posted:
well really co2 only lost like 15 caps and 90 ahac t3s, so PL+NCDOT lost because we used our super fleet, which is not honourable and no skill
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Oct 17, 2016 20:30
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Oct 17, 2016 20:30
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it seems completely neutral unaffiliated third party is a thing in eve media as well
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i don't get the whole "b-but CZ is neutral  " thingeven if they were, what do they even have to gain from being neutral, there's a ton more goodwill to be made in eve from being vocally against GSF like that is easy money they are just leaving on the table because they're too wimpy to take a side
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Xolve posted:Scram immunity is probably a bit too strong, and immunities themselves are just really lazy design and should be a last resort. My thought was more to keep the MWD running, I don't want people to just ignore scrams totally. I'm not a fan of total immunity anyway, I just went into this with the assumption that CCP wouldn't want to make too radical changes, so I tried to stay inside what I thought CCP was more likely to accept. Alternativly, if letting MWDs be immune to scramming is "too silly" (or more likely, too hard to code for CCP), I thought about this new attempt at sensible propulsion-role bonuses for AFs (if possible, CCP should combine them with the slight nerf to interdiction immunity, see below): Assault Frigate Role Bonuses: 60% reduction in sig bloom of MWDs 20% reduction in cap usage of MWDs 50% speed bonus to afterburners 10% reduction in cap usage of afterburners This makes AFs more mobile without turning them into silly miniature Orthruses and instead allows people to switch to a strong afterburner when scrammed. I'd still prefer my initial idea, but I can see some people abusing neverending super-MWDs with minimal sig bloom. And yeah, I don't want to add to the immunity poo poo-pile myself. Roller Coast Guard posted:Or they could just bring the Svipul down to Hecate/Jackdaw levels and remove/apply trade-offs to Interceptor bubble immunity. Let's not kid ourselves, this will just end in an endless cycle of CCP repeating their errors by nerfing/buffing the same few ships over and over again. Gwyneth Palpate posted:i mostly agree that interdiction nullification is bullshit, but the ability to have counterplay to Massive Bubble Forests is important That would be another way of approaching things in a more sensible manner, but I would suggest to keep at least a resistance to dictor/hictor bubbles. Something like you need 4 dictor and 2 hictor-bubbles overlapping to fully stop an interceptor. Shouldn't be too hard to achieve with some coordination, without rolling the balance too far back into the other direction. The new interdiction immunity would work 100% on anchorable bubbles, but only "partially" on dictor/hictor-bubbles, so a group working together will be able to easily stop and catch inties, but not every lazy git will be able to be his own one-man anti-interceptor gate camp.
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CZ is a 100% owned subsidiary of Pandemic Legion. Their one and only squeaky clean sponsor claim is eve-bet. Built and operated by Van Diemens Demise members, a 2+ year PL corp recently purged for inactivity now landed in nancydot The connections mittens made was: eve-bet [PL] --> CZ, iwantisk --> PL --> CZ
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Libluini posted:That would be another way of approaching things in a more sensible manner, but I would suggest to keep at least a resistance to dictor/hictor bubbles. Something like you need 4 dictor and 2 hictor-bubbles overlapping to fully stop an interceptor. Shouldn't be too hard to achieve with some coordination, without rolling the balance too far back into the other direction. The new interdiction immunity would work 100% on anchorable bubbles, but only "partially" on dictor/hictor-bubbles, so a group working together will be able to easily stop and catch inties, but not every lazy git will be able to be his own one-man anti-interceptor gate camp. Interceptors can keep their immunity to dictor bubbles, but hictors should literally stop loving everything. Because, gently caress you- that's why.
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Orange Red Bull posted:it seems completely neutral unaffiliated third party is a thing in eve media as well So the original soundbyte seems to have just been an offhand comment. Glad to see that DBRB is doubling down on it. Do we maintain some kind of plausible deniability on account of him being a moron? There are plenty of valid criticisms about CZ and Niden and no need to associate them with IWI when they clearly weren't associated. In fact, IIRC the platform Eep used to defend IWI was... TMC? Gwyneth Palpate posted:i don't get the whole "b-but CZ is neutral What the gently caress are you on? TMC's EVE chief is in loving nancy dotte - remember? Not everything has to become politically polarized. I didn't see TMC shutting up about us getting our poo poo pushed in up north - did you berate Mittens or Ryan over that? Niden is allowed to conduct his business as he sees fit, and if he chose to pass up being labeled "that guy who runs that site that hates those bee guys" then so be it. Not that it's hard to imagine why he wouldn't want to run something that's basically a marginalized anti-GSF soapbox. So your problem is that CZ wasn't neutral but are too wimpy to take sides? The inside of your head must be like a Jackson Pollock painting or some poo poo. The only valid criticism I can glean from your post is "now they are bitching about financing, and they had the opportunity to compromise with their values and get more spacebux and they didn't take it". Also gently caress you for making me defend CZ and the shitheads running that show.
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tickets to the gunt show posted:What the gently caress are you on? TMC's EVE chief is in loving nancy dotte - remember? Not everything has to become politically polarized. I didn't see TMC shutting up about us getting our poo poo pushed in up north - did you berate Mittens or Ryan over that? Niden is allowed to conduct his business as he sees fit, and if he chose to pass up being labeled "that guy who runs that site that hates those bee guys" then so be it. Not that it's hard to imagine why he wouldn't want to run something that's basically a marginalized anti-GSF soapbox. uhhhh i didn't mention TMDC in that bit at all, i don't actually know how neutral TMDC is or isn't because i don't read it and am not involved in its operation at all my point is that giving up any thin veneer of pretense for CZ helps them a lot, considering the institutionalized hatred of GSF by literally the rest of the game, and that trying to remain neutral only hamstrings them, and i don't understand why they'd pass up a logical move like that other than just being unwilling to commit to a side
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Here he is defending it so gently caress him and gently caress the PL babies that DBRB is trolling. http://crossingzebras.com/cz-minutes-casino-war/ Niden: I think both Dire and Tarek leveraged good points and I’m not going to repeat them, suffice to say that I agree with them. However, there is one thing I think needs to be said here, a thing that I think it is critical that the community present a clear stance on: If CCP were to legislate somehow against casinos, that would be a mistake of worse proportions than Incarna. So why is this? Well, the very site you are reading right now, along a large number of other sites, podcasts, streamers and in- and out of game events are funded by these sites. We (and I’m not just talking about CZ here, to be clear) don’t have fancy deals with other gaming companies that generate income, we don’t have ingame organisations whose income is intertwined with our own, we live and die with EVE. A large portion of the money spent on casinos goes back into the community, allowing it to create all these wonderful things that we enjoy and that bind us together. Remove casinos the majority of that funding goes away. I think it’s disconcerting that this is not mentioned by the Goons and others pushing this issue, perhaps that has to do with the fact that TMC does not rely on casinos to pay their writers and streamers (yet). We’ve all seen Goon leadership stoop to smear-campaigning gambling sites over the past year or two (even before the war), yet, somehow, now it’s OK that they are launching their own (something they, in fact, have tried to do before as well) – a pretty grotesque double standard if you ask me. Would they be clamoring at the injustice of gambling-funded warfare if it was an offensive of theirs funded by it? I think not. Meanwhile, for many of us, it is the only means we can compensate our writers and content creators for the many hours of hard work they put into it. Essentially, gambling in EVE also means donating to the community, except you actually get a service out of it when you gamble. Because most people, believe it or not, know how to gamble responsibly and get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
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and i don't take above as Niden claiming CZ is funded by casino sites, even though he worded it badly. I don't think CCP would have let the bets finish off if they thought they were rmt'ing. But above is some pretty strong language defending the whole poo poo show.
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guys its the worst mistake in eves history https://twitter.com/Niden_GMVA/status/786204102854258689
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Orange Red Bull posted:guys its the worst mistake in eves history Closing down gambling. Or did something gameplay related happen that I missed?
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Gambling sites give money to the community therefore we cannot close them down because it would be the worst mistake in ccp's history and will destroy the community -niden 2016
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Zephyrine posted:Closing down gambling
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I see variations of this argument from the folks who benefitted from casino isk all the time and they are dumb. No surprise to see it coming from CZ too.Mnoba posted:Essentially, gambling in EVE also means donating to the community, except you actually get a service out of it when you gamble. Because most people, believe it or not, know how to gamble responsibly and get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Correction: gambling means donating to the community, except the house takes a huge cut off the top and receives further benefits from any "donations" it makes (advertising/publicity). How much of IWI's profit got "donated?" 10%? Less? At best IWI served as a sink for the absurd amounts of personal isk swirling around in Eve. Not by design though, it just concentrated isk until the banhammer fell  Rather than gamble 1b, of which 900m goes to Eep/Lenny/etc and 100m goes to some streamer - why not donate 500m directly and you both come out way ahead? Oh wait, it's because anything sponsored by the isk you gambled away is free because pubbie logic.
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i wonder if we'll start to see a plex crash, or if they'll go up now that people aren't using all their isk for gambling it would've been pretty laffo if someone from IWI caught wind of this beforehand, and went and bought out the plex market and gave everyone a free month of eve, just to gently caress with ccp
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the same poo poo happened during t20, people actually said, "well the items weren't free they had buy the mins to make the item on the bpo's" people that play this game are retarded but it's hilarious when it blows up in everyone's face.
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Mnoba posted:the same poo poo happened during t20, people actually said, "well the items weren't free they had buy the mins to make the item on the bpo's" people that play this game are retarded but it's hilarious when it blows up in everyone's face. no you see its different here because they do all these things for the community
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