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Before you even start talking about risk-reward you ought to first make sure that the rewards themselves are balanced among activities. The choices being presented here are: a) do I go solo, and get the full reward for p much zero risk if I tag along with cops? b) do I wing it up with 3 others, have a ton of fun, get the full reward at 1/4 the zero risk? c) do I multicrew with 2 others, have a ton of fun but an insultingly low reward and zero risk? wow i wonder why the gently caress people are calling  outE: the choice between fun or progress is painfully stupid and you're stupid if you defend it
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Mar 30, 2017 11:22
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Mu77ley posted:Then pay the price and stop whining. All praise the brown sea.
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At this point I'm not sure anymore who of you has brown sea-levels of brain damage or is just trolling 
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Chrysophylax posted:Before you even start talking about risk-reward you ought to first make sure that the rewards themselves are balanced among activities.
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Morter posted:I guess you're used to 'not being listened to', but putting Bad Design Choices to the forefront of people's attention helps in getting them fixed. You know, like good developers are supposed to do. Having fixed size bulk deliveries seems like pretty lovely concept in general. It would be a lot better to have them as ongoing contracts with a per-cargo payout, and a Fill Cargo Hold button that you can use as many times you like while the mission is active. Just keep the small couriering missions as one-offs either with fixed cargo or allowing you to fill the cargo hold once. e: Also, maybe have courier missions with strict time limits and interceptions, so you actually get use of a purpose built fast ship. Rectus fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Wouldn't that be something.
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Morter posted:I guess you're used to 'not being listened to', but putting Bad Design Choices to the forefront of people's attention helps in getting them fixed. You know, like good developers are supposed to do. What is it with you guys constantly whining when access to zero-effort money is removed? Why not ask for a button that adds a billion credits every time you hit it?
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Mu77ley posted:What is it with you guys constantly whining when access to zero-effort money is removed? Why not ask for a button that adds a billion credits every time you hit it? can I haz billion spacebuxx pls?
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Mu77ley posted:What is it with you guys constantly whining when access to zero-effort money is removed? Why not ask for a button that adds a billion credits every time you hit it? All praise the brown sea.
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Mu77ley posted:Then pay the price and stop whining. lol trust me friendo, you don't have to reflexively defend bad design decisions 😂
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DancingShade posted:All praise the brown sea. All hail the poo poo-poster. Let me guess, you're one of those guys who uses the console in Skyrim to give yourself billions of gold, and the proceeds to moan about how the game is too easy and the loot in dungeons is not interesting. Fundamentally "progress" in Elite is monetary based. By trivialising the acquisition of money early on in the game, it effectively removes lower tier content from the game. Of course, the spergs hate having to earn their way to higher-end equipment, and instead will use any exploit available to actually avoid playing the game. Mu77ley fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mu77ley posted:All hail the poo poo-poster. orcane posted:At this point I'm not sure anymore who of you has brown sea-levels of brain damage or is just trolling
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Balancing by money works out so well in mmos, just look at eve-o
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Mu77ley posted:All hail the poo poo-poster. Nice meltdown.
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What's the deal with economics and sports jackets? In a free market why do companies pay people different amounts for different tasks? What sport is it?  edit: Mu77ley posted:What is it with you guys constantly whining when access to zero-effort money is removed? Why not ask for a button that adds a billion credits every time you hit it?  
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Drake_263 posted:There was that one point (I want to say something like.. 1.4, when the Vulture was new?) where you could wedge your ship against a friendly capital ship in a combat zone, set your turrets to fire-at-will, and go AFK while the capship killed everything that you aggroed. That one got patched out pretty fast. Yup, that was when capital ships just counted as allied NPCs in combat zones. They "fixed" it by forcing players to get the last hit or be paid absolutely gently caress all, instantly transforming the combat zones with the cool looking capital ships from "I can be fighting near a cool looking capital ship and get paid!" to "ignore all zones that have capital ships, 100% of the time". All the time they spent implementing the capital ships (that look really awesome) instantly in the trash, because now being where they are is actively bad for players. The best part is the payouts weren't even good compared to all the exploits that came later. You were making money slower than RESing but you got to use turrets and have a new combat experience while still making money, obvioulsy a horrible thing that needed to be patched.
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DatonKallandor posted:Yup, that was when capital ships just counted as allied NPCs in combat zones. They "fixed" it by forcing players to get the last hit or be paid absolutely gently caress all, instantly transforming the combat zones with the cool looking capital ships from "I can be fighting near a cool looking capital ship and get paid!" to "ignore all zones that have capital ships, 100% of the time". All the time they spent implementing the capital ships (that look really awesome) instantly in the trash, because now being where they are is actively bad for players. So what you're saying is that it was a free-money exploit, and that you're mad because they patched it
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Trustworthy posted:So what you're saying is that it was a free-money exploit, and that you're mad because they patched it 
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Chrysophylax posted:Guys why are you feeding the troll It's not a troll when it's 100% unironic serious. The brown sea is in this thread  "Oh I was trolling lol" is basically the fumbled hand pass of forum saves.
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DancingShade posted:It's not a troll when it's 100% unironic serious. The brown sea is in this thread Dude literally just got mad because Frontier removed his ability to go take a poo poo while his bank account filled up on its own. The Brown Sea and the Goon Sea are just two oceans on opposite coasts of the continent called Sanity. Trustworthy fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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No I refuse to believe we have unironic forumdads hereTrustworthy posted:Dude literally just got made because Frontier removed his ability to go take a poo poo while his bank account filled up on its own. The Brown Sea and the Goon Sea are just two oceans on opposite coasts of the continent called Sanity. You gave yourself away with that edit, dial it back a bit Chrysophylax fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Chrysophylax posted:No I refuse to believe we have unironic forumdads here I miss your quote posts. On the other hand, it's way more interesting to assume some of the us are unironic forumdads.
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orcane posted:I miss your quote posts. On the other hand, it's way more interesting to assume some of the us are unironic forumdads. Truth be told it just became depressing so I kinda dialed back the brown sea. I am only up to speed with this bullshit because I earnestly tried to give feedback about the beta and the turboautism came in like a freight train. E: A goon put it best: nuking the city to destroy some drug dens. It describes all the stupid nerfs puts in place
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I can understand that, I did some unattributed quotes of Star Shitizens in the past and it quickly became scary so I stopped
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Ugghhhhh. gently caress this game. Every time it looks like they have fixed something or added something fun, they neuter it.
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CountingWizard posted:Ugghhhhh. gently caress this game. Every time it looks like they have fixed something or added something fun, they neuter it. It's still a fun feature, regardless of pay. But yeah Frontier has a long tradition now of making the weirdest decisions possible. Sometimes it works out- like getting Oculus support in one weekend because someone posted a suggestion thread on the main forum. Now it's the premier VR game in existence. It doesn't always work out though- sometimes Braben can't get an idea of of his head and a feature video for a major update is him talking about various skimmers for 30 minutes.
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Mike the TV posted:It's still a fun feature, regardless of pay. But yeah Frontier has a long tradition now of making the weirdest decisions possible. Sometimes it works out- like getting Oculus support in one weekend because someone posted a suggestion thread on the main forum. Now it's the premier VR game in existence. It doesn't always work out though- sometimes Braben can't get an idea of of his head and a feature video for a major update is him talking about various skimmers for 30 minutes. Again, this: it doesn't remove the fun. Everyone is frustrated because multicrew is now another addition to a long list of activities that only really open up and become fun when you are so rich that you don't care about spacemoney...
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Mu77ley posted:All hail the poo poo-poster. Grind isn't content. Time sinks are not progression. This is not Skyrim. In Elite, there are no rich side quests and micro-adventures that you enjoy before getting into a midrange ship. There is only sunk time. Unlike you, I'm not going to make a lovely post full of sweeping assumptions about your character to try and explain the fact that you are stubbornly clinging to this false equivalency (and doing it with a gloriously Dunning-Kruger level of conviction). But if I were to do that, I would probably point out that most people who insist that time sunk = skill and grind = content are sad motherfuckers with nothing else to do with their time and want its waste validated.  P.S. Your posts have been unilaterally poo poo, please stop trying to call out people who have been playing since launch and have a justified history of frustration with these development choices.
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Your Loyal Vizier posted:P.S. Your posts have been unilaterally poo poo, please stop trying to call out people who have been playing since launch and have a justified history of frustration with these development choices. Pot. meet kettle. Also, if you're going to use a ridiculous "I've been playing longer than you" argument like a typical 12 year old, I've been playing single Alpha 1. So by your rules that should mean my opinion has more weight than yours. Also, my dad is bigger than your dad! In conclusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08 Mu77ley fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Again, this: it doesn't remove the fun. Everyone is frustrated because multicrew is now another addition to a long list of activities that only really open up and become fun when you are so rich that you don't care about spacemoney... Question: What effect does killing ships have other than earning money or cargo? Last I heard faction stuff was still gimped and broken; with player actions not providing any sort of measurable effect unless performed enmasse.
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I had fun the first ~30 hours playing around in my sidewinder and eagle doing data missions and loving around in RESes. I saved up a few million to afford a Keelback with a jump range that could get me to Quince, and grinded around 50 million to outfit the KB like I wanted and also buy a Vulture and kit it out. I can recommend my experience of the game to any newbies, just enough playtime to get familiar with the game and then an easy enough exploit to actually play however you want to play. And I mean yeah you could grind up to a billion credits, but that's boring and I don't need a bigship yet anyways
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Mu77ley posted:Pot. meet kettle. wow you are a spectacularly bad poster Look out knifegrab someone's coming for your crown!
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:wow you are a spectacularly bad poster 
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The early game experience is great, but the great parts have nothing to do with progression. Literally every magic learning moment that I can remember from my early game (getting my first cockpit shot out, running out of fuel, learning to fight, trying to fight a player pirate and learning what railguns are) would have been every bit as magical in an Asp as they were in my Viper. THAT is the content in Elite, and it has abso-loving-lutely nothing to do with what ship you're sitting in, or how many spacebucks you have. Afaik every person criticizing this decision has more credits than god at this point, I don't think it's reasonable to claim they're entitled babies just thinking about themselves. This is genuinely about the new player experience, Fdev's weird track record of loving it immediately after fixing it, and the forum dads' weird insistence that it has to stay in its current state just because a bunch of broken goons and brown sea posters managed to find enjoyment in it anyway Edit: why do we call them forum dads? This feels unfair to dads everywhere. Unsinkabear fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Your Loyal Vizier posted:Edit: why do we call them forum dads? This feels unfair to dads everywhere. Because when you try and say something is dumb and broken they pretend to be your dad and give you a lecture on how it builds character or some poo poo.
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Your Loyal Vizier posted:Afaik every person criticizing this decision has more credits than god at this point, I don't think it's reasonable to claim they're entitled babies just thinking about themselves. Case in point, I have no use for the money myself. What I care about is multicrew being worthwhile so my friends actually want to play the game at all. Friends who are not hopeless space spergs like me who will continually put up with this bullshit because "spaceships  ".
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Trustworthy posted:What's the deal with economics and sports jackets? In a free market why do companies pay people different amounts for different tasks? What sport is it? Are you implying there's an economy in this game. Oh, and did you forget that the pictures have to do with rank?
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