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Oct 16, 2018 17:51
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Yes, she was a Nosferatu. It's quite well established.
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Oct 16, 2018 17:59
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Notably apparently the Nictuku that killed her was named Vasilia so the question is whether she had that name beforehand and was just nicely mythically resonant, or if she took it -after- because, you know, she killed Baba Yaga.
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Oct 16, 2018 19:06
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Loomer posted:Yes, she was a Nosferatu. It's quite well established. Even had a childe that showed up in Transylvania by Night, Gutka the Good.* *Narrator's voice: She was not. I remember her getting eaten now, at the end of an pre-written Vampire adventure where the PCs got to stand around and watch. I mean, crap, I'd at least give that to some Garou'd been breaking their necks and killing dragons and whatever else in Russia to bring her down.
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Oct 17, 2018 01:12
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I think you've forgotten that the Garou are poo poo and will never accomplish anything of worth or even aesthetic value.
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Oct 17, 2018 03:56
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The most effective modern Garou are, of course, the Bone Gnawers and their kinfolk. Not even a joke - when you track the events they're responsible for, Bone Gnawers get plenty of kills in on the bane enemies and they do it while not trying to rule everyone in power games, feeding the urban poor and trying to protect them from predation, and sponsoring/producing as kinfolk a number of major environmental reformers. It's the full trifecta: Kill the enemy, keep the enemy from growing stronger (desperation and hunger creates banes and fomori like nothing else), and bring humanity back to the right way of thinking. Bone Gnawers: The One Good Tribe.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:01
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Bone Gnawers have basically figured out that evolving into dogs was a legitimate survival strategy for wolves and was also a much better way to influence humans, anyway.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:07
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The Bone Gnawers are too weak and pathetic to bother paying attention to, which is why being killed by them comes as an hilarious surprise to basically everybody. And while the other tribes generally have standards and bloodlines and feuds and so on, if you're good enough for Gaia, you're good enough for the Bone Gnawers, the Only Good Tribe. e: And not just the urban poor, the BGs have plenty of rural kinfolk living in places where industry has withdrawn and farming jobs have been mostly swallowed up by automation. As things get worse, they only become more important and more influential.
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Oct 17, 2018 04:18
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Yeah, the Baba Yaga storyline is pretty fuckin' horrid, really. But then, Absimilliard is a massive dickhead, so who could be surprised there.
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Oct 17, 2018 06:24
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I'm not too up on my Werewolf (Apocalypse or Forsaken) lore. Aren't the Glass Walkers a "good" tribe as well? Or are they tainted by too much proximity to the Weaver? Also just in time for Halloween there is a really good Wraith CYOA here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3866856&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Come vote for our Fetters!
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Oct 17, 2018 06:29
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The point being every Werewolf Tribe is corrupted, just in it's own way. There isn't a single Tribe who isn't failing their role for Gaia in some capacity.
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Oct 17, 2018 06:31
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Helical Nightmares posted:I'm not too up on my Werewolf (Apocalypse or Forsaken) lore. Aren't the Glass Walkers a "good" tribe as well? Or are they tainted by too much proximity to the Weaver? Yeah, they're the "punky modernists that everyone else is a little leery of because oWoD is streaked with maybe-not-so-ironic conservatism." In the Wild West they were the Iron Riders, because trains, and before that the Warders of Men (focused on just sort of "managing" humanity), which makes more sense than either of their subsequent names/themes but still is kind of pretty dumb.
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Oct 17, 2018 06:34
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The Glass Walkers also had major business ties to Pentex for decades and are unironic believers in free market capitalism as a solution to environmental problems.
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Oct 17, 2018 06:39
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Loomer posted:The Glass Walkers also had major business ties to Pentex for decades and are unironic believers in free market capitalism as a solution to environmental problems. The wyld/weaver/wyrm thing did have its limits, though now I wonder if there were ever dudes on the internet arguing that Actually, The Weaver is Good, because while losing Wyld contact is bad, it can be bad in too large of a dose, and the Wyrm is always bad so therefore 
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Oct 17, 2018 07:00
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That Old Tree posted:In the Wild West they were the Iron Riders, because trains, and before that the Warders of Men (focused on just sort of "managing" humanity), which makes more sense than either of their subsequent names/themes but still is kind of pretty dumb. What they did with their tribal scratch-logo was pretty cute. It's like a ladder shape, and every time they changed tribal moniker it added another rung, so it went from a hut to a rail track to a skyscraper.
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Oct 17, 2018 07:22
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Nessus posted:I don't think the Pentex thing is right, I think you're thinking of the Technocratic Syndicate. The latter part fair enough although I'm not sure if that was ever explicit for them. No, they really did have business ties to Pentex. Rage Across Australia, page 73. It was exposed by the Children of Gaia in the late 1950s.
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Oct 17, 2018 07:26
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I'm bad at wolflore so I wanna correct a thing: Did Forsaken wolves do the thing where they tried to openly rule over humanity, or was that something that only happened in Apocalypse?
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Oct 17, 2018 11:22
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Crasical posted:I'm bad at wolflore so I wanna correct a thing: Did Forsaken wolves do the thing where they tried to openly rule over humanity, or was that something that only happened in Apocalypse? Only in Apocalypse. Forsaken Wolves' lost glorious civilisation was when their home dimension still existed and they could go live in it apart from humanity.
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Oct 17, 2018 12:10
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Soonmot posted:
Ah, so this is how Sanders got that bird to land on his podium.
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Oct 17, 2018 12:11
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Only in Apocalypse. Forsaken Wolves' lost glorious civilisation was when their home dimension still existed and they could go live in it apart from humanity. Also before Dad got sick, had to be put down like Old Yeller and they had to do his dang job forever.
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Oct 17, 2018 12:55
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I've forgotten huge chunks of oWoD lore, so forgive a simple question but: what was the Wyrm before it went nuts again? Was it just a "good" destruction element, something representing natural mortality / entropy, or did it have a whole different aspect? And on a similar note: what was behind the Wyrm going crazy? I remember the Weaver tried to trap it and that's what caused it to go evil, but why did that happen in the first place? Just the Weaver overstepping it's bounds? Some kind of "well if nothing dies everything will be perfect and static forever" justification?
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Oct 17, 2018 14:45
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As I recall, respectively: the "Balance Wyrm" was, as you say, a natural force of mortality and entropy, things ending as part of the natural cycle of life so that there would be room for new things to take their place; and pretty much, the Weaver overstepped its bounds because it liked its things where they were and didn't want to lose them to the natural cycle.
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Oct 17, 2018 14:52
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The Triat in their original form were basically a Middle Class White Kid understanding of the Creator->Preserver->Destroyer cycle of the Hinduisms slammed head first into a Captain Planet cartoon.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:00
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Mors Rattus posted:The Triat in their original form were basically a Middle Class White Kid understanding of the Creator->Preserver->Destroyer cycle of the Hinduisms slammed head first into a Captain Planet cartoon. Yeah, this is how I came to my reasonably close correct guess. My line of thinking was "what the hell was the Wyrm before it went all evil? Hmm, they probably just cribbed off of Hinduism." I also like your description of that understanding as "Middle Class White Kid" because a) I distinctly remember learning it in eight grade in my Middle Class (slightly less than the stereotype but still largely) White school and b) I still don't know much more about Hinduism than that. It's like a very serious gap in my Important World Religions knowledge, and I learn about that poo poo in my spare time for fun. Anyway, thanks guys!
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Oct 17, 2018 15:09
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Loomer posted:No, they really did have business ties to Pentex. Rage Across Australia, page 73. It was exposed by the Children of Gaia in the late 1950s. Aha, see, that's the problem. because Rage Across Australia is incredibly bad and inconsistent with the rest of the White Wolf books as a whole. One of the first things I point to is that the sample black spiral pack included in the book has two fertile metis. I could go on but that's really all you need to know. Digital Osmosis posted:I've forgotten huge chunks of oWoD lore, so forgive a simple question but: what was the Wyrm before it went nuts again? Was it just a "good" destruction element, something representing natural mortality / entropy, or did it have a whole different aspect? The triat as it was supposed to work, was that the Wyld took stuff and turned it into things, the Weaver took things and gave them proper form and purpose, and the Wyrm took things that had lived too long or no longer served their purpose and turned it back into stuff. The Weaver got annoyed that the Wyrm was destroying all it's things so it decided to wrap the Wyrm up in webs so that things never had to be destroyed. But the Wyrm got really really annoyed at this and corrupted the webs, which also drove the Weaver insane so it decided to start walling off the Wyld as well (which,if it were successfull, would mean that it no longer had Things either).
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Oct 17, 2018 15:10
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Oh I know. I've spent plenty of time ranting about it myself before.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:11
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Kurieg posted:Aha, see, that's the problem. because Rage Across Australia is incredibly bad and inconsistent with the rest of the White Wolf books as a whole. One of the first things I point to is that the sample black spiral pack included in the book has two fertile metis. I almost want to read it for the cringe factor, but at the same time like a lot of books from that era it seems to leap headlong over the line from 'amusingly dopey' to 'bottomlessly awful.'
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Oct 17, 2018 15:17
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Loomer posted:Oh I know. I've spent plenty of time ranting about it myself before. I also love the bit where the group of cubs fresh off their first change ascend to the Jindabyne Council to fill open spots since the rest of them are so incredibly incompetent. I mean the Shadow Lord Leader's idea of 'stealth and subterfuge' is airdropping a squad of mercenaries into the middle of the cairn to kill the other members of the council. Dawgstar posted:I almost want to read it for the cringe factor, but at the same time like a lot of books from that era it seems to leap headlong over the line from 'amusingly dopey' to 'bottomlessly awful.' http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/kurieg/rage-across-australia/
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Oct 17, 2018 15:22
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Dawgstar posted:I almost want to read it for the cringe factor, but at the same time like a lot of books from that era it seems to leap headlong over the line from 'amusingly dopey' to 'bottomlessly awful.' It has a cannibal Italian pasta grandma, all the aboriginal werewolves are dead (and now enraged angry ghosts) and it features at least one monument described that doesn't actually exist. Oh, and it had the Werewolf Genome Project and its accompanying CYBERWOLVES
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Oct 17, 2018 15:24
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Also it posits that the reason why the Garou killed all the bunyip is that they were jealous of their absolutely massive dicks(due to them being both black and marsupials, apparently. Nevermind that marsupial penises are incredibly hosed up things). And places that revelation opposite this piece of art.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:37
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That Old Tree posted:Yeah, they're the "punky modernists that everyone else is a little leery of because oWoD is streaked with maybe-not-so-ironic conservatism." You forgot the Tetrasomians.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:38
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MonsieurChoc posted:You forgot the Tetrasomians. Everyone forgets them because they were never actually playable in any product.
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Oct 17, 2018 15:40
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Kurieg posted:Everyone forgets them because they were never actually playable in any product. Technicality. Are we nerds or simply players!?
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Oct 17, 2018 16:59
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MonsieurChoc posted:Technicality. Are we nerds or simply players!? Dancers.
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Oct 17, 2018 17:28
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I'm so bored with refining Werewolf stuff. The only upshot is it's the final major one. There's also the spirits file and the final passes but those are much smaller issues.
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Oct 17, 2018 17:39
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Kurieg posted:Also it posits that the reason why the Garou killed all the bunyip is that they were jealous of their absolutely massive dicks(due to them being both black and marsupials, apparently. Nevermind that marsupial penises are incredibly hosed up things). And places that revelation opposite this piece of art. On a lighter note, reading the F&F it reminds one it's best to keep all Garou population statistics in the hands of the ST because there's 'a dying race' and then there's 'all the Wyrm has to do is sneeze and take over the place.'
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Oct 17, 2018 17:48
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Dawgstar posted:On a lighter note, reading the F&F it reminds one it's best to keep all Garou population statistics in the hands of the ST because there's 'a dying race' and then there's 'all the Wyrm has to do is sneeze and take over the place.' I feel like after many of Loomers posts about populations (bless you, you mad man) it's best to just shrug and say "Yeah, this is how many of X is here" as a ST than try to run with WW numbers because it's a lot less complicated.
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Oct 17, 2018 17:52
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For comparison, the nWolf take on Australia is largely that it is one of the chiller places to be a werewolf because there's a whole lot of big spirits that are really angry and so you can always go out and fight one. Unless you go near Alice Springs, which is a hellhole and has crazy Fire-Touched.
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Oct 17, 2018 17:53
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joylessdivision posted:I feel like after many of Loomers posts about populations (bless you, you mad man) it's best to just shrug and say "Yeah, this is how many of X is here" as a ST than try to run with WW numbers because it's a lot less complicated. It's a lesson even WW learned by about, uh, around 1997-8, when they stopped going 'there are exactly 20 black furies in this town, and 7 bone gnawers there, and...' and just went 'yeah there's like, 200 or some poo poo, who knows. Here are the interesting ones, make the rest up, change it however you need'.
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Loomer posted:It's a lesson even WW learned by about, uh, around 1997-8, when they stopped going 'there are exactly 20 black furies in this town, and 7 bone gnawers there, and...' and just went 'yeah there's like, 200 or some poo poo, who knows. Here are the interesting ones, make the rest up, change it however you need'. Admittedly my eyes glazed over trying to process most of the posts about populations because Holy poo poo is it a lot of numbers that don't mean much to me, but I loved the apocalypse scenario posts you did. If you're gonna throw numbers at me, give me some cool bullshit to go with it, like the ill conceived Time of Judgement stuff. That was legit some of the most entertaining stuff I read in this thread (besides the train wreck saga of Beast). Your madness has given me plenty to read Loomer and I appreciate it.
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