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Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Magic Story Summary

* Jace is loving crazy now.
* Emrakul.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 20:30

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 16:05

Fingers McLongDong: Nov 30, 2005; not eromenos; Fun Shoe

Pontius Pilate posted:

Pauper chat: was looking at u delver lists and there's a divide on 0 dazes or 4 dazes it seems. Is that just because daze is stupid expensive on modo and I should be jamming 4 in my paper deck? Because I feel as if I should be jamming 4 dazes in my paper list.

This is basically the entire reason, you never see daze in lists because the lists are reported from modo results and daze is stupid expensive on modo. Deck is playable with or without daze.

Has anyone done any more testing with any g/b delirium lists for standard? Deck looks like it has decent payoffs.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 20:35

Dehtraen: Jul 30, 2004; Keep the faith alive

Pontius Pilate posted:

Pauper chat: was looking at u delver lists and there's a divide on 0 dazes or 4 dazes it seems. Is that just because daze is stupid expensive on modo and I should be jamming 4 in my paper deck? Because I feel as if I should be jamming 4 dazes in my paper list.

Yep, stupid expensive online. People are (or were) using force spike as a replacement. I like daze over force spike in most situations and people never play around the first daze in paper pauper.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 20:36

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Skyl3lazer posted:

Declaration in Stone is bad for the same reason Clique and Thought-Knot Seer are bad, taking the best card your opponent has and replacing it with a random card isn't ever something you'd want to do.

Those sure are two cards that do not result in card disadvantage like DiS does.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 20:52

suicidesteve: Jan 4, 2006; "Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.

Edit: NM.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 20:56

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

e: yeah whatever.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 20:57

PleasantDirge: Sep 7, 2009; ASK ME ABOUT HOW NOT BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE ON THE ROAD IS JUST LIKE BEING A JEW AT A NAZI GATHERING BECAUSE I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO NOT BE A FUCKING ASSHOLE AND WHEN PEOPLE TREAT ME LIKE I'M A FUCKING ASSHOLE THAT IS JUST LIKE GENOCIDE

Dehtraen posted:

I like daze over force spike in most situations and people never play around the first daze in paper pauper.

This is why you play daze in pauper. Cards is awesome and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:01

Network42: Oct 23, 2002

Speaking of pauper, I'm putting together the freed from the real deck, and this sweet eggs deck, tell me some more sweet pauper brews.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:04

Panderfringe: Sep 12, 2011; yospos

Angry Grimace posted:

Magic Story Summary

* Jace is loving crazy now.
* Emrakul.

Whaaaaat? Man that's lame.

EDIT: I guess that kind of describes every one of the Magic fiction stuff. Though I will admit I did enjoy the one with the two hunters and Arlin Kord in it, and the toad one.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:13

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

The definitively correct number of Declarations is easier found in Magic Duels (max 2), updating in a few hours with Shadows and Oath cards.

[thread]

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:18

Mikujin: May 25, 2010; (also a lightning rod)

I might be playing in a sealed GPT this weekend but didn't do any SoI prerelease stuff: anything in particular I should be aware of? Any cards look bad but perform well (or vice versa)?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:18

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

Mikujin posted:

I might be playing in a sealed GPT this weekend but didn't do any SoI prerelease stuff: anything in particular I should be aware of? Any cards look bad but perform well (or vice versa)?

The 4/4 vampire that flips to hexproof unblockable is loving insane. If you get that you slam that color.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:19

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Drafting Snowlands

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:21

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Sickening posted:

The 4/4 vampire that flips to hexproof unblockable is loving insane. If you get that you slam that color.

Even without madness cards?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:21

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Mikujin posted:

I might be playing in a sealed GPT this weekend but didn't do any SoI prerelease stuff: anything in particular I should be aware of? Any cards look bad but perform well (or vice versa)?

It's hard to make the synergies work in sealed. Don't try to play delirium. Madness is possible but you really have to have a great pool. White is the best and deepest color.

Rinkles posted:

Even without madness cards?

Yes. The card is impossible to interact with.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:23

Fallorn: Apr 14, 2005

Rinkles posted:

Even without madness cards?

With equipment/enchantments it just gets better because it just puts your opponent on a clock. It's hexproof and indestructible and if need be flip it back and forth to just mess up your opponents day.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:28

Shrecknet: Jan 2, 2005

Autocard Anywhere reminded me of Lost Soul, which is a pretty bad card. In fact, it's been strictly-bettered at least 3 times.

Lost Soul -> Bog Smugglers -> Sewer Shambler -> Bog Raiders / Raiding Nightstalker / Zodiac Snake -> Blistergrub -> (arguably) Mire Boa.

Is there any other card that was so bad that there was room on the pole to incrementally increase its quality that many times?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:36

Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

Everblight posted:

Autocard Anywhere reminded me of Lost Soul, which is a pretty bad card. In fact, it's been strictly-bettered at least 3 times.

Lost Soul -> Bog Smugglers -> Sewer Shambler -> Bog Raiders / Raiding Nightstalker / Zodiac Snake -> Blistergrub -> (arguably) Mire Boa.

Is there any other card that was so bad that there was room on the pole to incrementally increase its quality that many times?

Serra Angel :haw:

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:38

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Dunno exactly what I'm doing other than "draft Disciple of Tevesh Szat"

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:39

Yawgmoth: Sep 10, 2003; This post is cursed!

Zoness posted:

Serra Angel

Jackal Pup. :haw:

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:39

Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Angry Grimace posted:

Dunno exactly what I'm doing other than "draft Disciple of Tevesh Szat"

Zombie Mushers and Frost Raptors are pretty good, as I recall.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:40

Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

Yawgmoth posted:

Jackal Pup.

Kird Ape

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:46

Shrecknet: Jan 2, 2005

Yawgmoth posted:

Jackal Pup.

Strictly better, though? I can only think of Firedrinker Satyr and Falkenrath Gorger.

Zoness posted:

Serra Angel

There's surprisingly few! (Archangel Avacyn, Origins Avacyn, Chromanticore (arguable due to extreme mana requirement) and Herald of the Host

# ? Apr 6, 2016 21:49

Stormgale: Feb 27, 2010

mcmagic posted:

Yes. The card is impossible to interact with.

When I resolved it the only games I lost were to Avacyn (and some lifelink) when I got outraced, that card seriously is bonkers.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:10

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

Everblight posted:

Autocard Anywhere reminded me of Lost Soul, which is a pretty bad card. In fact, it's been strictly-bettered at least 3 times.

Lost Soul -> Bog Smugglers -> Sewer Shambler -> Bog Raiders / Raiding Nightstalker / Zodiac Snake -> Blistergrub -> (arguably) Mire Boa.

Is there any other card that was so bad that there was room on the pole to incrementally increase its quality that many times?

There's a loooot of creatures strictly better than Craw Wurm these days, but it took a surprisingly long while to get the first one, especially below rare.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:16

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Entropic posted:

There's a loooot of creatures strictly better than Craw Wurm these days, but it took a surprisingly long while to get the first one, especially below rare.

Craw Wurm is the best card though.

-Me, 1994.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:20

Lottery of Babylon: Apr 25, 2012; STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Everblight posted:

Autocard Anywhere reminded me of Lost Soul, which is a pretty bad card. In fact, it's been strictly-bettered at least 3 times.

Lost Soul -> Bog Smugglers -> Sewer Shambler -> Bog Raiders / Raiding Nightstalker / Zodiac Snake -> Blistergrub -> (arguably) Mire Boa.

Is there any other card that was so bad that there was room on the pole to incrementally increase its quality that many times?

Are there any creature cards from Legends that are strong enough that there isn't room to make them incrementally stronger several times?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:27

Zoness: Jul 24, 2011; Talk to the hand.; Grimey Drawer

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Are there any creature cards from Legends that are strong enough that there isn't room to make them incrementally stronger several times?

edit: also

Zoness fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Apr 6, 2016

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:30

Bugsy: Jul 15, 2004; I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.; Slippery Tilde

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Are there any creature cards from Legends that are strong enough that there isn't room to make them incrementally stronger several times?

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:39

Soul Glo: Aug 27, 2003; Just let it shine through

If you cast a Lead by Example and choose to bolster a wolf, would Silverfur Partisan spit out a 2/2 or not? I could see it going either way since the effect of Lead by Example is Support 2, but I'm not sure if that counts as "targeting" a wolf.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:46

MiddleEastBeast: Jan 19, 2003; Forum Bully

Mikujin posted:

I might be playing in a sealed GPT this weekend but didn't do any SoI prerelease stuff: anything in particular I should be aware of? Any cards look bad but perform well (or vice versa)?

If you're in green and open Confront the Unknown, play it and be happy. LSV called it the card that overperformed the most from his initial evaluation and Owen also commented it being good.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 22:47

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

The chain I've seen is Mystic Denial < Cancel < Stoic Rebuttal < Counterspell < Mana Drain

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:03

BizarroAzrael: Apr 6, 2006; "That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Okay, so I have a standard PPTQ Sunday. It's their first one and I might say I think a standard event at that level a day after rotation is a mistake, but whatever.

I don't have much SOI yet, was previously on Abzan and also played Mardu Dragons for a while. Have Sylvan Advocate, CoCo, Drana, Gideon, Thunderbreak, Kolaghan, Kolaghan Command, Dromoka command, Hangarback, red Sarkhan and Kalitas. I was thinking BR dragons but I feel like there might be a good GW deck, or try something like BG Coco and finally use Drana.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:06

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

Soul Glo posted:

If you cast a Lead by Example and choose to bolster a wolf, would Silverfur Partisan spit out a 2/2 or not? I could see it going either way since the effect of Lead by Example is Support 2, but I'm not sure if that counts as "targeting" a wolf.

Look in the italicized reminder text of Lead by Example, it says "up to two target creatures", so you would get a 2/2 wolf.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:09

Soul Glo: Aug 27, 2003; Just let it shine through

Chamale posted:

Look in the italicized reminder text of Lead by Example, it says "up to two target creatures", so you would get a 2/2 wolf.

Welp, yeah, "target creature" should've tipped me off. Thanks.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:18

dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

Sickening posted:

The 4/4 vampire that flips to hexproof unblockable is loving insane. If you get that you slam that color.

Also Ken Nagle made the card because of Symphony of the Night, which owns

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:18

Lottery of Babylon: Apr 25, 2012; STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Soul Glo posted:

bolster a wolf

If it were Bolster, you wouldn't get a token. Luckily it's Support.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:28

Sickening: Jul 16, 2007; Black summer was the best summer.

BizarroAzrael posted:

Okay, so I have a standard PPTQ Sunday. It's their first one and I might say I think a standard event at that level a day after rotation is a mistake, but whatever.

I don't have much SOI yet, was previously on Abzan and also played Mardu Dragons for a while. Have Sylvan Advocate, CoCo, Drana, Gideon, Thunderbreak, Kolaghan, Kolaghan Command, Dromoka command, Hangarback, red Sarkhan and Kalitas. I was thinking BR dragons but I feel like there might be a good GW deck, or try something like BG Coco and finally use Drana.

Here is an azban decklist from gerry thompson, it might be bad.

Creatures (14)

2 Den Protector
3 Mindwrack Demon
4 Sylvan Advocate
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2 The Gitrog Monster
Planeswalkers (2)

1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
Lands (25)

5 Forest
1 Plains
7 Swamp
3 Evolving Wilds
4 Hissing Quagmire
4 Llanowar Wastes
1 Shambling Vent
Spells (19)

2 Dead Weight
4 Grasp of Darkness
2 To the Slaughter
2 Ultimate Price
2 Languish
2 Read the Bones
2 Ruinous Path
3 Traverse the Ulvenwald
Sideboard

1 Dead Weight
1 Virulent Plague
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
1 Dark Petition
2 Duress
1 Flaying Tendrils
1 Languish
3 Pick the Brain
1 Read the Bones
1 Seasons Past

there are g/w megamorph decks running around I don't have any experience playtesting.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-megamorph-soi/

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/395881#online

In all honesty the power of these decks appears to be with dromoka's command and wrath resiliance. No clue how good these are going to be.

# ? Apr 6, 2016 23:36

Shrecknet: Jan 2, 2005

dragon enthusiast posted:

Also Ken Nagle made the card because of Symphony of the Night, which owns

Clarifying point: It is Symphony of the Night that owns, not Ken Nagle

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Fingers McLongDong: Nov 30, 2005; not eromenos; Fun Shoe

Sickening posted:

Here is an azban decklist from gerry thompson, it might be bad.

Creatures (14)

2 Den Protector
3 Mindwrack Demon
4 Sylvan Advocate
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2 The Gitrog Monster
Planeswalkers (2)

1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
Lands (25)

5 Forest
1 Plains
7 Swamp
3 Evolving Wilds
4 Hissing Quagmire
4 Llanowar Wastes
1 Shambling Vent
Spells (19)

2 Dead Weight
4 Grasp of Darkness
2 To the Slaughter
2 Ultimate Price
2 Languish
2 Read the Bones
2 Ruinous Path
3 Traverse the Ulvenwald
Sideboard

1 Dead Weight
1 Virulent Plague
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
1 Dark Petition
2 Duress
1 Flaying Tendrils
1 Languish
3 Pick the Brain
1 Read the Bones
1 Seasons Past

there are g/w megamorph decks running around I don't have any experience playtesting.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gw-megamorph-soi/

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/395881#online

In all honesty the power of these decks appears to be with dromoka's command and wrath resiliance. No clue how good these are going to be.

I was working with a delirium decklist and wanted to play both sylvan advocate and gitrog monster but I was worried they'd be too much of a nonbo together. Need to test that.

# ? Apr 7, 2016 00:27

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