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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I know it's fun to believe this small-town hairdresser with no formal education was able to cook something up in his garage that would change the world, but it's clearly a sham. Solice Kirsk posted:Or maybe he invented an uncookable egg. 
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Puseklepp posted:He did let a couple companies run tests on it though, including a subdivision of the British ministry of defense. If it's a fraud there's a lot of people in on it. Heh, anyone who has even been vaguely in contact with the BMoD procurement process knows that's no guarantee of anything...
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Regardless of it being real or not, there now exists various kinds of similar substances that mimic the original in form and function. If it was fake, it's science fiction made real. We already have handheld communicators, we're slowly developing replicator technology, and now we have this cool, light stuff that has enormous potential as costs of making it go down. If it was real, same as above except the inventor of the first generation of aerogels really, really hosed himself and his family over.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos Just read about this lake in a book about poisons. "A pocket of magma lies beneath the lake and leaks carbon dioxide (CO2) into the water, changing it into carbonic acid. Nyos is one of only three known exploding lakes to be saturated with carbon dioxide in this way, the others being Lake Monoun, also in Cameroon, and Lake Kivu in Democratic Republic of Congo. On August 21, 1986, possibly as the result of a landslide, Lake Nyos suddenly emitted a large cloud of CO2, which suffocated 1,700 people and 3,500 livestock in nearby towns and villages."
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Wiggles Von Huggins posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos I have a friend from Cameroon who lived not far from the lake when that happened. He said that has happened more than once, but I'm not clear on whether it was the same lake, or another with heavy CO2 concentration. It may have been that previous incidents only killed livestock, I don't recall the details.
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Literally Kermit posted:If it was real, same as above except the inventor of the first generation of aerogels really, really hosed himself and his family over. 
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Jan 12, 2015 02:03
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Pilchenstein posted:According to wikipedia, aerogels were invented in the thirties but I'm sure I remember them being invented just a few years ago? Am I a time-wizard or something? gently caress this thread, I don't know which way is up anymore. Probably just the difference between invention and ability to produce it effectively/economically enough for actual use.
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FrozenVent posted:People making shows for Discovery and History manage it every day somehow. Hey man, watch it. If it weren't for the History channel, I would never have known that people thousands of years ago were completely inept and incapable of understanding math, science, astronomy, and rational thought. Monuments built over multiple generations is just way too advanced for those primitive nincompoops. Calendars based on the movements on the stars and planets were clearly influenced by some outside source. I mean did they even know there WERE planets back then???????? What a bunch of drooling troglodytes.
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I remember seeing a show on that and it was creepy as hell. One of the survivors mentioned he was just riding his bike into the village like any other day and just coming across house after house filled with dead people and dogs. They also showed the investigators taking a sample from lower parts of the lake and it was just foam like shaken soda pop. The pressure tube they installed to bleed out the carbon looks neat though. Just a geyser of foam straight into the air. Darkhold has a new favorite as of 10:14 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/09/angry-ghost-chases-after-car-in-lancashire-5015310/ The Blackburn Ghost! Kind of amusingly creepy. I think I would have ran it over.
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Wiggles Von Huggins posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos I remember one of the chemistry exams I sat in high school had a question about this. I think we had to write an answer on why it was so deadly or something, and we had to mention something about the density of CO2 and the topography of the area. I couldn't sleep that night, thinking about a big cloud of CO2 coming and choking me and everyone I loved to death and not being able to escape it because it's so dense 
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Jan 12, 2015 10:00
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We live on a planet with exploding lakes. That's pretty cool.
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Jan 12, 2015 11:19
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Lake Nyos chat There's a good BBC documentary on this somewhere on Youtube. There is also a segment on this in 10 Things You Never Knew About Volcanoes, also Youtube (it's better than it sounds). Apparently gaseous nitrogen is deadly the same way CO2 is. There was some thread where this was discussed. If you knock over a container of liquid nitrogen in an enclosed space get out quick. The cold won't hurt you (apparently you can actually briefly dip your fingers in liquid nitrogen and not be harmed) but the gaseous nitrogen displaces the regular air mixture and causes suffocation. There was a podcast where someone talked about a balls up with dry ice or liquid nitrogen, where they poured into a hot tub at a party and the gas knocked people unconscious. No deaths I think but it was close...
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Jan 12, 2015 11:26
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:There was a podcast where someone talked about a balls up with dry ice or liquid nitrogen, where they poured into a hot tub at a party and the gas knocked people unconscious. No deaths I think but it was close... Yeah there's some video of it here http://youtu.be/DM6_pUE-3Pg
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Lake Nyos chat This works with most gases, if you get enough of it, it will displace the oxygen that you need.
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Yeah, but isn't the scary thing about nitrogen that unlike other gasses you don't realize you're suffocating?
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If this is any comfort, death by hypoxia likely won't hurt at all, and you'll basically just get dizzy/euphoric and pass out. When your body gets too much CO2 dissolved in the blood though, it starts to hurt. That's what gives you pain when you hold your breath. So those people near that lake basically drowned where they stood, and were probably very aware that, for no reason, they suddenly couldn't breathe.
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muscles like this? posted:Yeah, but isn't the scary thing about nitrogen that unlike other gasses you don't realize you're suffocating? All gases that aren't CO2. IIRC, your body doesn't really have a signal for "not getting enough oxygen." You body DOES have a signal for "there's too much CO2 in your system," which means the people and animals around that lake died in absolute agony. *Edit: another reason why CO is so deadly is that the hemoglobin in your blood makes a stronger bond with it than it does oxygen. After a blood cell becomes "infected" with CO, it's essentially useless. Edit 2: apparently I was wrong about CO poisoning. It actually causes a ton of nasty problems, but many of them are consistent with viral infections so there's probably a lot of false negatives in CO poisoning cases. Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 16:55 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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And I have just bought a carbon monoxide detector. Thanks thread! (The weird smell coming from the boiler briefly yesterday may have also been a factor...) VV I figured it was probably natural gas, google suggested a blockage in one of the little pipes or something inside. I turned it off for a bit and then back on and the smell went away, but it made me think a bit. Nettle Soup has a new favorite as of 16:49 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Nettle Soup posted:And I have just bought a carbon monoxide detector. Thanks thread!  CO is odorless (and unscented) and tasteless, which is a big reason why detectors are needed to begin with. Also, it's a heavy gas, so make sure to put it below sleeping level. A lot of combo smoke/CO alarms are placed on the ceiling, which is nice because you might be dead before they detected any of it.
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Mak0rz posted:
Incorrect. The specific gravity of CO is 0.9657, meaning it is lighter than air. CO2, however, is heavier than air and will sink (you can pour the fumes from a solid block of it like you would water). Especially if the air is warm, CO will float up and around the room. 0.9657 is pretty close to air though (SG of 1), so it might hover around the room a bit. Monitors at every level isn't a bad idea if you don't want to die in the lamest way possible.
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As I understood it, CO and N give no warning and you go unconscious before death but with CO2 you have nausea and headaches before unconsciousness. Is that wrong?
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Zesty Mordant posted:Incorrect. The specific gravity of CO is 0.9657, meaning it is lighter than air. CO2, however, is heavier than air and will sink (you can pour the fumes from a solid block of it like you would water). Especially if the air is warm, CO will float up and around the room. Welp! I learned something today!
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outlier posted:According to Fortean Times, which has covered this topic a few times, there are more than a few genuine cases. The cause is unclear but things are complicated by: There's one who was a two year old who died of pneumonia. She blinks! 
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Astrofig posted:There's one who was a two year old who died of pneumonia. She blinks! That's not so much a "true" incorruptible, she's just a girl who was embalmed really really well. Really the place she's buried in is pretty creepy, but also kind of fascinating if you're into stuff like historical dress. Kimmalah has a new favorite as of 17:38 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Lake Nyos chat I did my undergrad thesis working in a lab where we used liquid nitrogen, and there was an oxygen detector on the wall set to make a really loving loud and annoying noise (we tested it once) if oxygen dropped below a certain percentage. Standard procedure was (paraphrased): if this thing rings, 1. hit the nitrogen cutoff valve, 2. open the window, 3. get the gently caress out and shut the door, 4. when it's stopped ringing wait thirty minutes, go back in and figure out the problem. Our advisor made it very clear that on no account were we to try and figure out the problem while the alarm was still going off.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:As I understood it, CO and N give no warning and you go unconscious before death but with CO2 you have nausea and headaches before unconsciousness. Is that wrong? It's not wrong, but the point is that any gas that isn't oxygen or CO2 and that isn't straight up toxic will cause you to just suddenly become woozy and pass out. Your body has no way of telling if it's getting oxygen, it can just tell that there's a buildup of CO2.
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Ghost Cow Goes Boo posted:Yeah, I started off liking Sword & Scale but they're far too gratuitous with that stuff. I started losing interest when one episode was just robotic voices reading out chatlogs of two guys talking about how they wanted to eat toddlers with zero exposition, but putting in a horrific three(?)-minute clip of some poor guy getting killed by murderers that aren't even the topic of the episode was the last straw. I want to understand the formation and motivation behind murderers, not listen to (sometimes literally) the audio to a gore video. Yeah, I want to hear more poo poo like the episode on H. H. Holmes. That one was really interesting. The latest two episodes were just too much. I just finished listening to Sunday's podcast and immediately unsubscribed. Made me sick to my stomach. I feel like a shithead typing that because that sort of notoriety is exactly what the subject of the story wants. Thanks for sharing True Murder. I'll check it out.
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My entire boyfriend's family almost died of CO2 exposure early Sunday morning. I went over Friday and when I walked in I mentioned how the house reeked like sulphur. Everyone in the house was used to the smell and dismissed my comment, chalking it up to Grandma's bad cooking. Walked in Saturday shortly after noon and it smelled soo much like sulphur I pressed the matter until my boyfriend's grandfather begrudgingly took a look at the boiler and furnace. He came to the conclusion that "we'll get someone over to look at it on Monday." My boyfriend and I shortly thereafter left to go to a party. We returned to his house at 4am Sunday morning to find first responders driving away, and a heating/cooling specialist parked in the driveway. Everyone was awake, grumpy, and cold. His mom turned to me and said in the middle of the night she heard this weird sound that woke her up, very much like The Master's drum beat from Doctor Who that she thought she was dreaming, then realizing it was the CO2 detector and got everyone the hell out of the house. Since then she's been saying "we almost died, what would you two have done if we all just died this weekend?" It's not helping my anxiety...
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Mak0rz posted:
Isn't this the same with natural gas as well, being odorless/tasteless/colorless? I recall hearing somewhere that companies using natural gas for homes had to put chemicals or some such into the gas to give it a scent, because of accidents where gas leaks were undetected and caused fires or explosions. I might not be remembering correctly though...
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as if on cue, 2 dead at LG Korea, Nitrogen related http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30777830
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Ozz81 posted:Isn't this the same with natural gas as well, being odorless/tasteless/colorless? I recall hearing somewhere that companies using natural gas for homes had to put chemicals or some such into the gas to give it a scent, because of accidents where gas leaks were undetected and caused fires or explosions. I might not be remembering correctly though... You are right, but the point was that CO can't always be scented like that. Natural gas was produced millions of years ago and extracted, processed, and scented before it's piped into your house. You can't really do that with the CO from home machinery because it's produced directly by the engine of your furnace/car/whatever as a byproduct of incomplete combustion. Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 21:20 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jisae posted:My entire boyfriend's family almost died of CO2 exposure early Sunday morning. I went over Friday and when I walked in I mentioned how the house reeked like sulphur. Everyone in the house was used to the smell and dismissed my comment, chalking it up to Grandma's bad cooking. Walked in Saturday shortly after noon and it smelled soo much like sulphur I pressed the matter until my boyfriend's grandfather begrudgingly took a look at the boiler and furnace. He came to the conclusion that "we'll get someone over to look at it on Monday." My boyfriend and I shortly thereafter left to go to a party. Shouted "I TOLD YOU SO" at their coffins? Sulphur smell = additive added to natural gas = hey you have a gas leak
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:As I understood it, CO and N give no warning and you go unconscious before death but with CO2 you have nausea and headaches before unconsciousness. Is that wrong? When I was a kid, I had mild Carbon Monoxide poisoning once due to a down-drafting furnace. I felt very tired and had a tremendous headache. All I wanted to do was sleep and I couldn't get my head together to understand why. Eventually, we found that the chimney had been blocked by ice and the high winds were causing a back-flow of exhaust. To answer your question, it's not comfortable, but you're too confused to care or move.
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Jisae posted:My entire boyfriend's family almost died of CO2 exposure early Sunday morning. I went over Friday and when I walked in I mentioned how the house reeked like sulphur. Everyone in the house was used to the smell and dismissed my comment, chalking it up to Grandma's bad cooking. Walked in Saturday shortly after noon and it smelled soo much like sulphur I pressed the matter until my boyfriend's grandfather begrudgingly took a look at the boiler and furnace. He came to the conclusion that "we'll get someone over to look at it on Monday." My boyfriend and I shortly thereafter left to go to a party. CO2 is odorless and tasteless, so I'd bet dimes to dollars the sulfur smell you were smelling was a natural gas leak, not a CO2 leak. Reinforced by the fact that the problem came from the furnace.
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Ozz81 posted:Isn't this the same with natural gas as well, being odorless/tasteless/colorless? I recall hearing somewhere that companies using natural gas for homes had to put chemicals or some such into the gas to give it a scent, because of accidents where gas leaks were undetected and caused fires or explosions. I might not be remembering correctly though...
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Kimmalah posted:From what I remember of my archaeology classes in college, they'll probably just be like "Hmm, yes this gaping anus clearly had some ritualistic significance." If you don't know what the hell it is or what it means - just say it was used in a ritual. Motel of the Mysteries is pretty funny. It depicts an archaeologist from 4022 studying a normal motel room (and other things). "A statue of the deity WATT, who represented eternal companionship and englightenment, stood faithfully next to the platform." "Everything in the Outer Chamber faced the Great Altar (No. 1), including the body of the deceased, which still lay on top of the Ceremonial Platform (No. 5). In its hand was the Sacred Communicator (No. 3)" (TV, bed, remote control)
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InediblePenguin posted:Because of one specific accident, no less (I'm 100% sure the New London school explosion has been covered in this thread before tho) You know things are bad when Hitler sends a letter of condolences. El Estrago Bonito has a new favorite as of 11:01 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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That Hitler sure sounds like a nice guy E: just read his wikipedia page, nevermind
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Babe Magnet posted:That Hitler sure sounds like a nice guy Yeah, but it's Wikipedia. You know that it's not all that accurate. People, or certain groups of people, ahem, are probably just writing nasty stuff in there to make him look bad. How bad could a man be when he was an artist and owned a dog named Blondi?
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