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Saladman posted:Wtf, how would someone die during cataract surgery? through the magic of cuban science
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May 29, 2016 22:03
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Saladman posted:Wtf, how would someone die during cataract surgery? I'm assuming they put you under for the surgery, in which case, a bad anesthesiologist or bad anesthesia can do really bad things. If they don't put you under for cataract surgery, then Jesus gently caress I hope I never get cataracts because I don't want to be awake for that poo poo.
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May 29, 2016 22:12
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And if Cuban doctors are that skilled, good luck keeping them once travel restrictions are lifted. Puerto Rico is dying for doctors and probably pays an order of magnitude more. To be fair, Cuba has better healthcare than any other communist dictatorships.
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May 29, 2016 22:14
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Well, Puerto Rico is having some economic troubles right now.
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May 29, 2016 22:26
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Yeah let me be clear, it's not like you would take Cuban doctors over American doctors if you had really good health insurance/a lot of money. They're just significantly better than most poor countries, and on par with many middle income countries. And for basic day to day healthcare concerns that's all you really need - a broken leg, a cold, normal infections, taking care of diabetes and other such chronic issues. You simply can't rely on the Venezuelan healthcare system for that these days.
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May 29, 2016 22:27
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Krispy Kareem posted:To be fair, Cuba has better healthcare than any other communist dictatorships. Frankly, Cuba stacks up rather well when compared to all the right wing dictatorships there have been in the region.
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May 29, 2016 23:09
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Triglav posted:Well, Puerto Rico is having some economic troubles right now. They are, but they're also suffering from a serious shortage of doctors and would probably work out a deal to import and license Cuban physicians. Then again, I have no idea what the education differences would be or whether Cuban healthcare is good or just propaganda.
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May 29, 2016 23:42
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Having experienced it I can say its just propaganda. Here no one wants to get treatment by a Cuban doctor.
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May 29, 2016 23:47
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The collapse of the opposition-government negotiations in the Dominican Republic has just put a whole bunch of pressure onto the MUD to really put their foot down and find a way to oust Maduro. There's two possible scenarios that can play out in this month: 1) They get actually serious about their actions and pressure the CNE into giving a concrete date for the recall referendum, or 2) The country enters a state of utter social chaos, far beyond what we have witnessed thus far, some real Mad Max poo poo. If the government was ready to release Leopoldo Lopez as the leaked information claimed, then they're absolutely ready to throw the bus driver under the metaphoric bus.
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May 30, 2016 00:06
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Is it? I am genuinly curious, i have heard alot of people say that in the past. It isn't. Medical training is very good in Cuba. Standard of care is pretty low for Cubans, due to shortages. For medical tourists with hard currency, it's fairly good and very cheap.
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May 30, 2016 01:12
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M. Discordia posted:Or Jeremy Corbyn, or Bernie Sanders (who dismissed Chavez as a "dead communist dictator" a year ago but now pointedly refuses to discuss Venezuela when asked).  where are you Borneo Jimmy, we can't just have your partner in the other side and not you
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May 30, 2016 01:17
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El Hefe posted:through the magic of cuban science Cuba exports a lot of doctors throughout Latin America and Africa. It's really hard to fault them for this. I'm no fan of their system, but you have to have a pretty mindless agenda to criticize them for performing free cataract surgeries in highland Guatemalan villages.
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May 30, 2016 01:18
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Krispy Kareem posted:And if Cuban doctors are that skilled, good luck keeping them once travel restrictions are lifted. Puerto Rico is dying for doctors and probably pays an order of magnitude more. Cuba constantly sends out doctors but they don't have any problem keeping most of them.
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May 30, 2016 01:24
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Apparently Minister of the Economy Perez Abad announced that soon currency controls will be lifted in order to allow for a truly free floating exchange rate. If this is actually real this would be the only rational economic decision I would see coming from Maduro's government. I guess we'll have to see just how free this free exchange will be. Considering "soon" often means "3 months from now" to these people, I don't know what to expect, although admittedly they're being forced to take actions to stop the capital flight which I don't think they'll ignore.
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May 30, 2016 01:40
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Maybe they just send the poo poo doctors here then, but I can quite confidently tell you that most Venezuelans don't trust Cuban doctors.
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May 30, 2016 02:04
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El Hefe posted:Having experienced it I can say its just propaganda. Pretty much everything about Cuba being a magical socialist wonderland is a big steaming pile of poo poo, it's not just the doctors.
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May 30, 2016 02:07
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fnox posted:Apparently Minister of the Economy Perez Abad announced that soon currency controls will be lifted in order to allow for a truly free floating exchange rate. If this is actually real this would be the only rational economic decision I would see coming from Maduro's government. I guess we'll have to see just how free this free exchange will be. Considering "soon" often means "3 months from now" to these people, I don't know what to expect, although admittedly they're being forced to take actions to stop the capital flight which I don't think they'll ignore. Aren't Venezuela's "hard reserves" (foreign currency, gold (bleh), and all that) dwindling? It's like, great, the little clique of bloodsuckers probbaly got their hard currency at the favorable exchange rate, and now that the accounts are getting low and they're getting ready to fly away, welp, free floating exchange rate everyone! Hope you like scraps! I'm probably off-base with that, and one free exchange rate will likely be better than three rates (the two official ones and the black market rate). But it's probably going to hurt to adjust to now, when things have gotten so bad, than it would have were it enacted earlier. And even if it's a legitimate policy action that was arrived at after some actual thought, the image it conveys is more "the rats fleeing the ship after they gnawed a hole in it" than anything meant to turn the country around.
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May 30, 2016 02:13
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I read that they are drawing down on gold and whatnot, yeah.
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May 30, 2016 03:04
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Kthulhu5000 posted:Aren't Venezuela's "hard reserves" (foreign currency, gold (bleh), and all that) dwindling? It's like, great, the little clique of bloodsuckers probbaly got their hard currency at the favorable exchange rate, and now that the accounts are getting low and they're getting ready to fly away, welp, free floating exchange rate everyone! Hope you like scraps! It's a measure they have to take forcibly. They just don't have a choice anymore, they really can't afford the PR hit of having any more transnational companies leave the country so they might as well just let them charge whatever they want. I mean after all Maduro won't last much longer he might as well let the next sucker take the hit. I don't think the Venezuelan people will mind much, the price increases won't be as radical as most predict, and they're used to 300% increases anyway. I'm sure they'll take being able to find food at very high prices over having them at low prices but being unable to find any of them. As for the foreign reserves, they've been steadily evaporating, yes. The fixed exchange rate was doing exactly jack poo poo to prevent it, however, if the intentions to rationalize Venezuela's economic plan are sincere and they are actually getting rid of the preferential exchange rate then that should also slow down.
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May 30, 2016 03:25
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North Korea was mentioned, here is an op-ed Maduro transforming Venezuela into the North Korea of the Caribbean Each day Venezuelans — especially the poor — haunt desperately long lines for scarce food, medicine and other basics. Violent crime is so rampant that citizens are morphing into rabid vigilantes. Some recently beat a mugger to death and burned his corpse after he robbed an old man of $5. In fact, news reports from the South American country read like apocalyptic Cormac McCarthy novels. And it’s only going to get worse. Maduro’s government just announced it has to slash imports — yeah, food and other basics — from $37 billion in 2015 to $20 billion this year. The one problem, say analysts like Russ Dallen of Caracas Capital Markets, is that Venezuela may not have $20 billion left in its chest. http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article80457967.html
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May 30, 2016 03:51
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Cuba is so great that people routinely try to escape it by floating through shark-infested waters on the door from a 1957 Chevy. It's marginally better than Venezuela because it has semi-open trade and communication with countries other than the U.S., but it still sucks rear end and is trying to figure out a way to become China (i.e. introduce a little bit more capitalism so that the government can maintain its authoritarian grip on power without the populace revolting due to starvation).
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May 30, 2016 04:50
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fnox posted:It's a measure they have to take forcibly. They just don't have a choice anymore, they really can't afford the PR hit of having any more transnational companies leave the country so they might as well just let them charge whatever they want. I mean after all Maduro won't last much longer he might as well let the next sucker take the hit. Color me sceptical regarding the idea of these guys lifting the exchange controls since we've been down this road a few times. Before Ramirez was relieved of his many lofty positions in Venezuela he too proposed the idea of a free exchange rate and was subsequently shipped off abroad to enjoy his forced retirement from the chavista government. I mean, yes, they don't have any money to keep it up but that hasn't stopped them so far. They simply haven't been giving out dollars at all or have done so very selectively, which is why we've cut so far back on imports enough to reach our current scarcity levels. They've literally let a bunch of people die due to not being capable of importing enough medicines and distributing them adequately, so I don't see them just going "Meh, we had a good run. Time to finally put CADIVI to rest". Plus, you know, DICOM is supposedly an official free-floating mechanism and we can see how that went.
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May 30, 2016 05:06
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Munin posted:Frankly, Cuba stacks up rather well when compared to all the right wing dictatorships there have been in the region. Edit: quote:An enduring myth is that Cuba in the 1950s was a socially and economically backward country whose development, especially in the areas of health and education, was made possible by the socialist nature of the Castro government. Despite the widespread acceptance of this view, readily available data show that Cuba was already a relatively well-advanced country in 1958, certainly by Latin American standards, and in some cases by world standards. The data show that Cuba has at best maintained what were already high levels of development in health and education, but that in other areas, Cubans have borne extraordinary costs as a result of Castro-style totalitarianism and misguided economic policies. Indeed, with the possible exception of health and education, Cuba’s relative position among Latin American countries is lower today than in it was in 1958 for virtually every socioeconomic measure for which reliable data are available. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 05:11
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Eschers Basement posted:I'm assuming they put you under for the surgery, in which case, a bad anesthesiologist or bad anesthesia can do really bad things. It is typically done with a local anesthetic. I know my father had his surgery with local anesthetic. And yes, the idea of being even partly awake while someone takes a scalpel to my eye does sound horrifying. 
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May 30, 2016 06:21
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It's usually done for older people, yes? Quick look for US veteran cataract studies says that 90 days mortality for Cataract patients is 7/1000 when median patient age is 72. This is considered a low rate as old people die easier from complications. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20591488 Issaries fucked around with this message at 07:24 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 07:20
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beer_war posted:And yes, the idea of being even partly awake while someone takes a scalpel to my eye does sound horrifying. I had eye surgery done when I was less than a year old and was unable to have anesthesia administered.  Good thing I was too young to have any memories of it.How are the hospitals doing right now? Are they being forced to work two half-days or are they separate from the government's mandate?
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May 30, 2016 07:22
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Eschers Basement posted:I'm assuming they put you under for the surgery, in which case, a bad anesthesiologist or bad anesthesia can do really bad things. That makes a lot more sense. My mental image of death during cataract surgery was the doctor cutting the lens and "oops, scalpel in your brain!"
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May 30, 2016 07:41
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Wikkheiser posted:Cuba arguably stacks up worse than the right-wing dictatorship that preceded Castro. That quote you have there is interesting because it couches everything in "by latin american standards". Which is like saying that leaflets are good eating, "by things found on the sidewalk standards". And it's incredibly dodgy to base an argument around the idea that the Cuban people would be better off today if the Fascist dictatorship had continued uninterrupted (or if they had any other government), because then you're comparing the real Cuba that exists with one that doesn't, a Cuba that could be dreamed up to be like whatever you need it to be for it to be superior. It's worth noting that the Batista regime was going down the toilet fast, and even when it was stable the concentration of wealth and property ownership left a great many completely destitute, so there's no reason to give a hypothetical continuation of it the benefit of the doubt. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 08:43 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 08:15
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Or, you know, comparing Cuba to the actual Latin American countries which have a higher standard of living right now due to not being under communist dictatorship for the past 55 years, which is pretty much all of them. Takes a lot of stupidity to be the guy decrying fantasy comparisons while defending socialism in the Venezuela thread.
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May 30, 2016 08:55
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M. Discordia posted:Or, you know, comparing Cuba to the actual Latin American countries which have a higher standard of living right now due to not being under communist dictatorship for the past 55 years, which is pretty much all of them. Takes a lot of stupidity to be the guy decrying fantasy comparisons while defending socialism in the Venezuela thread. We could have a conversation about Cuban economic history but I'm not sure it'd be worth it when the other person in it is you? I could point to specific facts about how it was under capitalism (who owned the infrastructure, who owned the land, how much people were paid etc) and question how much the cuban poor would benefit from economic growth if those things were kept as they were under Batista. We could look into how those things could change for the better under a hypothetical successor to Batista, although we have no reason to imagine they would, if the conditions of the Batista regime had been viable enough to survive Fidel Castro kicking it. we could do that, but you're the guy who's posting gimmick is to be the precious bodily fluids guy from Dr Strangelove. Ultimately how Cuba would have developed over the 20th Century without a communist revolution happening there is something we do not know. The one thing we do know is that the Batista way could not carry on. Beyond that is speculation, and pretending that it would have gone exactly like <insert favourite country here> doesn't change that. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 09:11 on May 30, 2016 |
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May 30, 2016 09:05
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No one in venezuela has to worry about their bodily fluids because thanks to socialist ineptitude there isn't any drinking water. lol.
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May 30, 2016 09:51
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El Hefe posted:Maybe they just send the poo poo doctors here then, but I can quite confidently tell you that most Venezuelans don't trust Cuban doctors. I've heard in terms of training and knowledge some Cuban doctors are more comparable to nurses or other medical aides than M.D.s in most nations. This is from a doctor and nutritionist who worked with one in Nicaragua.
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May 30, 2016 18:18
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Squalid posted:I've heard in terms of training and knowledge some Cuban doctors are more comparable to nurses or other medical aides than M.D.s in most nations. This is from a doctor and nutritionist who worked with one in Nicaragua. The Venezuelan medical program is very demanding anyway, and they produce truly well trained professionals, the problem Chavez had and the reason we brought Cuban doctors was due to the brain drain, those doctors trained by Venezuelan universities rarely stay in the country.
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May 30, 2016 18:46
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From Bloomberg, another airline leaving in addition to Lufthansa:quote:Latam Airlines Group SA, Latin America’s largest carrier, said Monday that it would cut all flights to Caracas by August. A day earlier, Deutsche Lufthansa AG had said it would suspend its three weekly flights to Venezuela next month “until further notice.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-29/lufthansa-to-suspend-flights-to-venezuela-starting-next-month
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May 30, 2016 20:34
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God drat, I really hope Avianca stays until July.
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May 30, 2016 20:46
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Arkane posted:From Bloomberg, another airline leaving in addition to Lufthansa: Get out now, folks, before you have to pay Bs 5,000,000,000 for a ticket on the last flights out of Caracas.
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May 30, 2016 20:47
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The U.S. should fulfill its moral duty and take in more refugees from both Syria and Venezuela.
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May 30, 2016 21:08
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A report from a National Assembly commission has found that over $60 billion were stolen through official currency exchange mechanisms during the last few years (http://runrun.es/rr-es-plus/263346/control-cambiario-se-uso-para-robar-60-mil-millones-de-dolares.html). In addition to that, PDVSA was found to have lost over $7 billion due to money laundering, kickbacks, and bribes. Gotta admit, these guys may be poo poo at governing, but they take stealing to a whole new level.
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Labradoodle posted:A report from a National Assembly commission has found that over $60 billion were stolen through official currency exchange mechanisms during the last few years (http://runrun.es/rr-es-plus/263346/control-cambiario-se-uso-para-robar-60-mil-millones-de-dolares.html). In addition to that, PDVSA was found to have lost over $7 billion due to money laundering, kickbacks, and bribes. I just looked at Venezuela's GDP for the first time, and it's ~$500bn/yr, and was more than Colombia's until 2013 (!?). 2-4% getting siphoned off by corruption doesn't seem like it should lead to the catastrophe that is the current situation. I'm also a little confused that GDP is "only" projected to contract by ~8% this year, despite the oil price dropping by more than half and accounting for 95% of government earnings. How is the rest of the economy even surviving that well? Or are the numbers all totally bogus at this point? Edit: Actually these numbers make no sense: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/gdp  GDP of $381 bn in 2012, $371 bn in 2013, $510 bn in 2014 ??? These economists must be using the government's exchange rate. I have an impossible time believing that the GDP today is double-ish what it was in 2006. Saladman fucked around with this message at 22:03 on May 30, 2016 |
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