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So, fandom is a necessary evil?
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Jul 25, 2017 20:52
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I'm saying it's a fundamentally harmless experience that can be ruined by people being idiots, just like everything else, and people should just be left to their own devices and not be made fun of when they're not hurting anybody.
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Jul 25, 2017 20:56
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McSpanky posted:Given that most creative works done by ostensible professionals can barely produce acceptable romance plots and love scenes, we hardly need more amateurs working at it. Fanfiction in general is under indictment for psychic pollution of the collective human experience. FactsAreUseless posted:I know there are many different perspectives on fanfiction, but there's one thing we can all agree on: Kara and Lena want to gently caress. I mean, obviously TFRazorsaw posted:I'm saying it's a fundamentally harmless experience that can be ruined by people being idiots, just like everything else, and people should just be left to their own devices and not be made fun of when they're not hurting anybody. In addition to the aforementioned dilution of the human experience, when they start screeching nonstop abuse at actors on twitter who poked fun at their ship it's hard to argue that no harm is being done. Also, please post your fanfics, I know you have them. edit: lmao
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Jul 25, 2017 21:02
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Soothing Vapors posted:In addition to the aforementioned dilution of the human experience, when they start screeching nonstop abuse at actors on twitter who poked fun at their ship it's hard to argue that no harm is being done. Also, please post your fanfics, I know you have them. Aaaand now we're back to square one, where taking issue with something and getting angry and expressing criticism is the problem, and apparently constitutes abuse. "Making fun" of something was never the problem, it was how they went about it.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:12
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FactsAreUseless posted:I know there are many different perspectives on fanfiction, but there's one thing we can all agree on: Kara and Lena want to gently caress. Yes clearly, my research paper in the Journal of Portentous Longing Glances should pass peer review by the next publication quarter.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:50
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McSpanky posted:Yes clearly, my research paper in the Journal of Portentous Longing Glances should pass peer review by the next publication quarter. Can't wait to read it on AO3.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:51
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Soothing Vapors posted:In addition to the aforementioned dilution of the human experience, when they start screeching nonstop abuse at actors on twitter who poked fun at their ship it's hard to argue that no harm is being done. It never fails to bemuse me when people on the Something friggin' Awful Forums start getting all high and mighty about how weird and unacceptable other people are on other corners of the internet. Like we all haven't seen behavior here that blows plenty of that right out of the water. STAC Goat posted:While I'm going to bow out of the general debate I do want to retain my lifelong stance that erotic/romantic fan fiction is weird. The one and only difference is that they're being paid to do so.
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Jul 25, 2017 21:59
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FactsAreUseless posted:I know there are many different perspectives on fanfiction, but there's one thing we can all agree on: Kara and Lena want to gently caress. With whom is another question entirely and one that is hotly debated.
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Jul 25, 2017 22:01
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BrianWilly posted:The one and only difference is that they're being paid to do so. 50 Shades of Gray crossed the aisle for better or worse (it's worse).
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Jul 25, 2017 22:03
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Shakespeare wrote some very influential RPF about Julius Caesar.
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Jul 25, 2017 22:04
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TFRazorsaw posted:Shakespeare wrote some very influential RPF about Julius Caesar. But he used the older term "slashfic".
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Jul 25, 2017 22:05
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Aleph Null posted:But he used the older term "slashfic". 
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Jul 25, 2017 22:06
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BrianWilly posted:"Harassing people on the internet" is not some rare particular phenomenon exhibited solely by teenage girls gushing about fictional characters. Some people call what I do "screaming and throwing poo poo at people who walk by" but I call it acting! The only difference, they are being paid to do it and I'm just doing it because it's the only way for me to get an erection anymore.
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Jul 25, 2017 22:07
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Xelkelvos posted:With whom is another question entirely and one that is hotly debated.
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Jul 26, 2017 00:20
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FactsAreUseless posted:They want to have lesbian-style sex on/with each other. Jeremy Jordan apparently disagrees.
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Jul 26, 2017 01:17
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Right so 44 more posts and FanFic/Shipping/Slashfic is still a terrible thing and everyone who writes then are garbage people. Excellent, glad we're all on the same page.
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Jul 26, 2017 03:49
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If you think about it, posting is basically like writing fanfiction.
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Jul 26, 2017 03:57
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So is the Bible.
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Jul 26, 2017 04:00
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Something Awful needs to stop making fun of nerds on the internet. In fact, it's insanely normal to spend large portions of your life setting up elaborate sexual fantasy football drafts for every single fictional character on TV, then going on Twitter to hurl racialized abuse at C-list celebrities because they failed to pair the Michelin Man up with Chester Cheetah, the loving prigs
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Jul 26, 2017 17:01
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CW embraces that stuff and encourages it when it suits them (arrow) so the show has some of the blame, but this whole thing is a bad look for pretty much everyone over all. I mean does anyone even care about the trailer for season 3. I thought that's what people were talking about when I saw all the posts, but it's been buried under all this.
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Jul 26, 2017 19:33
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Lord Packinham posted:I mean does anyone even care about the trailer for season 3. I thought that's what people were talking about when I saw all the posts, but it's been buried under all this. The trailer had very little new footage to discuss, so I guess we defaulted to our usual hiatus-mode poo poo flinging. It seems to happen in a lot of TVIV threads.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:30
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Who's flinging poo poo, here? Just seems like a bunch of forum nerds dogpiling on teenage girls writing fanfic, 'cuz apparently those are the only type of fans who go a little crazy about their hobbies. .oh, well, I guess now I'm flinging poo poo.
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Jul 27, 2017 00:16
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I'm flinging poo poo. SO MUCH poo poo. I'M A MONKEY NOW
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Jul 27, 2017 00:22
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BrianWilly posted:Who's flinging poo poo, here? Just seems like a bunch of forum nerds dogpiling on teenage girls writing fanfic, 'cuz apparently those are the only type of fans who go a little crazy about their hobbies. Post your fanfic
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Jul 27, 2017 03:30
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I had like 2/3rds of a Kyle Rayner/Connor Hawke one finished before I accepted that I'm just not very good at prose. Fanart is far more my speed.  What was it that Glee said? Shame is a wasted emotion?
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Jul 27, 2017 03:45
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If your fanfic is worse than those drawings, please dear God post the unfinished draft
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Jul 27, 2017 05:14
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TFRazorsaw posted:Fan-fiction writers and fanzine creators helped create fandom as we know it today Fandom has existed for a long time, but in recent years it has become quite insane.
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Jul 27, 2017 09:58
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I'm talking about the ur days of fandom, and how women who were into Star Trek were some of the first to commiserate and share their interests and work as well as help get the show to be successful in syndication. There's problems with modern fans, yes, but there's also problems with every human endeavor that inevitably crop up when you add more people to it, and treating all members of said group as a monolith and everything they're interested in or spend their time on as ultimately destructive and bad misses the point of why these issues crop up and proliferate. Like BrianWilly said, no one here is in any position to sit in condemnation of poo poo like this, given Something Awful is full of people being terrible to each other over freaking message board posts. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Jul 27, 2017 10:33
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Fandom today is a lot different from the halcyon days when Bjo Trimble saved Star Trek from cancellation.
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Jul 27, 2017 11:25
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irlZaphod posted:Fandom today is a lot different from the halcyon days when Bjo Trimble saved Star Trek from cancellation. I never said it wasn't. Point is slash fans saved Star Trek. The fact that there are still people like that has zero to do with why fandom is sometimes terrible. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Jul 27, 2017 11:49
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TFRazorsaw posted:Like BrianWilly said, no one here is in any position to sit in condemnation of poo poo like this, given Something Awful is full of people being terrible to each other over freaking message board posts. Actually, I think I am, because I'm not an entitled baby who throws their toys out of the crib at the first sign that the people who make the media I like aren't listening to my terrible ideas. Abusing the people who make the TV, movies, video games, books, and so on that you like is a good way to get them to stop listening to you forever, and I hope creators start doing that sooner rather than later
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Jul 27, 2017 15:24
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Actually, in Edwardian Britain, there was a brief craze for novelty drinking vessels (tumblers) with pictures of Sherlock Holmes shagging Dr Watson painted on them until Conan Doyle took legal action to have their manufacture prohibited.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Actually, in Edwardian Britain, there was a brief craze for novelty drinking vessels (tumblers) with pictures of Sherlock Holmes shagging Dr Watson painted on them until Conan Doyle took legal action to have their manufacture prohibited.
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Squashing Machine posted:Actually, I think I am, because I'm not an entitled baby who throws their toys out of the crib at the first sign that the people who make the media I like aren't listening to my terrible ideas. Abusing the people who make the TV, movies, video games, books, and so on that you like is a good way to get them to stop listening to you forever, and I hope creators start doing that sooner rather than later That goes back to the thing I said about treating people like a monolith, because 1) it assumes all people who write poo poo or have a ship are abusive to creators, and 2) assumes that the people who are mad about this are universally abusive to creators and that they're only coming from this from a place of being angry that "their ship" isn't canon, as opposed to being angry about the disrespectful way they went about it. It also ignores the completely different levels of agency that actors and writers have verses fans, and there's NOTHING that's been done here that's affected their lives negatively that they didn't choose to join in on themselves. What level of harassment do you honestly think is going to affect Melissa Benoist's and Jeremy Jordan's lives? This is going to stop being news in, like, a couple weeks. They're more than likely not going to be afraid to leave their homes like the individuals harassed by actual hate movements like GamerGate. This is, at worst, a minor bit of bad publicity. Let's be real. They haven't really suffered much, if at all, as a result of this. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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I just kind of feel like people should make peace with some light mocking of their weird hobbies. It don't hurt any more than the actors are hurt. Everyone has weird hobbies. You don't have to stop if you really don't want to. But it's a little weird (or at least seems weird to people outside that sphere) so learning to take a little harmless joking builds character. I sincere didn't realize erotic fan fiction was such serious business. I suppose that's on me. I should know better by now.
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Jul 27, 2017 16:14
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I wrote an intro to a Stargate SG-1 / Quantum Leap crossover where Sam leaps into Daniel Jackson before he is invited to join the Stargate program and has to make sure he avoids Catherine Langford since that was shortly before he disappeared / dropped off the grid. He leapt into Daniel while he was getting chewed out by a higher up at a University for still having his stupid ideas about Chariots of the Gods. I thought that'd be a good reason for Sam to say "oh, boy" when he took over, some old guy telling you how silly your ideas are and that you will never get funding and why do you believe this stuff anyway, and your parents would be disappointed. It would be funny, because Sam would have no idea what the hell they were talking about and Al would have to pop-in and talk about Daniel's books about aliens and would call him "a little cuckoo". Hah, hah, turns out he bumps into her anyway and Daniel finds out about the Stargate program because Sam leaps right as she's about to drop the truth bomb. Al says "Ziggy says nothing's changed." and they think it was a failed leap. I realized what I was doing and stopped because, drat. Also, I like writing, but I'm not good at it. STAC Goat posted:I sincere didn't realize erotic fan fiction was such serious business. I suppose that's on me. I should know better by now. It's a cottage industry.
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STAC Goat posted:I just kind of feel like people should make peace with some light mocking of their weird hobbies. It don't hurt any more than the actors are hurt. Everyone has weird hobbies. You don't have to stop if you really don't want to. But it's a little weird (or at least seems weird to people outside that sphere) so learning to take a little harmless joking builds character. Dude, at not even erotic can material we're talking about here. The very idea that anyone would like that pairing more than Kara and Mon-El was treated as patently absurd, and Benoist called Jordan brave for standing up to it, and then Wood made a dumbass statement about how people treat sexuality as being about "other people's perception of you", as if Kara, Lena, and Mon-El were somehow real people and not fictional characters. Katie McGrath even saw this and all but told her colleagues to stop. So I think that they're terrible people who deserve to never act again and that the show needs to crash and burn? No. But yes, it was stupid and disrespectful. The other stuff about fanfiction and shipping and whether that hurts anybody got attached as the conversation went on because obviously these people must all do this so hell let's condemn that too. So I defended it. But in the end, it's not even about a ship, it's how they chose to discuss it. This isn't even about a hobby for some people, it's sometimes LGBT fans who like to imagine the star of the show (as opposed to someone who's a sidekickinf) they like having an experience of feelings similar to theirs. Which wasn't "good natured ribbing". It was moronic. They don't have to make the pairing canon, they just shouldn't make people think the actors and staff think they're stupid just for having the idea in their heads. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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TFRazorsaw posted:Dude, at not even erotic can material we're talking about here. The very idea that anyone would like that pairing more than Kara and Mon-El was treated as patently absurd, and Benoist called Jordan brave for standing up to it, and then Wood made a dumbass statement about how people treat sexuality as being about "other people's perception of you", as if Kara, Lena, and Mon-El were somehow real people and not fictional characters. Katie McGrath even saw this and all but told her colleagues to stop. If they aren't immersed in Internet culture like the fine connoisseurs at Something Awful, they'd have no idea how serious this shipping thing can get. I don't blame them for responding the way they did. If some random person walked up to you and said they ship you with President Donald Trump and that their Tumblr has 500,000 followers, you'd probably think that was weird and discourage it. These guys apparently don't realize how the Internet works which is weird considering their age.
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I think you mean well Aleph, but your point is kind of undermined by using the most absurd example possible and one that involves REAL PEOPLE and not fictional characters. I also kind of doubt than an actor on Glee doesn't understand what "shipping" is. And it wasn't someone walking up to them. Jordan started singing it on his own during the panel's recap of season 2. Are you telling me Winn's actor has extensive interaction with people who are invested in the lives of two characters that have nothing to do with his beyond being his friends?come on. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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