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Part of the problem with doing one about Islam is that most of the relics of Islam are still accounted for. So it would be hard to find something of importance to Islam that the Grail has to Christianity without coming back to the fact that it's just in a museum in Turkey/Syria/etc.
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DStecks posted:Yeah. Inserting Ancient Alien themes into something supposed to be based on media from the 50's is incredibly anachronistic. It wasn't remotely on the pop cultural radar until Chariots of the Gods was published, and that was in 1968. It's Chariots of the Gods? I am um actuallying you because I will never cease finding that question mark in the title amusing. When people say it, they should pronounce it with an upward inflection in their voice Chariots of the Gods?
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Paladin posted:The most annoying thing to me about Crystal Skull is that, in the mediocre tomb raider rip off "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine," it APPEARS that they've just replaced Nazis with Soviets, but in the end it turns out that the American CIA handler is the real mega-rear end in a top hat of the story. The Soviet scientist is a scientist who, like Indy, just wants to know more about the world. That's the one thing I thought was pretty interesting when I watched the ending (I owned the game a long time ago, but I never finished it, and I watched the rest of it on YouTube). On the other hand, you probably shoot around a hundred Soviet soldiers throughout the game, but I guess they're cool with it in the end. The other thing about Infernal Machine was that, in relation to the Cthulhu/Lovecraft observation, Infernal Machine kind of hits closer to the 'weird fiction' style that meshes a bit better with the adventure serial theme. You're collecting parts of the titular Infernal Machine, and it's neat because while they're parts for a machine that transports you to another dimension where you fight Marduk, they're still presented as holy, arcane relics of an ancient civilization. It's rooted in religious or mythological elements, but there's a sci-fi bent to it. If anything, Infernal Machine was fun because there was cheat code that changed Indy's model to Guybrush Threepwood, and it was fun to run around like that shooting a rocket launcher. EDIT: Atlantis: The Lost Empire was also a film (albeit an animated film) that mixed the Indiana Jones style with science-fiction to an extent, and worked better than Crystal Skull did (though I haven't seen that movie in a long time). Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 04:00 on May 20, 2017 |
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Bar Crow posted:What's the point if they don't contain vodka?  Don't mess with Mr. bee double oh zee eee
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Wasn't Indiana Jones suppose to be Tintin but the execs didn't think anyone in America would know who Tintin was so they changed it? At least that was the implication in the Tintin 2011 making of documentary. Either which way they need to make another Tintin movie so long as it doesn't involve the Congo (or aliens).
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May 20, 2017 08:22
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Actually, it started as an adaptation of Carl Barks's Scrooge McDuck comics, but execs didn't like the live-action duck suits in the test footage. Wrageowrapper posted:Either which way they need to make another Tintin movie so long as it doesn't involve the Congo (or aliens). But they should make it super-political, since they went out of their way to avoid the political content of the original comics aside from a few background allusions to the comics. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 10:33 on May 20, 2017 |
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May 20, 2017 09:53
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Crystal Skull is better than Temple of Doom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28mNl-wg54
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UM ACTUALLY Lovecraft hated games, he was sad his "mythos" (he called it his Yog-Sothothery) was what his fans liked, and he had a very active social circle of dedicated fans. He wasn't unpopular. That's a misconception. He was prolific and quite popular... in the pulps. That was why he made no money. Pulp authors weren't paid well. But Lovecraft wasn't obscure he just wasn't looked at as Literature until the Library of America added him. Lovecraft largely went unforgotten because his contemporaries that outlasted him kept his estate active. August Derleth published a lot of his work posthumously, and made the mythos more expansive, which HPL likely would have hated. (Despite what he did for the legacy, Derleth was kind of a joke.)
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failing forward posted:He wasn't unpopular. That's a misconception. He was prolific and quite popular... in the pulps. That... counts as unpopular. Like, "popular" means something.
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Puppy Time posted:That... counts as unpopular. Like, "popular" means something. I just mean it wasn't like people didn't know about him. I suppose I could say he was well-known but not popular. That's probably more accurate. I just get mildly perturbed when people say HPL was like TOTALLY obscure because he wasn't he was just lame.
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Puppy Time posted:That... counts as unpopular. Like, "popular" means something.
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Lovecraft and Tolkien's works (The Hobbit is Tolkien's exception) are extremely boring and agonizing to read. I'm just going to babble on and let you fill in the blanks with what ever. Hmm how do I finish this story? Eeeh whatever *print*. Lol these dumb nig.. Eh I mean Fish people are ruining everything. *spends all of his money on hot garbage*. I'm just going to explain every detail of the grass straw this elf stepped on. Sarcopenia fucked around with this message at 01:32 on May 21, 2017 |
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Sarcopenia posted:Lovecraft and Tolkien's works (The Hobbit is Tolkien's exception) are extremely boring and agonizing to read. "Oh, this horrible thing is about to happen. It's so horrible, I can't even talk about it right now. But it's coming! Oh yes!" * 2000 is most of At the Mountains of Madness. I mean, aside from that it's interesting world-building, but come on. The Dream Cycle is cool, though. There you find out that Lovecraft reaaalllly loved cats. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLP-P0_VSVc Huh... wow... Uh... drat.. Sometimes Youtube's recommendation's are the abyss.  Edit: ANd yet, yesterday this was not the weirdest thing I saw. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 03:45 on May 21, 2017 |
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Sarcopenia posted:Lovecraft and Tolkien's works (The Hobbit is Tolkien's exception) are extremely boring and agonizing to read. Pictured: A vague and unsatisfying description quote:“Objects are eight feet long all over. Six-foot five-ridged barrel torso 3.5 feet central diameter, 1 foot end diameters. Dark grey, flexible, and infinitely tough. Seven-foot membraneous wings of same colour, found folded, spread out of furrows between ridges. Wing framework tubular or glandular, of lighter grey, with orifices at wing tips. Spread wings have serrated edge. Around equator, one at central apex of each of the five vertical, stave-like ridges, are five systems of light grey flexible arms or tentacles found tightly folded to torso but expansible to maximum length of over 3 feet. Like arms of primitive crinoid. Single stalks 3 inches diameter branch after 6 inches into five sub-stalks, each of which branches after 8 inches into five small, tapering tentacles or tendrils, giving each stalk a total of 25 tentacles.
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I wanna be clear I do not think HPL's writing is/was lame. HPL himself was lame. I actually like his writing, but comparing him to Tolkien is wrong and weird. Wtf they are not even remotely similar, and LotR is a good book.
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BigRed0427 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLP-P0_VSVc Caddicarus also put up a video related to this subject a little over a month ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVja3Py2HGY Honestly, from the examples shown in both videos, half of the videos come off more bizarre then disturbing. If anything, it's more like extremely tame versions of the kind of parody stuff you used to see on Newgrounds. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 05:25 on May 21, 2017 |
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I remember watching a HPL documentary on youtube and it was funny how much Neil Gaiman pissed off the comments because he talked about how antiquated and obtuse HPL's writings were (especially his early work) Its a pretty good documentary too with John Carpenter, Scott Gordon, and Del Toro in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9VCf5einY HPL just seemed like a victim of growing up under that Puritan lifestyle/work ethic; but gently caress him he was a huge loving racist achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 05:26 on May 21, 2017 |
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failing forward posted:I wanna be clear I do not think HPL's writing is/was lame. Why would anyone feel the need to back down from this? Lovecraft's writing is bad. That's why he's a nerd icon. failing forward posted:LotR is a good book. http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=953
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I feel like HPL is great if you're into weird spoopy poo poo to the point that you'll tolerate the verbose style and/or the racism casually tossed in here and there. You just have to already be willing to pick up what he's putting down. I'm fond of his stories (aside from aforementioned racist junk) but then I legit find Dracula and the Scarlet Pimpernel to be fun reads, so my threshold for old fashioned  is pretty high.
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I'm the weirdo who likes Lovecraft's Dreamlands stuff, even if it isn't exactly great.
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Puppy Time posted:I'm fond of his stories (aside from aforementioned racist junk) but then I legit find Dracula and the Scarlet Pimpernel to be fun reads, so my threshold for old fashioned Have you considered Thackeray, Dickens, Eliot, Joyce, Conrad, etc?
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Max Wilco posted:Caddicarus also put up a video related to this subject a little over a month ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVja3Py2HGY The Retsupuraes on these videos are somewhat better about this since it's just an outright riff on how weird these toons are and how its part managed thru extreme SEO managing rather than "today's cartoons are awful!!! Fu-ckin-g Cli-ck-Baait" and being far more bothered that its clickbait rather than the objectionable stuff on it. And they were prompted by how most likely they're found, with Slowbeef noticing his daughter watching one and joting on how said channels were more quickly verified due to the sheer bulk of viewership (thru bots and kids randomly searching for kids toons) than other channels doing more legit stuff. Also, they're actually funny.
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Not sure if it's relevant to Tolkien and Lovecrafts times but old pulp sci fi writers were paid by the page. I did read a great article about it once but blowed if I can find it now. I do remember one of the examples though as I tracked the book down. Here is an excerpt from Atomic Nemesis by Karl Ziegfried as the hero meets a superinteligent shade of the colour blue: quote:There was a faint click and soft illumination flooded into the room from the luminopanel beside the bed. Starkey thought that he detected a faint blueness in the atmosphere. It was just a suspicion of blue. It was the ghost of blueness; It goes on for quite a bit before Starkey concluded that the alien is indeed blue.
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Moorcock was a good writer, but he was a literary partisan concerned with making His People (the English New Wave) win and everybody else lose. He admits to not reading the books in Epic Pooh.
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nothing to do with anything, just wanted to say that folding idea's airbender video is so good
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I have those Barnes & Noble Lovecraft collections and all the stories begin with a brief paragraph of the history of it. A lot of them have Lovecraft calling the story junk. He does prattle on in a lot of his tales, but I like more than a few of them.
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Jimbot posted:I have those Barnes & Noble Lovecraft collections and all the stories begin with a brief paragraph of the history of it. A lot of them have Lovecraft calling the story junk. He does prattle on in a lot of his tales, but I like more than a few of them.
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Sounds about right for a terrible racist. Passing off personal failures on to people who are different. You just drat well know if he were alive today he'd be pulling in 40-50k a year on patreon. Not because of his horror stories, but because of his political views.
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achillesforever6 posted:The guy had a lot of self esteem issues, its also the reason why he always undersold himself when he could have made money instead of living off dog food and cold beans. That’s a condition a lot of creative people tend to suffer from, unfortunately. The talented or dedicated ones are always noticing mistakes in their own work, which results in them constantly striving to improve it. It’s kind of like a reverse Dunning-Krueger effect. My first exposure to Lovecraft wasn't actually the books themselves, but the game Shadow Hearts on the ps1. It's not a direct adaptation, but it does take inspiration from the setting and name-drops a lot of concepts from it. It's let down by a bad translation and terrible voice acting, but the sequels fix both of those and I'd say they're all some of the best, yet most overlooked RPGs of the era.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm the weirdo who likes Lovecraft's Dreamlands stuff, even if it isn't exactly great. How is a helpful army of murderous astral kitties not great?
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The "reverse dunning-kruger effect" is known as impostor syndrome fyi
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watho posted:The "reverse dunning-kruger effect" is known as impostor syndrome fyi Thanks. I figured it had to have a proper name.
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Jimbot posted:Sounds about right for a terrible racist. Passing off personal failures on to people who are different. You just drat well know if he were alive today he'd be pulling in 40-50k a year on patreon. Not because of his horror stories, but because of his political views. Nah, that's a more recent phenomenon. Back then the popular racism was just "These people are gross and not quite human," full stop. They weren't considered important enough to affect anyone's business. HPL may or may not have benefited from modern day alt right assholes; it depends on how charismatic he managed to be and whether this made up for his being a human with a thoroughly broken brain.
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I suppose so. I was always under the impression that even for the time he was insanely xenophobic and watching that documentary I'm seeing a lot of parallels to people who buy into the alt-right propaganda.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Why would anyone feel the need to back down from this? Lovecraft's writing is bad. That's why he's a nerd icon. Okay. I read it. I still like LotR.
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Jimbot posted:I suppose so. I was always under the impression that even for the time he was insanely xenophobic and watching that documentary I'm seeing a lot of parallels to people who buy into the alt-right propaganda.
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Jimbot posted:I suppose so. I was always under the impression that even for the time he was insanely xenophobic and watching that documentary I'm seeing a lot of parallels to people who buy into the alt-right propaganda.
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achillesforever6 posted:I remember watching a HPL documentary on youtube and it was funny how much Neil Gaiman pissed off the comments because he talked about how antiquated and obtuse HPL's writings were (especially his early work) Neat documentary. However it was, ah, interesting how one of the same guys excusing Lovecraft's xenophobia earlier in the film later, out of nowhere, starts talking about "islamofascism" for no apparent reason 
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Mr. Fowl posted:Neat documentary. However it was, ah, interesting how one of the same guys excusing Lovecraft's xenophobia earlier in the film later, out of nowhere, starts talking about "islamofascism" for no apparent reason Gaiman I think was flat out wrong trying to downplay the symbolism of Lovecraft's monsters and villains with his xenophobia and racism.
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