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Family Values posted:I don’t know about the ‘industry’, but all the streamers seem to refer to themselves as streamers, and generally when you ignore what people call themselves and apply your own label to them it betrays a certain amount of antagonism. "Streamer" is a subcategory, "influencer" covers it as well as things like "youtuber", "instagrammer", "blogger" etc. There's no antagonism unless you think being referred to as someone who has influence over many people's purchasing decisions is antagonistic.
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humble bundle's got a pretty good deal for EU4 right now, 17 dollars for the game itself and every expansion except for conquest of paradise. Doesn't have all the unit packs and music or w/e but if you've been looking to try it out this is probably a good time https://www.humblebundle.com/games/europa-universalis-iv?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_2
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Jan 21, 2020 23:37
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Jabor posted:There's no antagonism unless you think being referred to as someone who has influence over many people's purchasing decisions is antagonistic. Do you not? It’s a synonym for shill.
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Jan 21, 2020 23:46
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Family Values posted:Do you not? It’s a synonym for shill. I know many "influencers" who are not blind shills, perhaps you need to expand your horizons and start watching better people?
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Jan 21, 2020 23:52
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TheFlyingLlama posted:humble bundle's got a pretty good deal for EU4 right now, 17 dollars for the game itself and every expansion except for conquest of paradise. Doesn't have all the unit packs and music or w/e but if you've been looking to try it out this is probably a good time EU5 confirmed.
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Family Values posted:Do you not? It’s a synonym for shill. It's a cringy business/legal categorisation, its used by all the PR and marketing firms in their communication to streamers and youtubers and whatnot, and is also used in order to sell execs on using them as a legitimate marketing method. That's all it is, not some antagonistic derogatory term. IIRC it came into general use around 2015, after the FTC/FCC cracked down on sponsored content on youtube without disclosure.
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There's a counterpush to it as a marketing / businessspeak term that views people as mainly a way to sell product and don't care beyond that and these folks are letting themselves get used that way for money. You can see the association from people going "lol that means they are narcissists"  in this very threadIt's just one of those "harmless business term" vs "aha that means you are complicit in kkkapitalist exploitation if you call yourself that" and it's kinda silly to me but that seems to be the point of contention
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Family Values posted:To be fair, that's Paradox's (possibly) derogatory term for streamers, not what they call themselves. Family Values posted:I don’t know about the ‘industry’, but all the streamers seem to refer to themselves as streamers, and generally when you ignore what people call themselves and apply your own label to them it betrays a certain amount of antagonism. Family Values posted:Do you not? It’s a synonym for shill. Lmfao
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:It's a cringy business/legal categorisation, its used by all the PR and marketing firms in their communication to streamers and youtubers and whatnot, and is also used in order to sell execs on using them as a legitimate marketing method. That's all it is, not some antagonistic derogatory term. IIRC it came into general use around 2015, after the FTC/FCC cracked down on sponsored content on youtube without disclosure. In other words, a shill. Anyways, someone said that anyone that calls themselves an influencer must be a narcissist, and my only point was that that's not what the people in question call themselves that's what Paradox calls them. Gobblecoque posted:Lmfao Thank you Something Awful forums poster Gobblecoque. Family Values fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Just watched a YouTube and the guy kept saying he’s a “streamer” the gently caress he some kind of boat man?
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Just watched a YouTube and the guy kept saying he’s a “streamer” the gently caress he some kind of boat man? I think the word you are looking for is "stoker"
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The difference between influencer and shill is that "influencers" tend to get popular before companies take any interest in them. Also the vast majority of streamers are lucky to get 20 simultaneous viewers and the 5-50 range of Paradox game streams are extremely common and are more like discords but with one person who is either very good or very funny or both playing the game over the chat. You should check them out. It's Paradox games so I mean, avoid the frothing nazis, but there are good ones too.
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TheFlyingLlama posted:humble bundle's got a pretty good deal for EU4 right now, 17 dollars for the game itself and every expansion except for conquest of paradise. Doesn't have all the unit packs and music or w/e but if you've been looking to try it out this is probably a good time Is CoP worth buying separately?
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Lazyhound posted:Is CoP worth buying separately? no.
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Lazyhound posted:Is CoP worth buying separately? The random new world can be fun in MP, but was more promising than it was exciting and engaging.
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Lazyhound posted:Is CoP worth buying separately? iirc all it adds is the RNW (cool in theory, but in practice almost always less useful than the normal one, although the fantasy ones are occasionally fun), the ability to play as colonial nations (again, fun to try out once, but not a big deal), and some additional new world mechanics like migration and reforming religions and w/e (conceptually very interesting, in practice it is the most loving tedious thing in the game and absolute not worth doing more than once) if you end up really liking EU4 I'd probably grab it later once it goes on sale, but of all the DLCs it's absolutely the one you can miss with almost no reservations at all
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You don't even need it for MP as the host will undoubtedly be one of those people with all three hundred dollars of DLC. I like the random new worlds though, if they would fix the trade being bugged to hell that would be great.
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I think any streamer is by definition some kind of narcissist
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The only new world nations worth playing are the Inca/Aztec/Maya which are a different dlc iirc. American new world nations are just screwed and terrible to play. RNW needs another pass at the generator. I want it to make landmasses roughly the same size as what exists not....stringy islands that are super small.
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Eimi posted:RNW needs another pass at the generator. I want it to make landmasses roughly the same size as what exists not....stringy islands that are super small. Nonsense, the RNW does very realistic landmasses 
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There's a mod that vastly improves RNW generation and province development, but the creator is one of those fickle workshop people who decided to abandon the mod as of the latest patch.
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Bloody Pom posted:There's a mod that vastly improves RNW generation and province development, but the creator is one of those fickle workshop people who decided to abandon the mod as of the latest patch.
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Lum_ posted:Nonsense, the RNW does very realistic landmasses Honestly that's pretty cool and makes me want to play a game with RNW
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Random New World is such a good idea and so bad in practice. Also one should be able to pick Haudenosaunee or Mexica or whoever and generate a random Old World to gently caress up.
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You should be able to randomize the unknown world from any country's perspective.
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Lum_ posted:Nonsense, the RNW does very realistic landmasses 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Random New World is such a good idea and so bad in practice. It really sucks because you think "oh not knowing what I'll find sounds interesting, let's do it!" and then 100 game years later you realise that when you wanted to colonise what you really wanted was to exploit the vast riches of the Carribean trade but there is no Carribean in this world.
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Lum_ posted:Nonsense, the RNW does very realistic landmasses I imagine there would be a whole lotta blood spilled over that single water passage at the equator.
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Random new world is kind of broken but can be fun, you mostly just need to spend ten minutes generating tilesets over and over again until you get something not poo poo. The trade nodes issue is just unforgivable though. Also a lot of tiles are references to something which gets a bit annoying because America sized Falklands island is not great or interesting to colonize.
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Nothing quite like playing a colonial portugal game with RNW only to realize all the new world trade nodes point towards asia
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Maybe RNW but it generates a seed so you can replay the same good new world and other peoples new world?
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Subscription for EU4 coming. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/experimentation.1311555/
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allegedly it's just going to be an option and you can just buy DLCs like you currently can. Let's see how long that lasts though
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Watching Paradox sloooowwwwwwwly die by degrees as the capitalism poisoning sinks deeper over the years is an interesting case study if nothing else I guess
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Hi I'm fredrik wester paradox ceo and I'm here to tell you why things won't change after we go public and put in a new ceo;
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Pdx needs to gently caress the hell off with any notion of games as a service/subscription models. I love their games and buy literally everything they put out, but this is a line that cannot be crossed.
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I would pay :5bux: a month to have access to CK3, EU5 and all their dlc as it comes out.
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Honestly if eu4 was subscription-based from the start I'd probably have spent less on it overall. It's the sort of thing I binge on for a little bit and then move on to something else. It'd probably be an objectively good deal for someone coming in to the game late who misses out on the current humble bundle. Psychologically it feels bad though. Both the "your game goes away once you stop paying" and the "you've decided to stop paying and move on to a different game, but you want to binge the rest of the month first because you've already paid for that" bits.
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