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Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

El Scotch posted:

Cancel the sale, buy them for the Canadian forces instead.

Everyone is a winner.

Except for the Canadian Forces, who are stuck with even more second rate equipment.

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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/philpott-airport-lounge-executive-1.3731578

quote:

Philpott bills taxpayers $520 for access to Air Canada executive lounge

The controversy surrounding Health Minister Jane Philpott's travel expenses grew on Monday as evidence surfaced that she billed taxpayers $520 for access to Air Canada's executive airport lounges in North America and Europe.

The Opposition Conservatives, who produced a receipt for her lounge membership, said she should repay the money.

"This trend of excess and entitlement on the part of this minister and the government basically is continuing," Conservative health critic Colin Carrie said in an interview.

"It is another example of the minister's lack of judgment and disrespect for the Canadian taxpayer."

Aaron Wudrick, the federal director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, also called for a refund.

"The things that are reasonable expenses are things that are directly related to their job," he said.

"I cannot see what the possible connection would be between her needing lounge access and ability to do her job."

Philpott's office said the minister will reimburse the Air Canada fee in full.

"I have already directed my office ‎to review my expenses," the minister told CBC News. "Any expense that is found to be inappropriate will be reimbursed in full. I apologize and we will take steps to ensure this does not happen again."

Last week, Philpott said she would repay $3,700 in high-end car service costs after it was revealed she billed for $1,700 on one day and more than $1,900 on another day.

The minister's department is also reviewing 20 trips to Toronto Pearson International Airport that cost a total of $3,815 to see if taxpayers were charged fair-market value.

The car service — used to take the minister between work events — was provided by a limo company owned by a volunteer who canvassed for Philpott in the last election.

Pattern of entitlement?

NDP MP Charlie Angus said he is concerned about what could be a pattern of entitlement.

"It is still early days, so we have to see whether these patterns are going to form into something," Angus said.

"What concerns me is this sense of entitlement right off the bat. She doesn't have access to the executive lounge so taxpayers should pay the $500 so she can go sit and have a free drink and get ... taco chips. I think that attitude is of concern and it raises red flags."

Angus said he is also concerned about the overall handling of the issue by the prime minister.

"He said they were going to do government differently," he said.

"We are not asking ministers to bring bag lunches but these kinds of expenses, they're really not necessary."

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made his first public remarks about the spending controversy in Sudbury, Ont. on Monday.

"This situation was a reminder for all of us to be extremely careful about our expenses and about the public trust that we wield," Trudeau said standing in front of his cabinet including Philpott.

Wudrick said his watchdog group welcomes the prime minister's statement, but he said "talk is cheap" and words need to be followed by action.


holy poo poo where the gently caress do we keep finding all these fat bitches to be health minister

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Fluffy Chainsaw posted:

ECOEnergy for Renewable Power represents $1.4 billion of federal investment encompassing 4500 megawatts of renewables. If you think Canada's not doing anything, you're not looking hard enough.

In 2015, despite funding falling by 50%, Canada spent the eight highest amount on renewable energy in the world in absolute dollars 1. Given that we have the 10th largest economy in the world, we're punching above our weight, despite the decline.

If you think we're not doing anything, you're not looking hard enough.

How much of this is the Ontario Liberals pissing away millions in guaranteed contracts to their corporate friends in Samsung and the like?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

namaste faggots posted:

holy poo poo where the gently caress do we keep finding all these fat bitches to be health minister



A just and reasonable question.

Also, how do you not have enough status miles to get access to the loving lounge for free if you're flying as often as you need to in order to be a federal minister? What a moron. You're already getting travel reimbursed, why not just pay for all the extras out of your ample cabinet minister salary?

brucio
Nov 22, 2004
I can't get upset about $520/year for a ministers airport lounge access, sorry. The limos, sure. But this? Who gives a gently caress?

Fluffy Chainsaw
Jul 6, 2016

I'm likely a pissant middle manager who pisses off IT with worthless requests. There is no content within my posts other than a garbage act akin to a know-it-all, which likely is how I behave in real life. It's really hard for me to comprehend how much I am hated by everyone.
The Minister is entitled to her entitlements.

eXXon posted:

How much of this is the Ontario Liberals pissing away millions in guaranteed contracts to their corporate friends in Samsung and the like?

Lots, probably.

flashman
Dec 16, 2003

It makes more sense for her to pay an assistant an hourly wage to expense a bunch of seperate food receipts, to be verified by another salaried employee, which add up to be more than the lounge access.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

flashman posted:

It makes more sense for her to pay an assistant an hourly wage to expense a bunch of seperate food receipts, to be verified by another salaried employee, which add up to be more than the lounge access.

It actually does, because that way two more people have a living wage and at the same time we get to tell an elected official to eat a bag of dicks and justify their expenses.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Bet the camembert was loving frozen, too.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
You only use the loving maple leaf lounge for the open bar you idiots

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

EvilJoven posted:

Seven Sisters just down river.

Also I'd be tempted to enlist if we declared war on Saudi Arabia as long as the Americans didn't side with the Saudis.

Heaven knows we'd be doing the world a favour, but their military is probably better than ours at this point. :sad:

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Remember all the hands winging when we invaded Afghanistan and everyone decided that it was best for Canada to become an isolationist inward looking glue eating nation

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

namaste faggots posted:

Remember all the hands winging when we invaded Afghanistan and everyone decided that it was best for Canada to become an isolationist inward looking glue eating nation

Meanwhile, we have this wonderful man named Gord Downie who spent years urging Canadians to interrogate themselves and their country, and this thread is making GBS threads on him for his good works. :thumbsup:

Fluffy Chainsaw
Jul 6, 2016

I'm likely a pissant middle manager who pisses off IT with worthless requests. There is no content within my posts other than a garbage act akin to a know-it-all, which likely is how I behave in real life. It's really hard for me to comprehend how much I am hated by everyone.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

CTV, Feds spent $10,681 on photos of Catherine McKenna and her staff during Paris climate change talks posted:

The federal environment department paid a French photojournalist $10,681 to take pictures of its minister, Catherine McKenna, and her staff during the COP21 conference on climate change in Paris last year.

Documents given to CTV News initially had the figure in Canadian dollars at $6,662, but that amount was actually in Euros.

Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC) says the sole-source contract for photos issued to Sébastien Leban saved the government travels cost of sending a photographer from Canada to documents the event.

Nearly all the photos from COP21 published by the department feature McKenna herself.

She appears in almost every shot from the conference posted on her ministerial and departmental Twitter accounts, and in each of the 23 pictures currently on ECCC’s Flickr photo-sharing account.
“Photos, like press releases, social media and other communications tools, are a way to communicate to Canadians the work the government is doing on their behalf,” McKenna’s spokesperson, Caitlyn Workman, said in an email.

Because McKenna led the Canadian delegation to the conference in November and December, her ministerial Twitter account “would of course include pictures of the work the Minister was undertaking,” she added.

But the Canadian Taxpayers Federation questioned whether the contract with the photographer was a good use of government money.
“Should taxpayers really be on the hook for what are essentially vanity photos for ministers? I don’t think there’s a compelling argument there,” said CTF federal director Aaron Wudrick.
Wudrick said photos of ministers tend to promote the politician but not necessarily the policy and therefore shouldn’t be funded by government.
Quebec Conservative MP Gérard Deltell said there appears to be a trend within the Liberal government toward cavalier spending, likening the photos to recent reports that Health Minister Jane Philpott had spent thousands of dollars on limousine rides and a membership for airport executive lounges.
“When you spend thousands of dollars on limousines, on the Air Canda lodge, or on pictures in Paris, well, you have to be careful of taxpayer money,” he said.
Government records suggest ECCC was prepared to spend even more on photos if necessary. The value of the contract with Leban is listed on its website at over $19,900 and classified as “management consulting.”

The department said that figure represented the maximum value for the contract, not the amount paid.
Like prime ministers before him, Justin Trudeau has a dedicated staff photographer who travels with him to shoot both public and private events.
But other cabinet ministers must rely on their aides or hire photographers if they want the same kind of record of their public events.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
Remind me how much did it cost for Harper's lego hair to be maintained?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Arivia posted:

Meanwhile, we have this wonderful man named Gord Downie who spent years urging Canadians to interrogate themselves and their country, and this thread is making GBS threads on him for his good works. :thumbsup:

here let me sew on that canadian flag to your back pack for you before you trek across europe thinking everyone likes you better than americans

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

OSI bean dip posted:

Remind me how much did it cost for Harper's lego hair to be maintained?

Dunno, but she was apparently paid by the Party after 2010.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




PMJT will be in Barrie tomorrow for reasons unknown. Unfortunately Im going to be dispensing Viagra and Crestor to old men instead of getting shirtless and taking selfies with our new national hero.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice
Hanging with my buds in the Canpol thread getting outraged about how much money Bardish Chagger spent on pens, good times yall.

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Oh god, Tony Clement is going to be our next Prime Minister isn't he?

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Whiskey Sours posted:

Oh god, Tony Clement is going to be our next Prime Minister isn't he?

Nah it's going to be someone who has Respect For Taxpayers.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Doug Ford for PM!

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

quote:

Ontario Premier Wynne’s ‘chickens have finally come home to roost’ as personal popularity hits new low: poll

Ashley Csanady
Friday, Aug. 19, 2016

Have the “chickens have finally come home to roost” as Premier Kathleen Wynne’s personal approval rating hits an all-time low?

Just 16 per cent of Ontarians approve of Wynne’s job performance, according to a new Forum research poll. Lorne Bozinoff, the firm’s president, said in a statement: “It appears Premier Wynne’s chickens have finally come home to roost, and voters have started to notice the controversies surrounding her government.”

From the scandals left over by her predecessor — deleted gas plant emails, a bungled green energy act and the troubled air ambulance system among them — to more recent exposés of cozy, high-priced Liberal fundraisers, the weight of the party’s nearly 13 years in office is dragging Wynne down.

After bringing the Liberals back to majority power in the party’s fourth-straight election victory in 2014, Wynne is now as unpopular as Dalton McGuinty was before he resigned in the fall of 2012, the last time Forum had a leader as low as 16 per cent approval. (And she has openly debunked rumours she was planning her own retirement before the next vote.)

New Democrat Andrea Horwath remains the most popular leader at Queen’s Park, at 34 per cent support, compared to 26 per cent for Patrick Brown, the PC leader, which is actually a slight drop from the 29 per cent support he earned in July.

To make matters worse for the Liberals, only 14 per cent of respondents said Wynne would make the best premier, with 25 per cent preferring Brown and 17 per cent Horwath. The biggest chunk, 27 per cent, wanted someone else entirely.

The survey of 1,097 was teeming with bad news for the provincial Liberals, who secured just 28 per cent support, compared to 23 per cent for the New Democrats, six per cent for the Green Party and 41 per cent for the PCs — enough to potentially take the premier’s office back from the Liberals for the first time since 2003.

“The beneficiary, however, appears to be the NDP, rather than the PCs, although a majority would be theirs if the election were held today,” Bozinoff said.

But the election isn’t today; it’s still two years out, with the vote expected to be set sometime in the late spring or early summer of 2018. The survey shows that nearly half — 49 per cent — of voters still don’t know much about Brown.

That can both work for and against him: it means the Liberals have yet to frame him in voters’ minds as another big bad Tory, but it also means he has yet to spark their imaginations. Yet, given Wynne and the Liberals’ low approval, Brown might be best to fly under the radar until election time in order to present himself as the best possible alternative.

Too much can also be made of horse-race numbers between elections. The Liberals trailed going into both the 2011 and 2014 election and emerged victorious. Ontarians are also notorious for paying too little attention to provincial matters between votes, something Wynne’s Liberals may be counting on as they embark on an ambitious, but costly and controversial cap-and-trade program. That’s going to add about four cents a litre at the pump, money the government says will be offset in other areas but that’s a tough argument to sell when a cash-strapped family sees their costs going up in such a visible way.

Wynne seems aware of the near-time pain, however, and may believe the controversies will again fade from recent memories once the books are balanced as promised in the spring of 2018, just in time for the writs to be drawn up. As she said in an interview with the National Post in June:

“I’m not surprised that there’s criticism coming at us because we’re building things that are going to have an impact on people’s lives and whenever there’s change, whenever there’s that move forward, there’s going to be people who say — kicking and screaming — ‘We don’t want to go there.’”

“The reality is we’ve put our big plan out in to the public. We’re implementing it. So over the next two years, people are going to see the roll out of that plan. They’re going to see the implementation,” she said, two years almost exactly from when the next provincial election is expected to take place. “Those building blocks that we’re putting in place, people are going to start seeing the benefits of them.”

The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus three per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
Can't wait for ontario voters to inevitably hand us over to the PCs again so they can screw us just as openly but without the wispy veneer of progressiveness

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

16%? That's gotta be down in the "Too drunk/stoned to understand or care about the questions" bin.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

Tighclops posted:

Can't wait for ontario voters to inevitably hand us over to the PCs again so they can screw us just as openly but without the wispy veneer of progressiveness

Your average Ontarian: "I hate the selling off of public assets to fund some public services! Let's elect someone who will sell off more public assets to give tax breaks to rich people! :haw:"

Given previous PC governments' track record, I have to expect that a Brown government would immediately attack pretty much every policy (transit funding, rent control, labor rights, OHIP, etc.) that makes Toronto livable on a third less income than I could get in any appreciably-sized U.S. city. Clinton (and a non-nihilist Senate) there and Brown here would certainly make it worthwhile to at least think about moving.

tagesschau fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Aug 23, 2016

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Constant Hamprince posted:

Hanging with my buds in the Canpol thread getting outraged about how much money Bardish Chagger spent on pens, good times yall.

Canadians don't give a poo poo about a corrupt billion-dollar government contract given to the minister's childhood best friend but they will bring down the government over someone misspending $50 on a taxi.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

vyelkin posted:

Canadians don't give a poo poo about a corrupt billion-dollar government contract given to the minister's childhood best friend but they will bring down the government over someone misspending $50 on a taxi.

They should have taken an Uber! :argh:

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

This idea that Wynne is someone Ontarians actively wanted, as opposed to someone we specifically did not want (Hudak) or someone we didn't really care about (that other guy)... that's an interesting one. Where did it come from?

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

flakeloaf posted:

This idea that Wynne is someone Ontarians actively wanted, as opposed to someone we specifically did not want (Hudak) or someone we didn't really care about (that other guy)... that's an interesting one. Where did it come from?

The more right wing and terrible Wynne reveals herself to be, the better we did at punishing the NDP for their rightward drift, am I correct fellow progressives?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

vyelkin posted:

Canadians don't give a poo poo about a corrupt billion-dollar government contract given to the minister's childhood best friend but they will bring down the government over someone misspending $50 on a taxi.

Yeah, I was thinking about Loungegate last night, and then it occurred to me: wait a second, if you have to pay for lounge access, that must mean you're not travelling in business class. I always assumed that federal cabinet ministers, of all people, would be entitled to business class travel and frankly I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The opposition is doing a really good job of framing these things, I have to say. If you had responsibility comparable to a cabinet minister in any private sector position and they told you to fly coach, you'd rightly tell them to get hosed. And Philpott's only trying to expense lounge access? We should thank her for her restraint.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

1) Saudi Arabia was, is and will continue to be a giant shithole. I yearn for the day where the world is no longer dependent on Saudi Light Sweet Crude so that shitstain of a country can retreat into the sands. I was recently reading an article about Flying Yachts; basically after WW2 people bought surplus Catalina flying boats and converted them into these sweet-rear end flying yachts. A dude pulled his onto a beach in Saudi Arabia with his family in the 50's and got the poo poo shot out of it. When he filed a complaint with the government they basically said; "We beheaded the general leading the assault, and cut the hands off of anyone who took anything from the wreck. Sorry 'bout the bullets in you and your wife, in'shallah." Nothing has changed.

2) OLP is hilariously terrible, but somehow LESS hilariously terrible than Tim Hudak. That is goddamn impressive.

3) Who gives a flying fuuuuuuck about a Cabinet Minister getting access to airport lounges? Job's gotta have some perks y'know. drat, we're paupers compared to Congressmen/Senators in the US.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
It speaks volumes how broken our opposition parties are when the thing they decide to attack the government on is $500 to sit at a lounge rather than say becoming the world largest exporter of arms to the Middle East or the continued mistreatment of indigenous people in this country. Truly this country is hosed. Just blow it up.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

DariusLikewise posted:

It speaks volumes how broken our opposition parties are when the thing they decide to attack the government on is $500 to sit at a lounge rather than say becoming the world largest exporter of arms to the Middle East or the continued mistreatment of indigenous people in this country.

I'd love to hear Ambrose stand up and castigate Trudeau for doing exactly what her party would've done.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PT6A posted:

Yeah, I was thinking about Loungegate last night, and then it occurred to me: wait a second, if you have to pay for lounge access, that must mean you're not travelling in business class. I always assumed that federal cabinet ministers, of all people, would be entitled to business class travel and frankly I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The opposition is doing a really good job of framing these things, I have to say. If you had responsibility comparable to a cabinet minister in any private sector position and they told you to fly coach, you'd rightly tell them to get hosed. And Philpott's only trying to expense lounge access? We should thank her for her restraint.

I'll disagree for two reasons. First, the nature of their job dictates that they should be sensible about their expenses. A cabinet minister's job is essentially just deciding how to spend our tax dollars. Aboriginal Affairs minister is deciding which aboriginal things get money, defence is deciding which defense poo poo gets money, etc. When they start spending small amounts of tax dollars on themselves frivolously, it hints that they may not be careful how they spend large amounts of tax dollars.

Second, it's not comparable to the private sector because private sector companies need to make money. If a private sector company was budgeting to spend $317,000 to make $287,000 and they already had $600,000 in debt, they'd (hopefully) be shutting down the open bar program for their couple of executives. Canada is comparable in that we have many more zeros on those numbers and many more executives and we're more stable in that we can always raise taxes but that doesn't mean that the open bar while flying benefit makes more sense.

Also, the curmudgeon in me says they haven't earned poo poo. Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to run to be MP and they could have just as easily declined becoming a cabinet minister. They knew or should have known the nature of the job when they signed up and either agree to the terms or fight for better ones. Don't just take things you're not entitled to because you feel you're special and deserve them.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I for one am shocked that the government is not run as if it should be a profitable enterprise!

How long has this been going on?

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

PT6A posted:

I for one am shocked that the government is not run as if it should be a profitable enterprise!

How long has this been going on?

You're the one who compared it to profitable enterprises dude.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.
oh look, it's that thing where you say governments can be run like for-profit corporations and make yourself look only slightly less stupid than someone who says governments can be run like households

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Ikantski posted:

You're the one who compared it to profitable enterprises dude.

Clearly they should sell more wind farm permits in Central Ontario to raise revenue. I know juuuust the place.

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
The number one reason businesspeople claim they fly first class is not "because I'm rich" or "because I'm profligate with company finances", it's because they value the added comfort and quiet environment of the private lounge and first class cabin, which they claim is better for efficiency reasons, either because it lets them get work done at the airport and on the plane, or because it makes them better rested when they arrive at their destination, meaning they can get to work quicker and more efficiently than if they need time to recover from flying coach with the rest of us plebs.

If you want to run the government like a business, you should value the efficiency of cabinet ministers and allow them access to first class lounges and cabins so that they can continue doing their important government work while traveling, rather than taking an entire day or more out of their work schedule because they waited in a crowded airport lounge to catch an uncomfortable flight. Alternately, accept that efficiency is bullshit and that the symbolism of government is more important than the actual work done, and insist that health ministers be vegan marathon runners and all cabinet ministers have to pay the absolute bare minimum for all forms of transportation and accommodation to reflect the fact that we always accept the lowest bid on every government contract.

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