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nuru posted:Could you link a timestamp? I don't remember seeing Raubahn anywhere in it, just young Cid. 5:32, literally right after they show young Cid: 
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HiKaizer posted:Coil's story was mostly non-existent until the start of T7. All T1-T5 serve to set up is to hint at the involvement of Louisoux, and that Bahamut is being regenerated by the Coils. It starts setting up a few plot hooks, but it's not until T7 and T9's big reveals that the Coil story really kicks off at all. Some of the fights and the set pieces have some neat minor lore implications if you're into Allagan culture and technology but beyond that it's still pretty quiet. alexander has given us "goblins thought of big robot from engima codex and whoops they summoned it and this au ra that keeps touching her scar cares a lot about it lets walk into these tiny corridor areas with nothing interesting in terms of scenery and extremely boring fights to go with it"
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Young cid is at 2:15 and 5:32 is well after the cataclysm. That's beside the point though, I was looking for a part I missed where they were saying he charges off into battle.
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HiKaizer posted:Coil's story was mostly non-existent until the start of T7. All T1-T5 serve to set up is to hint at the involvement of Louisoux, and that Bahamut is being regenerated by the Coils. It starts setting up a few plot hooks, but it's not until T7 and T9's big reveals that the Coil story really kicks off at all. Some of the fights and the set pieces have some neat minor lore implications if you're into Allagan culture and technology but beyond that it's still pretty quiet. The world was going to be destroyed by a terrible ancient dragon, but it was saved at the last second, and nobody knows how. Now you finally have a lead on solving that mystery. How is that story "non-existent"?
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Coil 1-5 also having a bad story is the biggest revisionist lie people make up to justify how completely garbage and uninteresting the alex story is. The descent into ragnarok and seeing bahamut was an amazing plot bomb reward for downing twintania, as well as amazing visually. I cannot possibly take goblins seriously when it comes to lore, the comic relief feels like the sort of humor that was popular in newgrounds videos 15 years ago. Void Ark has also only had one installment from no legacy lore to draw from and it is far more interesting than alex already.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhaHhE8R8GY That's not the Garlean emperor it's Gaius Van Baelsar, the leader of the imperial legion stationed in Eorzia at the time.
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Fister Roboto posted:The world was going to be destroyed by a terrible ancient dragon, but it was saved at the last second, and nobody knows how. Now you finally have a lead on solving that mystery. How is that story "non-existent"? Cid has known since the mid 30s but won't tell anyone.
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Chyea posted:
You mean you're ready for mega-draconian potions to be added?
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So I think I'm about ready to hop back into this. Is there anywhere to get the heavensward download cheaper online or should I just go with the $28 dollar physical copy from amazon?
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Check GMG, there should almost always be a coupon you can use on it. If you don't mind feeling a bit dirty, you can sell the physical copy right back to Amazon after using the code for an effective discount. I'm told they don't care about used keys or anything, just the physical media. A bit short-sighted if you ask me, but if you're okay with exploiting it, there's an avenue right there.
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Chyea posted:
The rest of your static won't be.
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Fishious posted:Coil 1-5 also having a bad story is the biggest revisionist lie people make up to justify how completely garbage and uninteresting the alex story is. The descent into ragnarok and seeing bahamut was an amazing plot bomb reward for downing twintania, as well as amazing visually. I cannot possibly take goblins seriously when it comes to lore, the comic relief feels like the sort of humor that was popular in newgrounds videos 15 years ago. Not to mention zoning into Twin's area and realizing that you're fighting on Bahaman's petrified hand.
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Coil also just looks better than Alex and has better music, though that's obviously a more subjective assessment.
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ilifinicus posted:uhh zoning out of twintania room into the severed bahamut head mid air is probably one of the raddest things ever in this game, nothing has been even close to that yet. that whole thing was kept so hush-hush by the people who'd managed to clear it that once you got there yourself it was whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Coil was very definitely visually impressive from the start, in a way that Alexander isn't. Fister Roboto posted:The world was going to be destroyed by a terrible ancient dragon, but it was saved at the last second, and nobody knows how. Now you finally have a lead on solving that mystery. How is that story "non-existent"? You get a shot early on of elf grandpa early in turn 1 and then no dialogue until the start of turn 5. The command deck scene with Louisoix and Nael was very exciting, and raised some big questions, but those are the notable events for the entirety of the first Binding Coil. Fishious posted:Coil 1-5 also having a bad story is the biggest revisionist lie people make up to justify how completely garbage and uninteresting the alex story is. The descent into ragnarok and seeing bahamut was an amazing plot bomb reward for downing twintania, as well as amazing visually. I cannot possibly take goblins seriously when it comes to lore, the comic relief feels like the sort of humor that was popular in newgrounds videos 15 years ago. Likewise Alexander having little story compared to Binding Coil 1 is a weird thing people who seem to dislike the theme and visuals of Alexander like to spread. There are cutscenes after every floor of Alexander with story related dialogue and they introduce and start developing two characters specifically for the story while giving us more insight into the Illuminati. The Binding Coil was visually impressive and had great set pieces, and I personally loved it as well. But even taking in the 5-6 minute pre-rendered cutscene from the end of an era, Alexander as of the end of Gordian still has more cutscenes and dialogue than the First Binding Coil did. It's fine if you don't like the theme and story, but, saying it has less story than the Binding Coil not accurate at all as long as you compare the first sections of both. Otherwise you're not comparing apples to apples so of course they'll be different.
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nuru posted:Could you link a timestamp? I don't remember seeing Raubahn anywhere in it, just young Cid. Here.
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I can't help but feel that my cnj is poo poo at healing. I did the first dungeon of the msq and was scaled down from level 20 to 18. My cures were barely keeping up with the damage the tank was getting and only healing for like 140. What am I doing wrong
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Volume posted:I can't help but feel that my cnj is poo poo at healing. I did the first dungeon of the msq and was scaled down from level 20 to 18. My cures were barely keeping up with the damage the tank was getting and only healing for like 140. What am I doing wrong Is Cleric Stance on? Because that could be your issue. Also you get a passive at 20 that increase the potency of your heals.
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Volume posted:I can't help but feel that my cnj is poo poo at healing. I did the first dungeon of the msq and was scaled down from level 20 to 18. My cures were barely keeping up with the damage the tank was getting and only healing for like 140. What am I doing wrong Is your weapon up to date? It's by far the most important piece of gear, even on healers.
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cheetah7071 posted:Is your weapon up to date? It's by far the most important piece of gear, even on healers. This and Cleric Stance are the biggest potential causes. Also make sure your gear isn't broken.
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So I'm having a very important discussion with my roommate: Is the FFXIV monk artwork a Hyur or a Roe.
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Samba De Amigo posted:So I'm having a very important discussion with my roommate: Looks like Hyur. Nose ain't right for Roegadame, and official art tends to pretend we don't exist.
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Definitely a Hyur, the nose is definitely not Roe
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Samba De Amigo posted:Is the FFXIV monk artwork a Hyur or a Roe. Hyur, lorewise monks are from Ala Mhigo and Ala Mhigans are Hyur. Also that's a Hyur hairstyle.
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Plus, there were multiple cool plot twists in coil. Alex would be a lot better if instead of being a lame gobbie robot it was actually a shell for DOOMTRAIN
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Adventure Pigeon posted:Plus, there were multiple cool plot twists in coil. Alex would be a lot better if instead of being a lame gobbie robot it was actually a shell for DOOMTRAIN Doomtrain runs off gobbie cheese fumes. Also they'll finally bring back Hildibrand and have Godbert suplex doomtrain.
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Adventure Pigeon posted:Plus, there were multiple cool plot twists in coil. Alex would be a lot better if instead of being a lame gobbie robot it was actually a shell for DOOMTRAIN Doomtrain is a meme that was tired years ago. Alexander's problem is that Hinterlands loving blows - there's very little in the way of plot development in it, and none of it actually ties into the raid at all. The only mention of it is post-final-credits, and the NPCs involved don't do anything until you try to unlock it.
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Niton posted:Doomtrain is a meme that was tired years ago. I like doomtrain regardless of meme status.
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HiKaizer posted:Coil was very definitely visually impressive from the start, in a way that Alexander isn't. Having more cutscenes and dialogue doesn't make it better. Especially if those cutscenes are boring and uninteresting. Saying that First Coil has less of a story because it doesn't have as many cutscenes is really dumb.
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Niton posted:Doomtrain is a meme that was tired years ago. 
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Alex needs to be about how gobbies done goofed and every cutscene needs at least 3 gobbies. Instead we get a stupid dragon waifu that is boring and only a few scenes with cool gobbies.
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Fister Roboto posted:Having more cutscenes and dialogue doesn't make it better. Especially if those cutscenes are boring and uninteresting. Saying that First Coil has less of a story because it doesn't have as many cutscenes is really dumb. If you and other people don't care for Alex or the theme or whatever other part of it you feel is inferior to Coil that's fine, just don't say it has less or no story because of that because it's inaccurate.
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HiKaizer posted:If you and other people don't care for Alex or the theme or whatever other part of it you feel is inferior to Coil that's fine, just don't say it has less or no story because of that because it's inaccurate. Nobody's saying that though.
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A Moose posted:Coil sounds really cool and good, but I'm only level 40 right now. Do people still run that or do I have to wait until some future expansion when I can solo it? You should be able to run it with one of the goon FCs on Excalibur. They get an in-game currency for beating it with new people, so it's not tremendously difficult to get guys interested in helping out.
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Are the people who are arguing that Coil has no story also the people who cleared it after it was in DF? I don't know if you get the same experience if you're just straight queuing each one or not.
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nuru posted:Are the people who are arguing that Coil has no story also the people who cleared it after it was in DF? I don't know if you get the same experience if you're just straight queuing each one or not. I believe you actually get the outro special zones the very first time you clear through DF, but not for any subsequent times. HiKaizer posted:If you and other people don't care for Alex or the theme or whatever other part of it you feel is inferior to Coil that's fine, just don't say it has less or no story because of that because it's inaccurate. Alexander has poo poo for story. It has zero buildup before the unlock (in fact, it's not touched on during the main plot at all), and the plot distracts from what was supposed to be the awesome part (Goblins are too stupid to understand the danger they're putting themselves in) to write a story about some Au Ra who you've also never met or cared about at any point. Niton fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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