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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

Larry Parrish posted:

It's been said a million times but it's so embarrassing that even in fantasy liberals cant imagine anything getting done

Well what are they going to do? They already live in the best of all possible worlds. Liberalism is the global hegemon.

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GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
this tweet was shamefully overlooked

https://twitter.com/BrianJWooster/status/1072365281505361920

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

https://twitter.com/BlackSocialists/status/1073579977214447617?s=19

:thunk:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Time to listen to ask the Cuban diaspora population about stories of their father's plantation that was wrongfully stolen from them during the revolution

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Dreddout posted:

Time to listen to ask the Cuban diaspora population about stories of their father's plantation that was wrongfully stolen from them during the revolution

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

I just got back from talking to the Iranian diaspora, and they say they want the Shah back. also they kept insisting they’re white even though I didn’t bring it up.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I just got back from talking to the Iranian diaspora, and they say they want the Shah back. also they kept insisting they’re white even though I didn’t bring it up.

Why were you talking to jontron

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

was it ever confirmed if Jon Jafari’s uncle was that bodybuilder who helped overthrow Mossadegh?

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

was it ever confirmed if Jon Jafari’s uncle was that bodybuilder who helped overthrow Mossadegh?

Given Jon's physique I'd lean towards no

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

It's a shame mossadegh was couped by a guy named Kermit

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Larry Parrish posted:

It's been said a million times but it's so embarrassing that even in fantasy liberals cant imagine anything getting done

in my fantasy the world is one giant soviet union with Lenin's face carved into the moon by lasers

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Karl Barks posted:

It's a shame mossadegh was couped by a guy named Kermit

Someday we’ll find it
The Reza Connection

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1073975019238244352

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Karl Barks posted:

It's a shame mossadegh was couped by a guy named Kermit

Had no idea Dr. Peterson was that old.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Jacobin bad so what

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


the failure of the PT was a consequence of their own neoliberalism and jacobin was absolutely right to be critical of them.

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the failure of the PT was a consequence of their own neoliberalism and jacobin was absolutely right to be critical of them.

yeah they literally took the line of the communists in brazil, I read their pink tide issue and this was fairly explicit. people (especially ben loving norton) will get upset either way

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1073972442660368384?s=21

eh. this seems far-fetched but I guess more absurd things have happened. And the PR team for the admin most likely is rabid little channers

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Did any of you actually read the article

quote:

Critique of the PT as neoliberal was particularly hyperbolic during the period from 2014 (as right-wing mobilization gained force in Brazil) through 2017 (well after the parliamentary coup against PT president Dilma Rousseff). For example, in his widely read 2014 book on the politics of Brazil’s World Cup and Olympics, Dave Zirin, sports editor of The Nation, lamented a “popular impression that Lula genuinely cared about the poor—even as he was turning Brazil into a neoliberal paradise.” As impeachment proceedings raged in 2016, a frequent Jacobin author argued that the right was kicking “wide open the doors of neoliberalism opened by the PT itself over the last decade,” while, an article by another frequent contributor stated that “the PT, after all, guided Brazil through Neoliberalization.”

To be sure, the PT engaged in numerous compromises and questionable alliances during its time in power, most significantly the maintenance of the so-called macroeconomic policy, “tripod” of inflation targeting, floating exchange rates, and meeting yearly primary fiscal surplus targets. However, the “tripod” was originally instituted not by the PT, but, in 1999, under the indubitably neoliberal government of PSDB president Fernando Henrique Cardoso. One can find other elements of neoliberal policy during the PT governments—all valid targets of left critique. However, the idea that the PT was straightforwardly neoliberal or, more jarringly, that the party “guided Brazil through neoliberalization” long after neoliberalism’s “peak” in 1998, is a smear that beggars belief. Despite its numerous compromises with neoliberalism, during the PT’s time in power the party pursued policies of wage and benefit increases that helped lift some 40 million people out of poverty, vastly expanded university access for working class and Afro-Brazilian students, extended labor rights to Brazil’s miserably exploited domestic servants and stimulated internal production and consumption of nationally manufactured goods. All this after a prolonged period of neoliberalism and austerity that preceded Lula’s election in 2002.

Why, as the forces behind a parliamentary coup sought to undo these crucial and hard-fought gains, would left wing publications argue that the PT “did nothing to challenge class power or threaten the elite,” that it failed to “make good on its promises of ‘social ascension,’” or that the party was engaged in “ongoing attacks on workers and democratic rights”’—to take a sampling of representative 2014-2017 assertions in Jacobin? Why, as the coup was being consolidated with the transparently political corruption conviction of Lula, and as a 20-year freeze on social spending was written into Brazil’s constitution, would a left wing publication print spuriously that it is “unclear whether a PT government would diverge from the path set by [post-coup president Michel] Temer… neither the party nor Lula has committed to overturning the despicable array of austerity measures and labor reforms implemented by Temer and his cronies”?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1073972442660368384?s=21

eh. this seems far-fetched but I guess more absurd things have happened. And the PR team for the admin most likely is rabid little channers

The fact that it was worded so awkwardly does make it seem like they were trying to fit an exact number of words in tbh.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1073972442660368384?s=21

eh. this seems far-fetched but I guess more absurd things have happened. And the PR team for the admin most likely is rabid little channers

this is the third time something like this has happened

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1073972442660368384?s=21

eh. this seems far-fetched but I guess more absurd things have happened. And the PR team for the admin most likely is rabid little channers

The DHS has done it before, so it seem plausible to me

quote:

A press release issued in February 2018 on the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) website included a title with fourteen words similarly structured to the white supremacist phrase ("We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again").[92] The release also included a reference to the number '88' in the text: "On average, out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum."

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
a DHS guy who worked in the immigration part of the house was hanging out with Nazis and emailing Richard Spencer and his friends about having themed "Judenfrei" dinner parties. it's not a coincidence.

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

Algund Eenboom posted:

Did any of you actually read the article

those critiques didnt just just come from jacobin though, socialists in brazil were critical of the PT prior to 2014 and under Dilma's presidency. the PSOL was critical and didn't endorse or call for a vote for Dilma during the last round of voting in 2014. at best you can say the PT is a social democratic party, so yes they deserve to be defended against the likes of Bolsonaro - and the left in and outside of Brazil did support them and call for votes for them during 2018 - but prior to that many saw criticism of the PT as correct on the basis that if the party did not move left and engage in serious working class politics and start to build power among the workers, that there decrease in support in 2014 would translate into a victory for the right in 2018. which is exactly what happened.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

put plutonis in charge of brazil and may god help the survivors

GalacticAcid posted:

eh. this seems far-fetched but I guess more absurd things have happened.

on the one hand with numerology you can find whatever you want wherever you want, but on the other hand those guys definitely brownshirts

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Hmm yea the repeated occurrences def make it seem more likely. Just wonder if I could go through some totally innocuous releases and find similar patterns, and I’m too lazy to do that. basically,


Prav posted:

on the one hand with numerology you can find whatever you want wherever you want, but on the other hand those guys definitely brownshirts

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah I was initially dismissive but then a while back it turned out one of their or people was buds with Spencer so yeah

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

"We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again" is way too close to be a coincidence imo

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/971464794804023296

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/federation-american-immigration-reform

quote:

John Tanton founded the Federation for American Immigration Reform on Jan. 2, 1979, in Washington D.C. Roger Conner, an environmental lawyer, was appointed executive director, while Tanton served as the chairman of the board of directors. Before establishing FAIR, Tanton had experience working with groups concerned about how population growth affected the environment. Tanton served in several Sierra Club leadership posts, and he had been the president of Zero Population Growth, a group founded by biologist and longtime FAIR adviser Paul Ehrlich, from 1975 to 1977.

[...]

On Oct. 9, 1988, the Arizona Republic published excerpts from embarrassing memos that had been sent by Tanton and Conner to members of FAIR’s leadership. The documents were known as the WITAN memos; they came from an October 1986 conference in which Tanton met with a number of anti-immigration activists for a strategy session. The memos revealed Tanton’s innermost, and controversial, thoughts. Tanton warned of a “Latin onslaught,” complained of Latinos’ allegedly low “educability.” He asked, “Will Latin American migrants bring with them the tradition of the mordida (bribe), the lack of involvement in public affairs, etc.?” He also wondered: “Can homo contraceptivus [meaning whites] compete with homo progenitiva [meaning Latinos] if borders aren’t controlled? Or is advice to limit ones [sic] family simply advice to move over and let someone else with greater reproductive powers occupy the space?”

In the memos, Tanton, sounding much like the Klan of the 1920s, expressed concerns over the role of the Catholic Church in the United States, a favorite topic of his. He worried that the Church would capitalize on the Catholic faith of Latino immigrants to exert more political influence in the U.S. Specifically, he thought the church would try to subvert the division between church and state and limit abortion and birth control.

Linda Chavez, then the executive director of another group founded by John Tanton and of which he was then president, U.S. English, resigned because of the memos, calling them “repugnant and not excusable” and “anti-Catholic and anti-Hispanic.” Several members of U.S. English’s board, including Walter Cronkite and Arnold Schwarzenegger, also quit the group, and Tanton resigned. But there was no fallout for Tanton with his colleagues at FAIR; there, Tanton was supported and a committee created to craft his defense for the incendiary comments in the WITAN memos.

The memos were far from the sum of Tanton’s extremism. As reports by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) would document, Tanton has a lengthy record of friendly correspondence with Holocaust deniers, a former Klan lawyer and leading white nationalist thinkers, including Jared Taylor (who wrote in 2005, “When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears”). On another occasion, Tanton wrote a major FAIR funder to suggest she read the work of radical anti-Semitic professor Kevin MacDonald — to “give you a new understanding of the Jewish outlook on life” — and suggested that the entire FAIR board discuss the man’s theories about the Jews. In a letter to FAIR board member Donald Collins, Tanton enthused over the work of John Trevor Sr. — a key architect of the bluntly racist Immigration Act of 1924 and a man who distributed pro-Nazi propaganda and warned shrilly of “diabolical Jewish control” of America — and said it should serve FAIR as “a guidepost to what we must follow again this time.” Tanton has also made several racist comments, telling a reporter in 1997 that unless U.S. borders are sealed, America will be overrun by people “defecating and creating garbage and looking for jobs.”

[...]

Tanton’s preoccupation with immigration appears to be based, at least in part, on race. In a March 3, 1993 memo to FAIR board member Otis Graham, he demonstrated his desire to limit the number of nonwhites living in the U.S. The memo concerned a new group Tanton wanted to start, which he would have named the League for European American Defense, Education, and Research, or LEADERs [sic]. According to another Tanton memo, he had hatched the idea with help from three prominent white nationalists: the Council of Conservative Citizens’ Sam Francis, American Renaissance‘s Jared Taylor and Wayne Lutton, who edits Tanton’s hate journal The Social Contract. Tanton wrote in his LEADERs memo: “Projections by the U.S. Census Bureau show that midway into the next century, the current European-American majority will become a minority. … This is unacceptable; we decline to bequeath to our children minority status in their own land.” Here, Tanton made it quite clear that the skin color of immigrants factored into his desire to limit immigration.

[...]

Several FAIR officials have links to white supremacist hate groups. Rick Oltman, who for much of the 1990s was FAIR’s western regional coordinator, spoke as part of a 1997 immigration panel sponsored by the Council of Conservative Citizens, a racist group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.” Council publications at the time listed Oltman as a member. Jim Staudenraus, FAIR’s eastern regional coordinator, participated in an anti-immigration conference in 2002 with white nationalist Jared Taylor. In 2007, a senior FAIR official met with leaders of Vlaams Belang, a Belgian political party that officials in that country outlawed in a previous incarnation (Vlaams Blok) as a “criminal organization” because of its racist, anti-immigrant views.

In late 2006, FAIR hired Joseph Turner as its western field representative after Oltman departed. Turner was the founder of the Southern California group Save Our State, a now-defunct anti-immigrant hate group that was known for attracting neo-Nazis to its rallies. Turner was on record before joining FAIR as saying that being a white separatist did not imply a person was racist. Turner once accused Mexican immigrants of turning California into a “third world cesspool.” He left FAIR in December 2007 shortly after the SPLC, in tandem with publishing an extensive report on the group’s racism that included Turner’s inflammatory comments, designated FAIR as a hate group. FAIR representatives did not comment as to the reason for Turner’s departure.

FAIR board members harbor extreme views and connections as well. Garrett Hardin, a now-deceased biologist, was a very close friend of Tanton’s and an active board member of FAIR from the mid-1980s until around 1996. Like Tanton, he often expressed eugenicist views. Hardin was a longtime supporter of population control: In 1968, he wrote “The Tragedy of the Commons,” in which he argued that “[the] freedom to breed is intolerable.” In a 1992 interview with Omni magazine, he argued against sending food to starving Ethiopians, noting that doing so would only “encourage population growth.” In that interview, he lauded China for its “one-child policy” but lamented that the policy was not thorough enough. Former Colorado Gov. Richard Lamm, a longtime member of FAIR’s board of advisors, once said that “new cultures” in America were “diluting what we are and who we are.”

Longtime FAIR board member Donald A. Collins writes frequently for the VDARE.com, an anti-immigrant hate site named after Virginia Dare, said to have been the first English child born in the New World. (VDARE is dedicated to bashing immigrants and has published the work of many white nationalists and anti-Semites.) Collins has been published in The Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies, a journal run by eugenicist Roger Pearson. Collins’ articles have focused on attacking the Catholic Church for its liberal stance on immigration. One accused Los Angeles Archbishop Roger Mahony of selling out his country “in exchange for more temporal power and glory.” Another claimed bishops were “infiltrating and manipulating the American political process” to dismantle the separation of church and state — the classic calumny directed at American Catholics for decades by the Klan and others. Another person linked to VDARE is Joe Guzzardi, a member of FAIR’s board of advisors who worked as an editor of the site.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
FAIR promotes tweets all the time

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
just to note that twitter makes money directly off those racists lol

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


Come for the "anti immigration activists are Nazis" stay for the "anti immigration activists are ZPG types"

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/ClaraSorrenti/status/1073313402485923841

she's right, but the replies are a trash fire

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the molotov-ribbentrop pact was only as insane as the bigger geopolitical problem stalin was facing at a time when the tories in the UK were actively courting the nazis to form an inter-imperialist and anti-communist pact.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Stalin loving proposed attacking Hitler but the UK and France poo poo their pants and forced him into Molotov-Ribbentrop lol

The proposal was “collective security” and liberal / conservative / social democratic historians breeze over it like it was nothing

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
That’s not entirely fair, France was interested but waited on the limeys and of course the garbage empire nixed it

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

GalacticAcid posted:

Stalin loving proposed attacking Hitler but the UK and France poo poo their pants and forced him into Molotov-Ribbentrop lol

The proposal was “collective security” and liberal / conservative / social democratic historians breeze over it like it was nothing

It was just an excuse for him to justify Molotov-Ribbentrop of course. Don't ask how he knew the British would reject it or why they would.

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It was just an excuse for him to justify Molotov-Ribbentrop of course. Don't ask how he knew the British would reject it or why they would.

grumpy UK dwarf: never thought i'd die fighting FASCISTS side by side with a COMMIE

sexy stalin elf: what about with a friend?

grumpy uk dwarf: aye.... i can do thaaaa

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GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

ShriekingMarxist posted:

grumpy UK dwarf: never thought i'd die fighting FASCISTS side by side with a COMMIE

sexy stalin elf: what about with a friend?

grumpy uk dwarf: aye.... i can do thaaaa

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