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Animal-Mother posted:After Mack 10 references from Nash, the Outsiders entering to the Fugees at house shows, signing Master P to a deal, and Konnan having his own rap video, WCW put their finger on the pulse of pop culture and called in.... KISS. People forget how hot Kiss was at that time.
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Oct 21, 2022 18:16
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I remember Psycho Circus being pretty big.
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Halloween Jack posted:I remember Psycho Circus being pretty big. the video game was... shockingly competent, at least by the standards of licensed late 90s video games
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Oct 21, 2022 18:28
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I did like the Detroit Rock City movie lol
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I have a VHS copy of "Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park", it's a gem.
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At least ICP supposedly worked for cheap, and were really enthusiastic about getting in the ring.
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It's a shame the Oddities entrance at the Highway to Hell Summerslam in MSG was cut out from the Network. The entire place going insane for ICP is about as 1998 as you can get.
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Animal-Mother posted:After Mack 10 references from Nash, the Outsiders entering to the Fugees at house shows, signing Master P to a deal, and Konnan having his own rap video, WCW put their finger on the pulse of pop culture and called in.... KISS. I still love Master P's posse were getting like 50K an appearance. Nice work if you can get it.
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About the Mountie, I'm never surprised to hear of wrestlers being lovely people anymore, but I will say I remember as a kid being really upset that he blatantly abused his legal authority to shock people, I guess an early sign that ACAB. Also I didn't watch much of the Master P stuff but it was pretty hilarious that the heel group made an anti-rap song that got big pops from the WCW core audience.
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Oct 22, 2022 01:09
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Dawgstar posted:I still love Master P's posse were getting like 50K an appearance. Nice work if you can get it. I think some of the guys in his entourage got paid without ever even making an appearance
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Oct 22, 2022 01:34
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haljordan posted:I think some of the guys in his entourage got paid without ever even making an appearance Make Turner's accountants say "Uhh..."
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Rusty Shackelford posted:People forget how hot Kiss was at that time. Hate to say it but kiss was pretty big in the late 90s. There was a lot of crossover between kiss and wrestling fans. And kiss fans love spending money on poo poo with the kiss logo. Having their own wrestler was overkill, but having them play a song on tv wasn’t a bad idea. You just need to get those people to continue to watch once the song is over.
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The American Dream posted:Hate to say it but kiss was pretty big in the late 90s. There was a lot of crossover between kiss and wrestling fans. And kiss fans love spending money on poo poo with the kiss logo. I'm pretty sure one of the final trades the guy who traded his way from a paperclip to a house made was a KISS snowglobe for a role in a movie.
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The American Dream posted:Hate to say it but kiss was pretty big in the late 90s. There was a lot of crossover between kiss and wrestling fans. And kiss fans love spending money on poo poo with the kiss logo. Honestly, I'd probably say that having them randomly play on live TV was a worse idea than giving them a wrestler? Like you said, there was a good amount of overlap between people who thought wrestling was cool and people who thought KISS was cool in 1999. There's less overlap between people who want to watch a wrestling show and people who want to watch live music that's kind of mediocre because it's being filmed at a wrestling show on a random Monday night.
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Angry_Ed posted:Make Turner's accountants say "Uhh..." Sadly this wasn't even a thing unique to Bischoff-era WCW. JCP brought in Iron Sheik but Sheiky Baby was really bad by 1989-ish (and before, really) so they sent him home but promptly forgot he was under contract so they had to pay him 100K when his contract rolled over the next year. 200K or so not to wrestle is, again, nice work if you can get it.
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I was around 15 or 16 at the time and remember being sort of confused and thinking it was lame about the whole Kiss Demon thing. Their music is so bland and boring but they acted like they're some sort of hardcore metal band.
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Also in the contract with kiss the demon had to be in 3 main events. So they’d advertise the kiss demon in a special main event that would happen midway through the show. I’d assume they all happened in the first hour before raw started so you didn’t lose a million people for the night.
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The American Dream posted:Also in the contract with kiss the demon had to be in 3 main events. So they’d advertise the kiss demon in a special main event that would happen midway through the show. I’d assume they all happened in the first hour before raw started so you didn’t lose a million people for the night. The special main events were PPV matches.
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MassRafTer posted:The special main events were PPV matches. Oops. It was just one main event on ppv. It was the 4th match of super brawl against the wall, brother. I think I just remember them talking about a special main event during nitro and assumed it happened while watching raw.
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The American Dream posted:Oops. It was just one main event on ppv. It was the 4th match of super brawl against the wall, brother. WCW had Kiss vs Pink Floyd on a show that also featured James Brown. The wrong drat company won.
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Whether or not KISS was still popular in 99 wasn't really the question, it was who they were popular to. In 99 KISS felt like the lamest dad rock and having them on Nitro felt very uncool. Master P didn't work out but at least he was a legit massive star at the time.
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The movie Detroit Rock City also came out in 99 which helped give KISS a bit of a resurgence with people too. Including dorks like me who grew up on hair metal and all that poo poo and had a KISS Army patch on his backpack. I liked the idea of the Demon character as a wrestler because the look is a fun dumb look for a wrestler but it was all incredibly lame even to me.
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Ganso Bomb posted:The movie Detroit Rock City also came out in 99 which helped give KISS a bit of a resurgence with people too. Including dorks like me who grew up on hair metal and all that poo poo and had a KISS Army patch on his backpack. It was a huge bomb.
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Ganso Bomb posted:The movie Detroit Rock City also came out in 99 which helped give KISS a bit of a resurgence with people too. Including dorks like me who grew up on hair metal and all that poo poo and had a KISS Army patch on his backpack. i loved this dogshit movie as a child, Natasha Lyonne killed it in her weird little side role Master P also appealed to me greatly and I was so happy to see him in WCW. my taste is not the taste of someone WCW should have been marketing toward
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remember how the secret level in 2000's Tony Hawk Underground was a KISS concert the only thing that was hot about KISS in the late 90s was KISS' marketing budget
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Alaois posted:remember how the secret level in 2000's Tony Hawk Underground was a KISS concert That's basically been true for most of their existence, and Gene prefers it that way. He literally believes 0% of people making music do it for any motivation other than money.
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MassRafTer posted:It was a huge bomb. For people who already liked KISS, it was an excuse to care about them again. At least with the people I knew at the time.
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Did The Demon ever feud with the ICP? There's gotta be money in an Insane Clown Posse vs KISS feud.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxmPLumK_Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtaGEyELDuY
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Alaois posted:remember how the secret level in 2000's Tony Hawk Underground was a KISS concert They had the number one tour in 1997. Manufactured or not, there was a huge Kiss resurgence at that time.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:They had the number one tour in 1997. Manufactured or not, there was a huge Kiss resurgence at that time. And the top two tours of 99 were Springsteen and the Rolling Stones. I love Bruce but I wouldn't book him on Nitro. I would book him on Dynamite to do a table spot with Sting, however. KISS was a very successful money making band. Bands with older fanbases with money to spend can make a lot of money on tour. They just won't appeal to "the casual fan."
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Well yeah none of the musician guest spots worked out, it didn’t matter how hot the act was.
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Turns out Wrestling fans don't want to see a concert at a Wrestling event (Unless it's Jam, Project at the start of an Event in Japan cause Jam Project)
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DX band probably cost 1%-2%what wcw paid kiss to record the DX theme song and appear at wrestlemania 14. Guess which one made waaaaaay more money for their associated wrestling company.
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But then the DX theme evolved and became THE KING OF ROCK WHO THE KING OF ROCK WHAT
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Alaois posted:remember how the secret level in 2000's Tony Hawk Underground was a KISS concert I remember that level being fairly fun to play, probably the first Kiss related thing I ever enjoyed.
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Sandman McMahon posted:Did The Demon ever feud with the ICP? There's gotta be money in an Insane Clown Posse vs KISS feud. The American Dream posted:DX band probably cost 1%-2%what wcw paid kiss to record the DX theme song and appear at wrestlemania 14.
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Dawgstar posted:Sadly this wasn't even a thing unique to Bischoff-era WCW. JCP brought in Iron Sheik but Sheiky Baby was really bad by 1989-ish (and before, really) so they sent him home but promptly forgot he was under contract so they had to pay him 100K when his contract rolled over the next year. 200K or so not to wrestle is, again, nice work if you can get it. I'm pretty sure WCW also bought plane tickets for EVERYONE on the roster for Nitro tapings, even guys who didn't have matches on the show. Just an astounding waste of money.
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