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He's killing it on Doom Patrol though. His catch phrase is "gently caress".
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I know if I wanted to rent a private "cabin" I would want the wall beside the bed to just be a window
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Len posted:I know if I wanted to rent a private "cabin" I would want the wall beside the bed to just be a window
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Len posted:I know if I wanted to rent a private "cabin" I would want the wall beside the bed to just be a window You don't like bears watching you have sex?
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Zero One posted:You don't like bears watching you have sex? well now that you put it that way...
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Feb 8, 2021 15:52
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Pooh just out there pawing his hunny pot Oh bother
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Feb 8, 2021 16:05
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CelticPredator posted:All that plus his injury’s on films which really messed him up. Man, the few times you see him as "himself" on Doom Patrol (and not just as a robot voice,) you can really tell. Even though they don't have him do much, you can just see his walking and movement is very stiff. Which I think it's not always such a great thing when we see actors "do their own stunts." For one, they're taking jobs from stunt artists who have training to do the stunts and also enjoy being employed, and two, it can lead to poo poo like that. I don't think Fraser is the first actor to talk about how doing their own stunts led to injury. How Tom Cruise manages to still do it is anyone's guess, though I guess despite his crazy Scientology-ness, by all accounts he's a crazy professional and workaholic on set so really he's had pretty much as much training as a real stunt guy. But, as said, as a VOA on Doom Patrol he's great, fun show, everyone should watch it.
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There are some upsides to actors doing their own stunts, like I don’t think the John Wick movies would work if Keanu Reeves didn’t do his own stunts. It’s how they manage to have zero shakycam or excess cuts.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Man, the few times you see him as "himself" on Doom Patrol (and not just as a robot voice,) you can really tell. Even though they don't have him do much, you can just see his walking and movement is very stiff. The one and only thing that made me think well of tom cruise was a recent attempted hitpiece which tried to present him as a bully drama queen for being angry with production crew for being covid casual. Not wearing masks and clumping up to watch takes n poo poo. They quoted him as talking about how this stuff risks productions being shut down and how this costs people their jobs, and somehow this was him being a diva. I'm no tom cruise fan, but the transcripts I read made him sound a hell of a lot less terrible than I expected.
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It’s the yelling/tone of it, I think. I get what he means, and the immense pressure/frustration, but the yelling part is tough because 1) that probably wouldn’t be OK in most professional settings, and 2) he’s not just the star, he’s a boss. I think he’s been Exec Producer for most of them? So he has this immense power, and there’s no recourse. People in that scenario are likely trying to do their best in a trying time. They’re not horsing around, but maybe just trying to do their job and got a little lax. Now, I understand that laxness can add up or be the vector of a much larger problem. Did they make a mistake? Probably, but does that require a big show of being shouted down? Probably not. At least, what I recall of what I heard was yelling. Maybe he was talking at an elevated tone, but it did come off as a bit bullying/venting. And what I had heard was mostly about the 2 people looking at takes together.
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While I think he’s right to call out that it could negatively impact the entire production and a lot of people’s jobs, and it’s OK to be upset about it, I wonder how much of the anger in his reaction stemmed from the fact that it’s really hard to justify putting people’s lives at risk over a largely disposable action movie franchise sequel, which is what he and the rest of the big shots were doing.
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Cruise might be a crazy cultist but he seems to treat his productions with nothing but pure care and professionalism. I don't think I've ever seen a person with a bad word to say about him professionally, and that includes people like extras, crew, and catering
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Tom Cruise is an extremely rare example of the type of person I should hate on every level, but actually seems relatively decent in person and who I keep liking in movies despite myself. Obviously he cheated on his charisma roll.
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I've heard that he sends a Christmas card and check for $20 to pretty much anyone he meets every year.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I've heard that he sends a Christmas card and check for $20 to pretty much anyone he meets every year. And he sends them a cake.
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And only occasionally acts as the mouthpiece for an international criminal cult that literally kidnaps and murders people.
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I will say it’s crazy how good the Mission: Impossible series is aside from M:I 2. I think Ghost Protocol still has some of the best sets, but Fallout had a surprisingly engaging storyline despite being the 6th movie.
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Phanatic posted:And only occasionally acts as the mouthpiece for an international criminal cult that literally kidnaps and murders people. I think it usually kidnaps or murders people, not both (to the same person).
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Phanatic posted:And only occasionally acts as the mouthpiece for an international criminal cult that literally kidnaps and murders people. The fact they haven't had a massive group suicide, a terrorist attack, or been besieged by the FBI is something I guess.
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Gaius Marius posted:The fact they haven't had a massive group suicide, a terrorist attack, or been besieged by the FBI is something I guess. They literally spent decades infiltrating the US government.
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My dad worked on a (non-Hollywood) movie that Cruise was in. He and the other staff (like 10-15 people) were invited to the premier but told they couldn't bring their families because it would disturb Cruise's family. This was such a weird, insulting thing to say that they literally all boycotted it.
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Boywhiz88 posted:It’s the yelling/tone of it, I think. I get what he means, and the immense pressure/frustration, but the yelling part is tough because 1) that probably wouldn’t be OK in most professional settings, and 2) he’s not just the star, he’s a boss. I think he’s been Exec Producer for most of them? You're allowed to be a bad person if you're polite and quiet about it these days, even if it harms others. But it doesn't matter how right/moral your point is if you break decorum and are disruptive, and you certainly can't be mean about it as that makes you worse, somehow. He had a lot to be angry about. The position of authority doesn't give him extra obligation to be nice, but to protect people under his care.
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sassassin posted:You're allowed to be a bad person if you're polite and quiet about it these days, even if it harms others. But it doesn't matter how right/moral your point is if you break decorum and are disruptive, and you certainly can't be mean about it as that makes you worse, somehow. If you were to make a human mistake, such as standing too close to someone to review something for your job, is it appropriate for your bosses’ boss or the CEO to stand up and start shouting you down? Justified or not, it’s not a great look. But I acknowledge that it might be the lesser of two evils. Maybe the other option was that Tom got that person fired off the crew, and then made some speech after the fact. Keep in mind that for the pressure Tom is under, he will likely receive 10s of millions of dollars. What about the average crew person? Or what if someone DID get sick from COVID and died? Would they feel good about dying for the 7th/8th Mission: Impossible film? It’s more nuanced than Tom Cruise is a jerk, but it’s also more nuanced than “Tom Cruise was totally justified” as well.
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Why does his paycheque matter?
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The Lone Badger posted:I think it usually kidnaps or murders people, not both (to the same person). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lisa_McPherson
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sassassin posted:Why does his paycheque matter? You don’t think there’s a difference in treatment between the star who is catered to, likely has private dwellings, etc etc on top of the money that they’ll make and someone on the crew who is just trying to keep their job during a pandemic? Or the difference in power? It’s not like a film set isn’t hierarchical. Would Tom have yelled the same way at his director or cinematographer? As I’ve mentioned, I understand where Cruise is coming from to an extent. It’s an intense profession on a good day, but add in COVID and everything else, and you might snap. I also believe that these are his last two M:I films, which probably has him on edge as well. He is making his last, best efforts. I’m not saying he’s some unforgivable monster, at least not for this. But I am saying that we shouldn’t hand-wave that behavior either. This isn’t explosives or high amp electrics. It’s standing too close to one another when that would normally be part of your job. I’m currently having to change some of my work behaviors because of a new policy, and it’s a little difficult. And in my case, it’s just moving a file to a diff folder to execute. I guess my pushback to you, is why the lack of compassion towards a couple of nobodies who made a human mistake during a trying time?
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Yelling at a subordinate for any reason, except for a “you could have LITERALLY just killed us, right this second” that comes from the adrenaline rush of a near death experience, is completely inappropriate. Full stop. Like, whether it’s done in public or private, just as bad. E. Understand that I’m not against counseling/discipline, but “yelling” itself as a form of management is never appropriate E2. VVV ah, I see you are arguing in bad faith, got it. Again, no one is excusing the workers’ behavior, just acknowledging Cruise’s behavior was also bad. Both can be wrong, at the same time, for different things. Wild concept, I know. Brother Tadger has a new favorite as of 02:09 on Feb 10, 2021 |
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Yelling is seen as a worse crime than endangering public health, jobs etc. as I said to begin with. People jump through hoops trying to excuse behaviour that was unacceptable, because someone raised their voice at them.
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sassassin posted:People jump through hoops trying to excuse behaviour that was unacceptable, What do you mean by "unacceptable"? I think you mean "behavior that should be discouraged," or are you advocating that the people Cruise was yelling at should have been fired? Filming the movie at all endangers public health and jobs, but you're not suggesting that filming the movie was unacceptable, right? So it's not a question of risk as binary condition, where any risk at all is unacceptable. So some finite degree of risk must be acceptable. How did you arrive at a position where filming the movie was an acceptable level of risk, but the behavior that Cruise went off on is an unacceptable one? Because Cruise yelled a lot?
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Tom Cruise lost control of his temper. That’s it. He should have some Cruise control.
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oldpainless posted:Tom Cruise lost control of his temper. That’s it. He should have some Cruise control. Jay Sherman? That you? https://youtu.be/yPBTE0wlZF4
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Cruise used his privilege for a good cause re health measures on set.
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I don't generally yell at people, but if yelling at people is justified it's for people ignoring covid protocols
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Man you snip off that 'CE' and stick on a 'T' and it becomes immediately clear why they shoulda gone back to the drawing board. Though how it wouldn't be obvious before that is mystifying. What were they thinking.
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I just can't get over David Hogg using the platform he gained as an activist and survivor of a mass school shooting to sell pillows. I'm not saying he's never allowed to do something else or to make money, it's just weird.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I just can't get over David Hogg using the platform he gained as an activist and survivor of a mass school shooting to sell pillows. I'm not saying he's never allowed to do something else or to make money, it's just weird. Always two there are, no more no less. A master pillow salesman and an apprentice pillow salesman.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I just can't get over David Hogg using the platform he gained as an activist and survivor of a mass school shooting to sell pillows. I'm not saying he's never allowed to do something else or to make money, it's just weird. In America activism is only about building up your brand so you can get into next level grifting faster.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I just can't get over David Hogg using the platform he gained as an activist and survivor of a mass school shooting to sell pillows. I'm not saying he's never allowed to do something else or to make money, it's just weird. What  Somehow I never heard this, he just gradually disappeared from my radar.
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