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Doc Hawkins posted:Do you live less not-particularly-close to any of them, or are you posting from a seasteading barge precisely equidistant from all of them? San Jose one is the closest but I commute to SF daily on BART + live by a BART station.
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Pomp posted:We have a chapter in Sacramento if you're closer to that I was about to donate and join my local chapter, but I just found out who is president. I'm gonna have to go through some serious moral deliberations before I show up to that, let alone giving the specific people in charge there money. Seriously, the situation was pretty loving bad when I was there last. I had hoped you cleaned house. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 02:41 on May 9, 2017 |
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Annual Prophet posted:has dsa made an effort to establish direct lines of communication and coordination to and with comparable parties abroad? because (french and other elections notwithstanding) it certainly seems as though the far right is on the move throughout europe as well. coordination of action and planning, sharing of resources, lessons learned and best practices etc. all seem very desirable in the age of trump, and more broadly in an era characterized by free movement of capital but high levels of constraints on workers There's been discussion about it and consensus there needs to be more of a focus, I think they're waiting to vote on staying in or leaving the SI to make any definitive moves/new alliances or w.e. At your next meeting ask your chapter leader about what the pros and cons of staying vs leaving the SI is, and if you have any delegates attending the convention you should come to a consensus to how theyre gonna vote. Your chapter leader should have received an info packet to distribute out via email.
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Vox Nihili posted:San Jose one is the closest but I commute to SF daily on BART + live by a BART station. Oh, hmm. I guess if I were you I'd ask the East Bay and South Bay twitter who they thought I should go with. We're all one big happy mega-region, after all. I'm listening to the new member orientation right now, and it makes it sound as if Chapters and OCs are effectively identified by a set of zip codes. Maybe we need a "Which Bay Area DSA Should I join" flow-chart infographic.
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May 9, 2017 03:04
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How much power does a chapter president have anyway? Maybe I can slide in to my local chapter without having to have a political grudge match with this dork
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May 9, 2017 03:08
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Doc Hawkins posted:Oh, hmm. I guess if I were you I'd ask the East Bay and South Bay twitter who they thought I should go with. We're all one big happy mega-region, after all. Idk how SF works but I live in an area where there's 3 chapters within 40 miles of each other and we split it based on zip codes. From my experience, I feel like I gained a lot more joining the biggest, most established chapter and reaching out to the other OCs once I got my foot in the door I like a lot of structure though, so ymmv
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May 9, 2017 03:15
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Martin Random posted:How much power does a chapter president have anyway? Maybe I can slide in to my local chapter without having to have a political grudge match with this dork Not very much usually, how the chapter is set up is based on their by-laws and constitution, everything should be democratic for the most part though, if your chapter chair or president or whatever system you use isn't listening to the membership there's a serious issue.
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May 9, 2017 03:18
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Tell us why the dude sucks tho
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May 9, 2017 03:19
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Martin Random posted:How much power does a chapter president have anyway? Maybe I can slide in to my local chapter without having to have a political grudge match with this dork Varies by chapter based on bylaws. also yeah spill
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Doc Hawkins posted:I'm listening to the new member orientation right now, and it makes it sound as if Chapters and OCs are effectively identified by a set of zip codes. Maybe we need a "Which Bay Area DSA Should I join" flow-chart infographic. That's how it currently works, but I've seen grumbling about that setup because of the way it awards delegates, so who knows if it'll change. Couple of people have floated ideas of a bay area wide coalition, getting us working together smoothly - currently so many chapters are new that there's no-one with the spare time to do that sort of work, but it'd be real cool to have it! Chapter "spirit" or "feel" also has some play - I ended up choosing SF as my chapter because I felt more comfortable in their meetings than I did in the East Bay ones. Not that there's anything wrong with East Bay.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:That's how it currently works, but I've seen grumbling about that setup because of the way it awards delegates, so who knows if it'll change. Chapter delegates have to do with how many people are in your chapter, national decides how many delegates there are, then divides that by the total number of DSA members, and assigns #s of delegates to each chapter based on how many delegates worth of people your chapter has, there might be a little more to it, but that's how I understood it from having it explained to me by a member of the old guard.
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May 9, 2017 03:27
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I can't spill without doxxing because the people are easy to look up. There are news articles I'd want to link, too. If I didn't want to join the DSA, I'd spill what I know to everyone. But I'm interested in trying to help. Outing these disgusting creeps for petty revenge isn't gonna get me the outcome I want. Can I pay dues to a different chapter than the one I show up to for membership purposes?
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May 9, 2017 03:46
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Martin Random posted:I can't spill without doxxing because the people are easy to look up. There are news articles I'd want to link, too. dues go to national I think
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May 9, 2017 03:48
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Martin Random posted:I can't spill without doxxing because the people are easy to look up. There are news articles I'd want to link, too. i mean if this dude is in a leadership position and some kind of hosed up sicko, it's absolutely helping the organization if you get him the gently caress out ASAP you could always relay a message to national and let them figure it out. they have procedures for this kind of thing edit: Ace of Baes posted:dues go to national I think yeah all dues go to national Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 03:55 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 03:50
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Business Gorillas posted:i mean if this dude is in a leadership position and some kind of hosed up sicko, it's absolutely helping the organization if you get him the gently caress out ASAP yeah don't let it become a missing tair sort of situation
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May 9, 2017 03:57
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Business Gorillas posted:you could always relay a message to national and let them figure it out. they have procedures for this kind of thing Please do this. You would have my gratitude.
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May 9, 2017 04:00
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Martin Random posted:I can't spill without doxxing because the people are easy to look up. There are news articles I'd want to link, too.
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solidarity is all well and good, but from what i can tell the person your talking about needs to get outed, shamed, and rode out on a rail asap. lovely leaders will kill our momentum quicker than anything else.
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Business Gorillas posted:you could always relay a message to national and let them figure it out. they have procedures for this kind of thing The people in question are embedded in important roles in the SEIU and the Sacramento Central Labor Council. I'm just a run of the mill demorcatic socialist without union suction. Sacramento is a union town. But now that I know my dues go to national, I feel a lot better about joining the chapter. I'm going to hold it. I'm going to show up to a meeting. Let's see what these specific, nameable people do. If they get frightened and start harassing me again, I'll have to do something. I had weird nordic metal head fuckers who were fans of this guy call me, call my mom, pretending to be my dead dad, etc. Real classy stuff. I'll admit it, my dad had just died, I was shook. I guess that's why I'm posting in an internet forum before I show up to bowling and pizza with a bunch of socialist nerds who I will really get along well with. gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:Can you pm me the article(s). Id like to know if someone I likely enteract with directly is a weird psycho I'll show up to the next meeting. If you're clever, you'll be able to pick me out based on people's reactions. I'm known. Say Hi and I'll tell you what you need to know. You're not in physical danger from these people. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 04:54 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 04:23
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National dues go to National. Local dues go to your local chapter. They may be required to run for your local chapter's elections but are generally voluntary. The local chapter's treasurer is accountable to national for reporting finances. Any national dues-paying member is welcome to go to any chapter meeting. If your local is full of dicks make sure you are able to vote according to their bylaws and attend other chapter meetings until they're voted out. National is really hesitant to get involved or remove members. Two things that are underway at the national level are a formal harassment policy and a finance/legal committee to help locals navigate those issues. I'm hoping they put some policy out soon because there are a lot of chapters that could use some guidance.
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Martin Random posted:The people in question are embedded in important roles in the SEIU and the Sacramento Central Labor Council. I'm just a run of the mill demorcatic socialist without union suction. Sacramento is a union town. Are you okay? Like in general?
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May 9, 2017 05:48
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Martin Random posted:I'll show up to the next meeting. If you're clever, you'll be able to pick me out based on people's reactions. I'm known. Say Hi and I'll tell you what you need to know. You're not in physical danger from these people.
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May 9, 2017 07:26
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There's more creeps than paranoiacs in the world so I think that reaction's a little unwarranted with what's been said so far
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May 9, 2017 07:38
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Don't dogpile him, especially not in this thread, not that I think you're trying to start one fmt, just nipping it in the bud.
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gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:You went from sympathetic to sounding like a paranoid schizophrenic... Thanks. I don't want vague internet postings to make you feel unsafe at your local DSA meeting; I realized from your response I might be making people worried that these guys are like violent psychopaths or rapists or something. They're not. But one of 'em did hurt me and my family in reprisal for being called out. I've been avoiding the org for two years because of this incident. It was gnarly.
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Yeah I'm not trying to do any drama I just wanted a feel for how much I should react, I sort of take it all very seriously x.x
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You know what, gently caress it, gently caress them. I had two best friends in high school, Sean and Joaquin. Both union boys, UPTE-CWA and SEIU. One day over Pho we decided that what we'd really like to do with our lives is help the workers. So we strategized on that. We decided to launch a minimum wage campaign in Davis. Right before launch, my dad died. For four months I laid in catatonic depression as the minimum wage campaign languished. I was invited to steak dinner - it was Sean and Joaquin. They needed me to run the campaign. Hell, to start the campaign. I got out of bed. We got most of our financing from unions, through a guy named Bill Camp, who had taken Joaquin under his wing as a protege. He got Joaquin a spot on the exec board of the Sac CLC. Meanwhile, Sean and Joaquin are being pressured by Bill Camp - who is this guy who is running your campaign, why isn't he union, who is he with, etc. I invite a guy named Ian into the campaign. But Ian wants to run the campaign. I start hearing strange rumors about racist and sexist stuff I've said. I had a discussion earlier in the month with Ian. I was having trouble, after some crazy shenanigans from my last relationship, with getting into dating again - I was having trust issues with women in relationships. This was twisted around into some crazy poo poo I can't even remember. It was really poisonous. Heck, I go to some outreach meeting on a local campus and I remember distinctly a campus leader, I believe the african american student union leader, asking for my card, looking at it, and then dropping it at my feet, as a gesture. That was some pretty serious shade. Meanwhile, all my campaign staff are taking me aside and saying, "Hey, Ian Lee is saying some crazy stuff about you." I do nothing but keep running things. The unions are giving us money, but putting weird demands upon the campaign. Instead of a rollout that involves winning hearts and minds, suddenly we have a compacted timeline - we want this initiative to be on the ballot in November, giving just 3 months or so to write the initiative, file it, and collect a gently caress ton of signtaures. Using an organization we just founded two months ago. The campaign, under these constraints, gets nuttier and nuttier. Everyone is collecting signatures non-stop. Things really broke down. Ian Lee takes control of the campaign, Sean is offered a job organizing from his union, Joaquin is offered a position in labor through his union... and me? I didn't fit in, I think. I didn't realize that's how stuff worked. So the three of them decide to unwind the campaign, having gotten their rewards. After they took control of the organization, they mothballed it. We had over 200 volunteers. Poof. I'm pretty hurt by this, but hey, my dad died, I met a new lady, whatever. I leave town and travel up and down the coast. I get married. I hear, via the Ian rumor network, e.g. other activists congratulating me on poo poo that didn't happen, that apparently she's loaded, among other strange and false details about my personal life. Joaquin worked both at a local performing arts center as a rigger and had a heavy metal show on a local terrestrial radio station, which was also streamed over the internet. Typical fan wears leather, spikes, has a collection of T-shirts with hard to read metal style font, etc. Now's the part I'm not proud of. Growing up friends with Joaquin meant a yearly friends camping trip, sometimes at Salt Point, sometimes at Jackson State Experimental Forest, and having to put up with his LARPER friends, who were literal nazis. Now, everyone has a time BEFORE THEY WERE WOKE. That's fine. I mean, I know the lyrics to some hosed up nazi campfire songs now because of this dude, but everyone has a youth. For his heavy metal show, he'd dig up some gory pictures, paintings of plague settings, etc., and have a very colorful bit of text about his show next to it and HOW BRUTAL the music is. I checked on his show and holy gently caress. He's posting pictures of mass lynchings to show how extreme and metal his lineup is gonna be. This guy, by day, is 100% into social justice in a very public way. He's GIVING INTERVIEWS and functioning as the face of SJ stuff locally. By night, he goes by the name Malefactor, wears shirts with nuns getting dismembered and raped, hangs out with nazis, pretty heinous stuff. Then I saw him using a photo of a pile of jewish corpses at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. My confirmed family members in there. I remember this loving campaign to smear me, remember this person dropping a card in front of me because of lies, and I'm all, you know what, gently caress this guy. I drop a dime. The next morning, FOXNEWS is camped out on his lawn. http://fox40.com/2015/09/03/photo-of-lynching-used-to-promote-uc-davis-radio-show/ I AM AWARE THAT THIS WAS NOT COOL. For perspective, after having been dragged out of a catatonic post-dad-death depression to run a failed campaign and then get ghosted by your two best friends from high school -- who used and dumped me after getting shiny organizing job offers -- I was not in the best mental state at the time. If I were, I'd have realized that Joaquin has fans, and his radio station has my personal details. His show: CANCELLED. His fans: ENRAGED. I'm getting threatening calls from weird goat loving metal heads, a dead animal on my doorstep prepared ritualistically, my mom is getting harassed, my family is threatened, etc. If you look carefully on the TV report linked above, the manager of the radio station is even loading up my facebook page during the interview for the camera, to get my name out there. So gently caress that. Having just run a failed minimum wage campaign, I'm ALSO getting heat from the kulaks of my town. I organize on my own. Successfully. I'm good at it. I've done a lot. That's why I say: If I show up, people will know me, and it'll be really weird, because they'll be all holy poo poo where have you been. You guys picked up on it correctly: I SOUND LIKE A CRAZY PERSON, but it's because the nature of the harassment. And what am I gonna do? Explain all this and start some loving drama? Well I guess I just did. So now you know why I'm hesitant to go to the loving Sacramento DSA meeting. Thanks for uhh letting me ask a few questions. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 09:01 on May 9, 2017 |
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Martin Random posted:You know what, gently caress it, gently caress them. so are these dudes in the DSA or ????
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Yeah. Joaquin is in the DSA Sac chapter, shows up regularly, and, I just looked him up, he's now president of UPTE-CWA after marrying the former president's daughter, and I believe is still on the executive board of the Central Labor Council. Ian is the primary national contact for the Sac DSA, so if I filled out that online form, I'm not sure my application would even make it to a membership roll. He got his offer from SEIU, where he works full time as an organizer. Sean is now a Democrat. He's trying to take over the local county party with some Berniecrats. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 09:33 on May 9, 2017 |
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Martin Random posted:Yeah. Joaquin is in the DSA Sac chapter, shows up regularly, and, I just looked him up, he's now president of UPTE-CWA after marrying the former president's daughter, and I believe is still on the executive board of the Central Labor Council. You should just meet up with the dudes and talk to them, holding grudges is stupid, if the dude using concentration camp images to promote his rock show is in the DSA though you should email national, gently caress that poo poo. It was lovely of you to try and get petty revenge, it was lovely of them to retaliate by telling their fans, it was super lovely of them to use photos of lynchings to promote a college radio show, everybody sucks though. I'd message them on facebook or something and meet up to talk before you show up to a DSA meeting if you think there's gonna be a big scene, cause you dont want to waste peoples time who are using their little free time or w.e. to try and organize. If you feel like they truly are horrible people, or nazis, or whatever, you should contact national about it, the longer you wait the harder its going to hit the organization when it does come out. If you think they could have changed or whatever you should tried to make amends. I mean in the end the past is in the past or whatever, or just do whatever you want and ignore me, I'm not your dad.
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A dude in a local socialist group (not dsa) grew up with his family in the KKK and was a nazi before finding Anarchism/Socialism, he tells everybody he meets about it and its a badass icebreaker or whatever for non-socialists who interact at events or w.e.
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gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:this all seems insanely trite on both sides It didn't seem trite when my mom was getting phone calls from my "father." Maybe you've never been the target of a coordinated harassment campaign. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 09:58 on May 9, 2017 |
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Martin Random posted:It didn't seem trite when my mom was getting phone calls from my "father." they didnt do that tho, their fans did, it was lovely to doxx you but you did basically try to ruin dudes life (by exposing something he did)
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Martin Random posted:Maybe you've never been the target of a coordinated harassment campaign. I have. People in open organizations are not pure, and that isn't the point. It isn't a social club. If he is still garbage, report it to the national level, otherwise move on with your lives. fuck. marry. t-rex has issued a correction as of 10:04 on May 9, 2017 |
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and if you really hate them or w.e. which is sounds like youre justified doing (i think? i dont care), you could always join a diff progressive group or something, as long as youre moving america/the dnc away from corporatism youre goals are gonna look incredibly similar to DSA in the short term
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gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:People in open organizations are not pure, and that isn't the point. It isn't a social club. If he is still garbage, report it to the national level, otherwise move on with your lives. I have moved on with my life. I've been doing good work for two years now, by avoiding the DSA. I don't think that's the best possible world. Sounds like what these guys were up to is not anyone's concern anymore. If they're doing good work, I won't want to disrupt it by just showing up. Thanks for the information, guys. I came looking for advice and I got some good suggestions. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 10:16 on May 9, 2017 |
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Is this more Martin Random reality fan fiction? I honestly cannot be bothered to read his walls of text if the pay off is going to be Larry Website and Nick Mullen pooping back and forth forever.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:That's how it currently works, but I've seen grumbling about that setup because of the way it awards delegates, so who knows if it'll change. This might not be possible to do after the fact, but in NYC we have one big chapter (I think we're 10% of the national membership) with branches (mini, subordinate chapters basically) for Brooklyn, Upper Manhattan/Bronx, Queens, CUNY, and Labor, plus I think two or three new branches in the pipeline for Lower Manhattan, NYU, and Staten Island (this one might be a ways out). Brooklyn will be splitting into three branches soon, and Uptown/Bronx and Queens may each split into two by the end of the year. The overall citywide chapter just had a delegated convention with proportional representation from each branch where we voted on constitutional issues and elected citywide officers. The whole thing is rad as hell.
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