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Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

Toplowtech posted:

According to the YouGov Poll for the HuffPost.fr Macron popularity is now under 20%(-3% down to 18%) and it's +10% in negative opinion (up to 76%).
Meanwhile les Gilets Jaunes: 83% consider the movement justified, 70% support it and 69% see themselves in the movement demands.
Next saturday will be something.
Vive la France!

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suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!
Bbbbbut Jupiter won with 75% :qq:

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

suck my woke dick posted:

Bbbbbut Jupiter won with 75% :qq:
66% actually.
And Chirac won with 82%
Seriously i would worry, if a Lepen gains 16% again, it's 50%/50%.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I've heard it said that, in tough times, people can either opt for fascism or socialism. It's a sad commentary on human nature that it's almost always the former.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Well it's not human nature necessarily - it is directed that way by centrists and capitalists.

Germany's history would be a lot different if the centrists didn't pass the Enabling Act because "but communism."

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Dec 8, 2018

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/1071346695290667009

Welp.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
drat

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

So are these guys being hijacked or not by the far right? I dunno who to root for here.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

AceOfFlames posted:

So are these guys being hijacked or not by the far right? I dunno who to root for here.

This was one of the early poo poo slinging attempts from the gvt.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X46SFCg53c

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
https://twitter.com/LePoint/status/1071384478830997504?s=19

Ah oui. La situation est extrêmement grave.

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!


https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/01/20/searching-metaphor-reporters-flock-burning-dc-garbage-can/

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.


Same.

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/NBbreaking/status/1071391358273904641
:thumbsup:

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Excuse me, this posture is clearly a threat display as you can see in this picture:



The policemen had no choice but to open fire.

:goonsay:

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

unpacked robinhood posted:

This was one of the early poo poo slinging attempts from the gvt.

I admit that I tried looking up news about connections of the protests to the far right and the only "sources" claiming that are Breitbart and InfoWars. Where the gently caress did I see the reports that the Dutch arm of the Gilet Jaunes were protesting for Zwarte Piet? Have I finally gone full paranoid? :psyduck:

Chev
Jul 19, 2010
Switchblade Switcharoo

AceOfFlames posted:

So are these guys being hijacked or not by the far right? I dunno who to root for here.
The feeling I get, looking at it from the next country over, is that the movement's wholly emergent from social networks and decentralized, which is why they've resisted both hijacking by the usual political actors (despite a bunch of them trying) and the government's attempts to mollify them. But since it's so unprecedented in recent history it's also a good environment for all kinds of disinformation to thrive as reporters don't have the right tools to understand how the whole thing came to be.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Kassad posted:

Excuse me, this posture is clearly a threat display as you can see in this picture:



The policemen had no choice but to open fire.

:goonsay:

Opening your arms wide is clearly an indication that you are about to do horrible violence... which would require your arms... which are way out wide, clearly visible and not holding anything.

To put it another way, don't move in to hug anyone while protesting; it's naked aggression.

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
Is this about the gas taxes or are the taxes just the last straw for people tired of austerity policies and other neoliberal bullshit? Is there a good article that explains the genesis of the yellow vest movement?

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Hi French goons. Please stay safe if you attend protest actions. I’m rooting for you. :ohdear:

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

clockworkjoe posted:

Is this about the gas taxes or are the taxes just the last straw for people tired of austerity policies and other neoliberal bullshit? Is there a good article that explains the genesis of the yellow vest movement?
Last Straw: Macron literally cut billion of € of taxes for the richest French people then put a new tax on the poorer so the poorer can be the ones who pay for the ecological transition while he keep the EU happy, despite say tax basically loving over everyone outside Paris. Also the whole Benalla thing and years spent attacking the credibility of syndicates and leftist opposition parties made a headless movement extremely hard for them to block. But don't worry: Macron can always blame the opposition to his terrible politics on Putin.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Toplowtech posted:

Last Straw: Macron literally cut billion of € of taxes for the richest French people then put a new tax on the poorer so the poorer can be the ones who pay for the ecological transition while he keep the EU happy, despite say tax basically loving over everyone outside Paris. Also the whole Benalla thing and years spent attacking the credibility of syndicates and leftist opposition parties made a headless movement extremely hard for them to block. But don't worry: Macron can always blame the opposition to his terrible politics on Putin.

In what form did the new tax on the poor take?

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

In what form did the new tax on the poor take?
An increase in the price of the fuel they need to be able to go to work.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Toplowtech posted:

An increase in the price of the fuel they need to be able to go to work.

https://twitter.com/Father_Wendigo/...ingawful.com%2F

Don't forget some more loopholes for the rich too.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
He's also continuing the trend of cutting funding to public research institutions (big drivers of scientific research in France, for historical reason). Kind of a problem if you're going to find ways to understand climate change and mitigate it, yeah?

It's always been painfully obvious that his "make the planet great again" stuff was just posturing.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I’m suppose to go visit a friend in Paris next weekend but yeah gently caress that lol. What are the chances that Thalys is going to give me a refund? Jk I already know the answer is zero.

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Boris Galerkin posted:

I’m suppose to go visit a friend in Paris next weekend but yeah gently caress that lol. What are the chances that Thalys is going to give me a refund? Jk I already know the answer is zero.

What the gently caress dude.
We need every available person in the street next saturday why are you backing down? It’s great fun and a unique opportunity to get some training against the forces the fascists will send against us in the coming years.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Flowers For Algeria posted:

What the gently caress dude.
We need every available person in the street next saturday why are you backing down? It’s great fun and a unique opportunity to get some training against the forces the fascists will send against us in the coming years.

Not sure if this is serious or not but just in case it is, it’s because I’m not French, don’t speak French, and don’t live in France. Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m not saying “well it’s not affecting me so whatever.” I’m saying that I don’t feel comfortable getting caught up in something I don’t understand and potentially being arrested and having to deal with whatever legalities in a foreign place with laws I don’t know and in a language I don’t understand. On top of that there’s the fact that I’m not even a citizen of a EU country so I’m not sure how “getting arrested in a mass riot” would look for my residence permit.

Also, you mentioning fascists being a part of this. I thought this whole thing was vaguely about the rich being too rich?

e: gently caress fascists and nazi scum

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Dec 9, 2018

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

I spoke kitchen Spanish (working in restaurants) and went to Mexico for some conference and made life long comrades going to protests. Reach out to people.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Boris Galerkin posted:

Also, you mentioning fascists being a part of this. I thought this whole thing was vaguely about the rich being too rich?

e: gently caress fascists and nazi scum

That's a sentiment the fascists keep trying to coopt and this time is no different. But keep this in mind: a lot of these claims come from the likes of Steve Bannon. It's also handy for anyone who supports Macron to cast all the protests as small minded bigots.

But Flowers For Algeria was saying this is a rehearsal for if/when a fascist gets into power, because it's guaranteed they'll crack down on protests even harder than now.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I’m American, so the fascists are already in power for me. If this was in the US and if I were living there still I’d be all over it because worse case scenario I’d know what I’m getting into and how to navigate the consequences that may come against me and know my rights and protections. In France I wouldn’t know anything.

I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about this.

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

Boris Galerkin posted:

I’m American, so the fascists are already in power for me. If this was in the US and if I were living there still I’d be all over it because worse case scenario I’d know what I’m getting into and how to navigate the consequences that may come against me and know my rights and protections. In France I wouldn’t know anything.

I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about this.

at the time i was a greencard holding phd student in the US from a 3rd world country. I am now a citizenship applicant whose lawyer is giving me alot of headaches for my activism. But the chance to talk to and engage with people was worth all the trouble. stop being a liberal.

As one of your american poets said

quote:

I'm willin' to die for this poo poo
I done cried for this poo poo, might take a life for this poo poo
Put the Bible down and go eye for an eye for this poo poo"

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


I was half-serious, I’m not really trying to pressure you into coming because I understand that as a foreigner you have every reason not to come and that’s absolutely legitimate. Besides, you needn’t justify yourself.

I am serious though when I say it’s a terrific and quintessentially French experience, though, to hover around the front of a riot. There is some danger, not so much of being nabbed by the cops (unless you’re standing in place while they’re charging - but go up to them while they’re standing in line and look meek and foreign and you’ll probably get through any police filter) but rather of getting gassed.

I’m talking about fascists because I am expecting similar scenes in France with regularity should they come to power here. Many cops are fascists. But few rioters felt like fascists to me - a good number called themselves Gaulois which I find suspect, and a couple were openly anti-immigrationist, but many chants were openly anticapitalist.

There is also plenty to do in Paris even during the riot. The Rive Gauche was virtually unaffected except near the Seine and there’s a lot to do there. It’s just that the metro service will be affected, but that’s not too bad. So don’t feel threatened by the action and come to Paris anyway!

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


Anyway I’ll be hosting another live from the front next week I expect, but this time I’ll be more prepared because I sorely felt the lack of protective goggles this time.

I will also be packing water and sandwiches because gently caress being hungry and thirsty at a riot!

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

The only training I want for fascist take over is how to get them to shoot me in the most painless and fatal way possible. Any pointers on how to acommplish that?

Terry van Feleday
Jun 6, 2010

Free Your Mind

AceOfFlames posted:

The only training I want for fascist take over is how to get them to shoot me in the most painless and fatal way possible. Any pointers on how to acommplish that?
Shoot them first, wait until they shoot back. Actually scratch that "wait" part, try to take as many with you as possible

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
https://twitter.com/leJDD/status/1071543445171257344

Remember when people talked poo poo about Mélenchon not liking the media?

Edit: And can you imagine how betrayed BFMTV must feel?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Kassad posted:

https://twitter.com/leJDD/status/1071543445171257344

Remember when people talked poo poo about Mélenchon not liking the media?

Edit: And can you imagine how betrayed BFMTV must feel?

Is he actively attempting to incite riots at this point? :psyduck:

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

Boris Galerkin posted:

Not sure if this is serious or not but just in case it is, it’s because I’m not French, don’t speak French, and don’t live in France. Don’t take this the wrong way, I’m not saying “well it’s not affecting me so whatever.” I’m saying that I don’t feel comfortable getting caught up in something I don’t understand and potentially being arrested and having to deal with whatever legalities in a foreign place with laws I don’t know and in a language I don’t understand. On top of that there’s the fact that I’m not even a citizen of a EU country so I’m not sure how “getting arrested in a mass riot” would look for my residence permit.

I’m also not French and I got into Paris yesterday to visit a friend and I barely noticed anything going out in several neighbourhoods. The protests are fairly contained within the city.

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suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

MiddleOne posted:

Is he actively attempting to incite riots at this point? :psyduck:

You can’t kill a god.

But with the flimsiest of excuses, that god can kill you.

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