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Actions are more fun if you're just starting out like m4a canvassing or whatever else your chapter has going on, general meetings are okay too though, especially for finding out what's coming up and getting involved with organizing it.
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gonna put ice cream on top of warm brownies and call it socialist delight. when I gain 3 lbs the next day, that’s called capitalism trying to steal my hard earned labor.
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Had a visitor from the UK at one of our committee meetings tonight. He's involved with the UK Labour party and wanted to see what DSA was about while he was in the states. He said the progressive part of Labour is very interested in DSA, particularly Young Labour faction which seems to have a very similar makeup and outlook.
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Jul 27, 2018 09:26
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this is agood article by dave weigel https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...b375_story.html i dont care if it was already psoted
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Jul 27, 2018 12:12
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Shear Modulus posted:what if those 100 people are pulled from east bay East bay meetings are getting better since they've moved from "wherever" to every other month and now that they approved monthly meetings they can actually cover all the poo poo they need to and not go 3 hours over and still have to move half the agenda to the next meeting. They can still get tense though but imo that's just because stuff is advancing
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Baby Babbeh posted:Had a visitor from the UK at one of our committee meetings tonight. He's involved with the UK Labour party and wanted to see what DSA was about while he was in the states. He said the progressive part of Labour is very interested in DSA, particularly Young Labour faction which seems to have a very similar makeup and outlook. It's time to revisit the posadist caucus' call for a 69th International, imo
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Vhak lord of hate posted:East bay meetings are getting better since they've moved from "wherever" to every other month and now that they approved monthly meetings they can actually cover all the poo poo they need to and not go 3 hours over and still have to move half the agenda to the next meeting. I was extremely pleased when I heard that the monthly meetings thing passed
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Jul 27, 2018 19:58
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Can't wait for Sunday, its the Bylaws committee so from 11-4:30 it will be non-stop Robert Rules action! I think I'm going to bring some Vincent's Pizza Parlor pizza just for this occasion.
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Jul 27, 2018 22:18
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i can't speak to NYC chapters but at least in cap region the people who were very vocal on no endorsements were the ones that honestly had a lot of experience in organizing and electoral work; they correctly pointed out that endorsements are only worthwhile (especially in longshot primaries) as a barter-able token, and withholding one from nixon looks better for the org and gives us more power in endorsing candidates that more closely hew to our stated positions. if dsa chapters get into the habit of just endorsing the person that's slightly to the left of the centrist, then those endorsements aren't really worth much. honestly i hope that queens does some good write-ups of everything around the AOC campaign and how they canvassed, etc. putting together a guide for other chapters on how to move the needle for local candidates (or state/house candidates) would be super useful. if dsa endorsements help people win, then those endorsements have a lot of value.
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uncurable mlady posted:i can't speak to NYC chapters but at least in cap region the people who were very vocal on no endorsements were the ones that honestly had a lot of experience in organizing and electoral work; they correctly pointed out that endorsements are only worthwhile (especially in longshot primaries) as a barter-able token, and withholding one from nixon looks better for the org and gives us more power in endorsing candidates that more closely hew to our stated positions. if dsa chapters get into the habit of just endorsing the person that's slightly to the left of the centrist, then those endorsements aren't really worth much. But have you considered that a DSA endorsement is a ticket to victory and denying Nixon that would prevent her from challenging Cuomo? Don't you care about poor people, purity dorks, etc.
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Me, a big loving idiot wrecker dipshit: Endorsing non-socialists is not good, and working for an endorsed candidate takes up a lot of valuable time and energy You, a leftist intellectual, 700 IQ: a DSA endorsement is like a spirit bomb, and if we endorse Nixon she magically gets all the leftist support and power, life is an anime
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Jul 28, 2018 15:33
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uncurable mlady posted:honestly i hope that queens does some good write-ups of everything around the AOC campaign and how they canvassed, etc. putting together a guide for other chapters on how to move the needle for local candidates (or state/house candidates) would be super useful. if dsa endorsements help people win, then those endorsements have a lot of value. I'm actually coordinating our debrief report in Queens DSA. I'm hoping it's released by end of August
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Jul 28, 2018 15:38
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I really don't get why people are so hungry for a Nixon endorsement. Yeah no poo poo she's way better than Cuomo but also owes the DSA nothing and we have zero leverage over her. Endorsements should be reserved, as was pointed out, for candidates like AOC who are beholden to DSA in some way. Ask NY chapters to give like a "conditional recommendation" or something to Nixon if you guys are so loving thirsty for it.
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Jul 28, 2018 16:46
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Just when I thought we were done with lesser-evilism, they pull us back in.
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Jul 28, 2018 16:59
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Sir Tonk posted:dsa sad
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Phi230 posted:sad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj6GH1ILZOw
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Larry Parrish posted:At Sac DSA almost every meeting or event had people go to the bar or someone's house after so. At least the ones I've been too. Or maybe it's just that I'm so drat cool everyone wants it to rub off on them will u be my sac dsa first meeting buddy
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Jul 28, 2018 17:34
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Hey guys I need some help with DSA stuff! My chapter's doing a petition to a university, and I'm in charge of finding a place to host it online. Currently I'm thinking about change.org, but I'm open to suggestions!
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Jul 28, 2018 17:41
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Dreddout posted:Hey guys I need some help with DSA stuff! we should get some webhosting put together by national for use by the chapters
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I really don't get why people are so hungry for a Nixon endorsement. Yeah no poo poo she's way better than Cuomo but also owes the DSA nothing and we have zero leverage over her. Endorsements should be reserved, as was pointed out, for candidates like AOC who are beholden to DSA in some way. It could really go either way at this point -- I'm not sure if the endorsement of Nixon or Williams will go through in NYC. That said, I can't wait for us to be past this. I think the endorsements would be a mistake, but we've made mistakes before, and we'll make mistakes again. Or even if NYC DSA didn't, some other chapter would, and we'd have to deal with that in some way. The truth is, we need to be resilient enough as an organization that imperfect or even straight-up wrong endorsements don't gently caress us up that hard. We're only going to be dealing with endorsements more and more going forward, and the sooner these discussions stop taking up so much attention internally (attention that could be used for other projects, I mean), the better.
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any nydsa people have direct experience working with amber from chapo? i keep hearing that shes a big headache and her closeness to felix and the chapo crew is problematic since they arent very pc (im old and dont get bothered by that stuff as much). chapo is a huge part of why so many people joined dsa after the election, imo, and id rather not have them become a problem but ive never interacted with her since im not in leadership down here.
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Sir Tonk posted:any nydsa people have direct experience working with amber from chapo? i keep hearing that shes a big headache and her closeness to felix and the chapo crew is problematic since they arent very pc (im old and dont get bothered by that stuff as much). She’s been a target of the extremely online caucus for being on Chapo and for headlining a cancelled medicare for all canvasing training at a location that wasn’t wheelchair accessible. That’s it so far as I know.
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Sir Tonk posted:any nydsa people have direct experience working with amber from chapo? i keep hearing that shes a big headache and her closeness to felix and the chapo crew is problematic since they arent very pc (im old and dont get bothered by that stuff as much). she is constantly spitting on autistic people during meetings. even if you ignore the ableism aspect, it causes massive delays to the meetings because she does it so often. one time there weren't any autistic people there and she refused to let the meeting progress until there was one for her to spit on. there was a blind person there but according to her that was "not disabled enough".
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kinda seems like what youd expect when someone from weird twitter tries to be an important aspect of a large political movement that cares about minorities and disabled people. if thats the case, shes going to have to figure out at some point that she either needs to take a back seat and just promote dsa, or start listening more. i really dont want an org like foxnews or trump himself to suddenly realize she exists and start using her to represent dsa instead of people like aoc or the actual leadership of the org. things are still early in modern dsa's history, but we really dont want to end up like every other leftist org in the us
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source yr quotes
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Sir Tonk posted:kinda seems like what youd expect when someone from weird twitter tries to be an important aspect of a large political movement that cares about minorities and disabled people. What’s Fox or Trump have to do with anything?
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Jul 28, 2018 18:53
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little munchkin posted:she is constantly spitting on autistic people during meetings. even if you ignore the ableism aspect, it causes massive delays to the meetings because she does it so often. one time there weren't any autistic people there and she refused to let the meeting progress until there was one for her to spit on. there was a blind person there but according to her that was "not disabled enough". lol
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Jul 28, 2018 18:59
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little munchkin posted:she is constantly spitting on autistic people during meetings. even if you ignore the ableism aspect, it causes massive delays to the meetings because she does it so often. one time there weren't any autistic people there and she refused to let the meeting progress until there was one for her to spit on. there was a blind person there but according to her that was "not disabled enough". Hey if she needs someone to spit on, I have this condition you could say that means I like that, also I am on the spectrum.
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Jul 28, 2018 18:59
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Amber come join SA and post in our fun thread. I swear nobody will start posting about your feet by page two.
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Jul 28, 2018 19:08
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Sir Tonk posted:kinda seems like what youd expect when someone from weird twitter tries to be an important aspect of a large political movement that cares about minorities and disabled people. what
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Amber’s not from weird twitter. She has a Ph.D. in the humanities and works as an adjunct and edits Current Affairs.
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Jul 28, 2018 19:25
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oh thank goodness more amber talk
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update: got drunk last night, slept through the start of the general meeting thing, i'll have to go attend some other philly DSA thing sometime in august. oopsadaisiliano!
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Hostess Snack Cake posted:update: got drunk last night, slept through the start of the general meeting thing, i'll have to go attend some other philly DSA thing sometime in august. oopsadaisiliano! I keep missing meetings because I'm a depressed, burnt out leftist alcoholic loner I'm basically the DSA's most coveted demographic I was last employed 10 years ago lol that crash really hosed me over in retrospect
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same but im only experimenting with alcoholism as a substitute for all the weed i cant smoke now that i need to be employable. but im a new stem graduate, so i am potentially very employable until the inevitable crash happens. unfortunately for me i picked one of the stem fields that has more than 1 woman per graduating class, so my starting salary maxes out at some 70% of a normal engineer/computer toucher salary. at least i dont have to settle for 70% of that 70% though! until the economy is crushed for the same reasons it was in 2008, and desperate laid off phds take all the entry level positions. rly lookin forward 2 this.
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Sir Tonk posted:any nydsa people have direct experience working with amber from chapo? i keep hearing that shes a big headache and her closeness to felix and the chapo crew is problematic since they arent very pc (im old and dont get bothered by that stuff as much). I'm pretty sure she only does m4a stuff, and even that is through the vehicle of the national m4a working group, so she's only involved in NYC poo poo when national does an event here, which isn't often. In NYC, m4a kind of fell under the Socialist Feminist WG since they took the lead on a lot of healthcare stuff, and I have some slight connection there and I *might* be wrong, but I don't think socfem is huge fans of chapo poo poo. I say this as a still occasional chapo listener, btw, so I'm not like radically against the show existing. edit: actually (this is kind of lol) the national m4a wg people in NYC seem to be composed of the people who medically cannot do not-online poo poo. The only other national m4a wg person I know of who is *supposedly* still active in NYC is the guy who kept saying "oval office" on fb and all these people from socfem tried to call him in, then he doubled down, they called him out, after which he tripled down. It was the drama of the week, for sure. so in conclusion nyc is a land of contrasts unbutthurtable has issued a correction as of 20:40 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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I skipped the general meeting to canvass for an actually good leftist candidate and I feel like that was the best use of my time
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Martin Random posted:will u be my sac dsa first meeting buddy I work a lot and have been skipping out lately but sure
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