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Apr 30, 2004

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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





me, a dumbass, flying into SE asia next week when everything is on fire or drenched in water

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

Sounds like on average it's perfect weather

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Strong Sauce posted:

me, a dumbass, flying into SE asia next week when everything is on fire or drenched in water

As opposed to those times of year when SE Asia has nice weather, like 15,000 years ago during the last glacial maximum?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Lemme tell y'all how fun it's been riding my scooter in 6" deep water.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
I saw that cannabis is about to get illegal again in Thailand. How strange to see all those shops gone next time I go. It was disconcerting last time because they all popped up seemingly overnight. And now they are going away again.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

Waltzing Along posted:

I saw that cannabis is about to get illegal again in Thailand. How strange to see all those shops gone next time I go. It was disconcerting last time because they all popped up seemingly overnight. And now they are going away again.

Will they be missed? I genuinely prefer the vibe before the cannabis shops. Downtown is already gentrifying in many boring ways, but a bunch of gaudy weed shops didn't help anything.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Porn and prostitution are also illegal in Thailand fwiw

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
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This is just my opinion, but it's been no secret that the Thai government wanted to move towards high end tourism and fancy resorts and shopping and so had begun going to great efforts to clean up their image as best as they could to attract that sort of tourist and to discourage backpackers and other budget tourists "here for the temples" (winky face).

I have to suspect, given the above post's accuracy, that the actual aim is to eliminate the streets of bright neon weed and 420 signs and to move whatever form the industry takes in the future to professional and discrete dispensaries that Thais and foreigners who have the time and patience to get a medical certificate can access. The idea being that tourists won't be using Thailand as their "get high" destination, but if you effectively a resident you'll be able to purchase and use privately.

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...
I wouldnīt presume any long term or competent thinking from thai government. Thai government has stated that they want more rich and high spending tourists for decades now. Heck, the Thai Elite visa was first introduced more than 20 years ago. In that time the tourism share of Thai GDP has risen from 5% to over 20%. Opponents of cheap young backpacker tourism forget that those backpackers grow up and come back with their young families.
The weed stuff is just general thai government incompetence. They decriminalised weed, but forgot to introduce the law restricting it to medical use. Its been two years already. They might restrict it, they might not. One of the purposeful things in developing and corrupt countries is that there are rarely clear limits and guidelines. A lot of activities fall under certain gray area, which limits are never clearly defined. You can skirt those limits and laws, until someone decides that you suddenly canīt. Having everyone breaking some rule or law is useful for ruling elites, that way they can bend it towards their own benefit and use it to shut down opposition.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





i don't really smoke or anything and i also have nothing against people smoking... but those shops's designs are an eyesore. especially when there's so many of them.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
It was weird walking through MBK and finding a weed stall in there.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Strong Sauce posted:

i don't really smoke or anything and i also have nothing against people smoking... but those shops's designs are an eyesore. especially when there's so many of them.

But what is going to replace them that's so much better? Fancier Sex Toy shops?

Atlas Hugged posted:

This is just my opinion, but it's been no secret that the Thai government wanted to move towards high end tourism and fancy resorts and shopping and so had begun going to great efforts to clean up their image as best as they could to attract that sort of tourist and to discourage backpackers and other budget tourists "here for the temples" (winky face).

I have to suspect, given the above post's accuracy, that the actual aim is to eliminate the streets of bright neon weed and 420 signs and to move whatever form the industry takes in the future to professional and discrete dispensaries that Thais and foreigners who have the time and patience to get a medical certificate can access. The idea being that tourists won't be using Thailand as their "get high" destination, but if you effectively a resident you'll be able to purchase and use privately.

Amsterdam has done the same thing too, hell back in the 80s/90s Fort Lauderdale had a reputation for being a cheap party hub that caused all sorts of problems but now it's considered the quieter part of South Florida.

It kind of does suck though, because what exactly is that harm in smoking a joint walking around with your friends Soi 11 on a weekend night? It's fun, a great experience, not that different than getting drunk, no harm to really anyone but at same time I do understand why they are doing it. :sigh:

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Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Atlas Hugged posted:

This is just my opinion, but it's been no secret that the Thai government wanted to move towards high end tourism and fancy resorts and shopping and so had begun going to great efforts to clean up their image as best as they could to attract that sort of tourist and to discourage backpackers and other budget tourists "here for the temples" (winky face).

I have to suspect, given the above post's accuracy, that the actual aim is to eliminate the streets of bright neon weed and 420 signs and to move whatever form the industry takes in the future to professional and discrete dispensaries that Thais and foreigners who have the time and patience to get a medical certificate can access. The idea being that tourists won't be using Thailand as their "get high" destination, but if you effectively a resident you'll be able to purchase and use privately.

Is there really such a big market for weed tourism to Thailand anyway? I guess from Australians and New Zealanders? The tiny, tiny, minority of Japanese and Koreans who do not see marijuana smoking as equivalent to performing a Satanic baby sacrifice don't seem like they would be driving much of it, and marijuana is pretty trivially obtainable in most of Europe and the USA, so doesn't seem like they would be driving much of a market in terms of weed tourism either.

Or have people gotten into being weed sommeliers, like how people will travel to Germany or Denmark for beer?

I mean idk, I haven't smoked in years and have zero interest in ever taking THC again under any form, but I don't think even 22 year old me would have seen that as a reason to make a trans-continental flight, unless 22 year old me was radically closer to Thailand than to the Netherlands or the US.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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fiddly digits, itchy britches
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I can only point to anecdotes and inferences. I don't actually know what the tourist numbers for weed look like. I do know that people come to Thailand to try or use THC though and I have to assume it's more than just my literal friends. Whether tourism's supporting the industry or local use is (or a combination) I can't say. That said, I feel like there's a reason why most of the shops have concentrated in tourist areas and towns. In my edge of the suburbs, there's one shop that does quite well for itself, or at least it appears to. The complaints from the hotel lobby have also been that guests are overstaying checkout and that housekeeping is finding people unconscious and panicking and calling ambulances as they would with alcohol poisoning, but they're just stoned and the only treatment is sleep. This would certainly imply that a significant number of tourists are experimenting, many for the first time.

So if I had to guess, I'd say it's less that people are coming here because weed is here and more that people are happy that weed is here when they get here, if that makes sense? Like they'd probably still come to Thailand anyway, for the beaches and shopping and food and nightlife and "temples", but since there's weed and they're practically give it away, more people are indulging in it than might otherwise even if it is otherwise accessible to themselves back home.

Also, the shops are very much going for a "neon-punk-sommelier" vibe. You've got crazy colors and decorations, you have merch and paraphernalia for sale; the shops are sort of a cross between tourist traps and boutiques. They'll have sections for edibles, dozens of strains of weed with their supposed effects listed, and coolers full of infused beverages. Most have some kind of lounge area to smoke or hangout in. A lot of places have food and alcoholic drinks in addition to weed products. I've even been in shops with slides, minigolf, and arcade machines. It's definitely not just some dude selling from the back of his truck, though there's some of that around too.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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I think Singapore in the first year weed was legalised genuinely was concerned their people were going to treat Thailand as their weed dispensary and they were doing weird things, like demanding citizens entering the country to pee in a cup and you'd be convicted of drug use even if you used it outside Singapore. They probably have relaxed it since I barely hear about this anymore

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

TBH if the weed shops are spreading giant plastic neon tacky poo poo beyond KSR they should be shut down. I haven't been to Thailand for a while but I'm imagining a worse version of this known money laundering operation currently spread across London:

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Strategic Tea posted:

TBH if the weed shops are spreading giant plastic neon tacky poo poo beyond KSR they should be shut down. I haven't been to Thailand for a while but I'm imagining a worse version of this known money laundering operation currently spread across London:



Is that why I've been seeing those pirate candy stores all over Europe?

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Yeah they're all international organised crime. That specific one I posted may not be but not holding my breath.

Private Eye, the only actual journalism in the UK, spilled the beans a few years ago - but I can't seem to find the article on their website anymore. If you google, regular media has since picked up the story.

E: Here's a :thumbsup: reddit link to one of the follow ups but focused on tacky souvenir shops - https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/cnkcaz/private_eye_on_west_end_souvenir_shops/

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