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One thing I think about when I read about Roman/Greek homosexuality is the lack of modern lube. So what DID the ancients use as lube?
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unwantedplatypus posted:One thing I think about when I read about Roman/Greek homosexuality is the lack of modern lube. olive oil, i'm pretty sure.
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Jan 9, 2018 02:22
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unwantedplatypus posted:One thing I think about when I read about Roman/Greek homosexuality is the lack of modern lube. Garum 
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Jan 9, 2018 02:39
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spit just like in porn
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Jan 9, 2018 03:15
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unwantedplatypus posted:One thing I think about when I read about Roman/Greek homosexuality is the lack of modern lube. Curiously, this very discussion is what have the previous iteration of this thread its title iirc
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Jan 9, 2018 04:13
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FishFood posted:olive oil, i'm pretty sure. There's nothing it can't do in the ancient world.
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Jan 9, 2018 04:29
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ChocNitty posted:I’m cross posting this from another forum, because I didn’t much of a reply. But goons can be knowing stuff. For circumstantial evidence against: the historian Titus Livy, who was writing in Augustus's day, wrote as part of his description of a battle that was fought against the Etruscans shortly after the overthrow of the last Roman king, "In those days it was to a general's credit to take part in the actual fighting, so he eagerly accepted the challenge, and they rushed at one another with such desperation, neither of them taking thought for his own defence if only he might wound his adversary, that each was pierced right through his shield by the other's thrust, and, impaled upon the two spears, they fell dying from their horses." So if we can take Livy to heart, a generation after Caesar, it wasn't thought to be to a general's credit if he was actually in the fighting.
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Jan 9, 2018 05:40
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Grand Fromage posted:There's nothing it can't do in the ancient world. can it be used as a weapon?
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Jan 9, 2018 08:18
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unwantedplatypus posted:can it be used as a weapon? Pretty sure it's flammable, so yes.
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Jan 9, 2018 09:03
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Someone get me an amphora of extra slutty olive oil from the mercatus
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Jan 9, 2018 10:43
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Another thing is that most generals would have served as military tribunes (sort of a junior officer/military cadet/NCO rolled into the same role) earlier in life, and that's where they'd be in the thick of things and earned their stories of bravery/proved they could fight. You can probably coast on a good story of being a daring young tribune for quite a while. There's plenty of stories of military tribunes rallying the troops at a critical time, and I vaguely recall a story from one of the Roman-Macedonian wars of a tribune who rolled under the sarissas of a Macedonian phalanx to slash at their legs. The Battle of Cynoscephalae, story has it that a military tribune on the Roman right acted on their own initiative to outflank the Macedonian lines and attack them from the sides and rear, which was a big deal because it was a demonstration of how maniples could effectively outmaneuver phalanxes on rough terrain.
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Jan 9, 2018 13:17
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Grand Fromage posted:There's nothing it can't do in the ancient world. How on earth did those poor people survive without lard?
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Jan 9, 2018 13:23
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fantastic in plastic posted:For circumstantial evidence against: the historian Titus Livy, who was writing in Augustus's day, wrote as part of his description of a battle that was fought against the Etruscans shortly after the overthrow of the last Roman king, "In those days it was to a general's credit to take part in the actual fighting, so he eagerly accepted the challenge, and they rushed at one another with such desperation, neither of them taking thought for his own defence if only he might wound his adversary, that each was pierced right through his shield by the other's thrust, and, impaled upon the two spears, they fell dying from their horses." Counterpoint: Livy was well-known to be averse to violence and had no firsthand experience of military matters at any point in his life. He couldn’t say with any authority what contemporary generals did and it’s entirely possible he was just rolling his eyes at Us Pussified Moderns compared to the Virtuous Romans Of Yore.
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Jan 9, 2018 13:27
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The Virgin Marian, the Chad Polybian
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Jan 9, 2018 13:32
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does this make cato the equivalent of a steampunk cosplayer that wholeheartedly believes the victorian era was wonderful?
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Jan 9, 2018 15:31
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Jazerus posted:does this make cato the equivalent of a steampunk cosplayer that wholeheartedly believes the victorian era was wonderful? for an american, he dresses like washington or jefferson every day and does weird poo poo to be 100% in line with a crazy rear end literal view of the constitution, at time against conservatives cause he does something nuts like says guns are only supposed to be for an actual militia.
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Jan 9, 2018 15:34
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Jazerus posted:does this make cato the equivalent of a steampunk cosplayer that wholeheartedly believes the victorian era was wonderful? or the equivalent of a modern tea party type who invokes a fake history to claim their vices aren't vices but just sage anachronism.
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Jan 9, 2018 15:35
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WoodrowSkillson posted:for an american, he dresses like washington or jefferson every day and does weird poo poo to be 100% in line with a crazy rear end literal view of the constitution, at time against conservatives cause he does something nuts like says guns are only supposed to be for an actual militia. clarence thomas, got it
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Jan 9, 2018 15:35
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euphronius posted:There was at least a few fights in Gaul where JC was in hand to hand combat. But who knows if that is true. JC won the corona civica, but never a grass crown. It's okay, as he was in good company. Other non-winners included Gaius Marius and Scipio Africanus. There were only about ten legitimate grass crowns in the entirety of Roman history, and it was quite unusual that both Sulla and Sertorius each had one and happened to be contemporaries of each other.
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Jan 9, 2018 16:02
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I read JC as Jesus Christ and got really confused for a second.
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Jan 9, 2018 16:21
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Telsa Cola posted:I read JC as Jesus Christ and got really confused for a second. Wasn't there an old theory that the story of Jesus had actually been an allusion to Julius Caesar, to some degree?
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Jan 9, 2018 17:13
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AriadneThread posted:I read this as 'Jesus Christ' at first and was very confused Telsa Cola posted:I read JC as Jesus Christ and got really confused for a second. hello friend
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Jan 9, 2018 17:25
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Wikipedia posted:Grass Crown Augustus invented stealing valor
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Jan 9, 2018 18:07
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FAUXTON posted:Wasn't there an old theory that the story of Jesus had actually been an allusion to Julius Caesar, to some degree? Not that old (80s-90s), but yes, it is associated with Francesco Carotta. His book is rather insane, but worth a read, even if his argument is somewhat less convincing than like, a spooky connection between Abe Lincoln and JFK. e: lol quote:Books Looking forward to future exciting works by this author such as I Can’t Believe Jesus Wasn’t Caesar! and Jesus Was Also Scotty skasion fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Jan 9, 2018 19:16
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Jesus Was Literally Sully's Co-pilot
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Jan 9, 2018 19:27
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MikeCrotch posted:Augustus invented stealing valor
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Jan 9, 2018 19:28
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There’s also a recent book arguing that Jesus was the emperor Titus, apparently. I’ll flip through it today if work is slow, though I have to say I’m disappointed that this guy doesn’t seem to grasp the world historical importance of Jesus and Caesar sharing initials.
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Jan 9, 2018 19:34
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How's he reconcile that with Titus being born after Jesus died?
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Jan 9, 2018 19:41
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Epicurius posted:How's he reconcile that with Titus being born after Jesus died? Yeah, but he shook that off.
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Jan 9, 2018 19:42
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Epicurius posted:How's he reconcile that with Titus being born after Jesus died? Missing time, probably
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Jan 9, 2018 19:44
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I assume the argument is that while Vespasian was off fighting a civil war and Titus was besieging Jerusalem in his place, he saw an opportunity to take advantage of Jewish prophecy, and then literally every single detail without exception got screwed up in the retelling
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Jan 9, 2018 19:45
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This is still better than the argument that Caesar was Christ because they had the same initials, because this isn't even true in Greek (though it is in Latin).
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Jan 9, 2018 19:46
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The introduction to this book refers to Vitellius as the last of the Julio-Claudian emperors  e: thesis of the text as a whole: “To circumvent the Jews' religious stubbornness, the Flavians therefore created a religion that worshiped Caesar without its followers knowing it.” e2: yeah ok I’m done. This book is impressively moronic, you could flip to just about any page and find something hilariously wrong. If you don’t find it, it’s probably because the entire page is composed of block quotations from random writing of Josephus and the New Testament which are “parallel” in a way that proves Josephus wrote the gospels as pro-Flavian propaganda. Essentially the Erich von Daniken approach to early church scholarship. Well, “scholarship”. skasion fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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Jan 9, 2018 19:50
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skasion posted:e: thesis of the text as a whole: “To circumvent the Jews' religious stubbornness, the Flavians therefore created a religion that worshiped Caesar without its followers knowing it.” That puts a whole new spin on "Caesaropapism".
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Jan 9, 2018 20:44
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physeter posted:JC won the corona civica, but never a grass crown. It's okay, as he was in good company. Other non-winners included Gaius Marius and Scipio Africanus. There were only about ten legitimate grass crowns in the entirety of Roman history, and it was quite unusual that both Sulla and Sertorius each had one and happened to be contemporaries of each other. Thank you. I got them mixed up.
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Jan 9, 2018 20:49
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skasion posted:The introduction to this book refers to Vitellius as the last of the Julio-Claudian emperors Wouldn't "without them knowing it" defeat the entire point
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Jan 9, 2018 20:50
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Telsa Cola posted:I read JC as Jesus Christ and got really confused for a second. As has been mentioned I would never use "JC" for Jesus as it would be JN or IN.
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Jan 9, 2018 20:51
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cheetah7071 posted:Wouldn't "without them knowing it" defeat the entire point ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!
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Jan 9, 2018 20:57
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Yeezus of Nazareth
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So did the Flavians decide to make the Jews worship them without them knowing it before or after they invaded their country, burned down their capital and enslaved them? Because I'm thinking that works better as an object lesson.
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Jan 9, 2018 21:49
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