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Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Mederlock posted:

Every good man needs or is improved by a good dog

Dogs are awesome, but Jesus, they're a lot of hassle and a never-ending fountain of little errands. I have one, by virtue of my now-wife owning one since before we met, but I can't say I'd recommend it unless you're in your 40s or beyond with a very stable lifestyle. Walks, toileting, vet visits, dog licenses, dogsitting.... it never ends. Don't get a dog; get a friend with a dog.

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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
I would rephrase that as 'be very aware of exactly what you are signing up for by getting a dog.' If you know the real cost in time, attention, and money, and can manage that and feel the benefits outweigh the costs, then great. Otherwise both you and the dog will be unhappy.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Mozi posted:

I would rephrase that as 'be very aware of exactly what you are signing up for by getting a dog.' If you know the real cost in time, attention, and money, and can manage that and feel the benefits outweigh the costs, then great. Otherwise both you and the dog will be unhappy.
An acquaintance of mine had a lot of trouble finding a place to live last year due to his lack of solid employment and multiple cat ownership. He eventually found someone to take the cats and what did he do? Turn around and buy a 200lb bull mastiff. Because he missed having animals around. Now he can't find anywhere to live.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Dogs are basically toddlers that never age, I suppose this appeals to some.

If I had one I'd own a border collie so yeah I already have kids so forget it.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Lexicon posted:

Don't get a dog; get a friend or family with a dog.

Yeah, not gonna lie this is probably the best course of action if you don't have a stable lifestyle and the time to care properly for them. The amount of irresponsible dog owners out there is disheartening

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
Searched the forums but didn't find this, sorry if it's been posted before:

Canadaland Episode 86: Hongcouver, an interview with Ian Young from the South China Morning Post

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
Dogs are literally the only pure good animals left in the world

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I love owning my doggie, but drat does it ever make moving hard.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


On the one hand I think rating agencies should be cast down to the deepest reaches of hell, but on the other, :stare:

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Mozi posted:

I would rephrase that as 'be very aware of exactly what you are signing up for by getting a dog.' If you know the real cost in time, attention, and money, and can manage that and feel the benefits outweigh the costs, then great. Otherwise both you and the dog will be unhappy.

This. I have a dog that my girlfriend had before we got together who was purchased by her father when they were living together while she was in school/ he was working in NS. He wanted a dog even though she wasn't interested, so imagine her surprise when she came home to a pitbull puppy.

The dog was so hyper as a puppy to the point that it was mostly untrained when her and I got together and after a few years of hell took dog training courses, but it's still pretty hosed up thanks to her having to leave it for long periods to attend class, plus her father became pretty unhappy at the dog not being obedient and tied it to a stake and whipped it with a chain one day to make it listen better.

Her father eventually bailed when he got a job out West, but since he's been off work he's mentioned that he wants to get a new dog, "*slow grin* I wanna get a pitty"

My girlfriend told me that she will never not have a dog, but our lifestyles are really ill-suited for it.

+++This ends Professor Shark's Maritime Report/ EN Post+++

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Professor Shark posted:

This. I have a dog that my girlfriend had before we got together who was purchased by her father when they were living together while she was in school/ he was working in NS. He wanted a dog even though she wasn't interested, so imagine her surprise when she came home to a pitbull puppy.

The dog was so hyper as a puppy to the point that it was mostly untrained when her and I got together and after a few years of hell took dog training courses, but it's still pretty hosed up thanks to her having to leave it for long periods to attend class, plus her father became pretty unhappy at the dog not being obedient and tied it to a stake and whipped it with a chain one day to make it listen better.

Her father eventually bailed when he got a job out West, but since he's been off work he's mentioned that he wants to get a new dog, "*slow grin* I wanna get a pitty"

My girlfriend told me that she will never not have a dog, but our lifestyles are really ill-suited for it.

+++This ends Professor Shark's Maritime Report/ EN Post+++

:sever:

TheOtherContraGuy
Jul 4, 2007

brave skeleton sacrifice

JawKnee posted:

Searched the forums but didn't find this, sorry if it's been posted before:

Canadaland Episode 86: Hongcouver, an interview with Ian Young from the South China Morning Post

I really wish Jesse Brown would cover this more. I remember this episode, it was quite good.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Hahaha, holy poo poo you guys should see the suburban sprawl in the interior. Vernon is surrounded by miles of cookie-cutter developments tossed on the ridges around town. Da fuq happened up here in six years. :psyduck:

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
My town with it's multimillion dollar ski lodges in now implementing "Frugal Fridays" with deals from the local BIA members. #nobubblehere

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Rime posted:

Hahaha, holy poo poo you guys should see the suburban sprawl in the interior. Vernon is surrounded by miles of cookie-cutter developments tossed on the ridges around town. Da fuq happened up here in six years. :psyduck:

A lot of the detritus from Calgary has been inflicted upon that region.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

peter banana posted:

My town with it's multimillion dollar ski lodges in now implementing "Frugal Fridays" with deals from the local BIA members. #nobubblehere

Ski towns generally have a large population of relatively poor people who work the lifts.

We have locals deals and cheap places to eat and websites to find the cheapest stuff all the time despite the shittiest 400sqft cabins costing a million bucks.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-19/canada-s-credit-cycle-has-never-been-this-desynchronized-from-the-united-states

quote:

Canada's Credit Cycle Has Never Been This Desynchronized From the United States

Canada has entered the very late innings of its super-charged private sector credit cycle, one that has completely decoupled from that of its largest trading partner, according to Macquarie Analyst David Doyle.

"Canada’s private sector nonfinancial debt to GDP ratio (includes household debt and non-financial business debt) has skyrocketed since 2005, rising by over 60 percentage points," he wrote. "This is a greater magnitude of increase than occurred for the forty years prior (1965 to 2005)."

As a result of this prolonged binge, Canada's private sector non-financial debt-to-GDP exceeds the comparable U.S. ratio by its highest level on record:



In the wake of the credit crisis through 2015, the U.S. economy experienced a painful deleveraging, with the ratio of private sector debt-to-GDP falling by an average of 2 percentage points per year. Meanwhile, Canada's credit cycle kicked into overdrive, with private sector debt-to-GDP rising nearly 5 percentage points each year.

Doyle indicated that it was the smaller retreat in Canadian home prices and the continuation of the commodity supercycle the enabled the credit cycle in the Great White North to decouple so markedly from that of the world's largest economy.

"What I've been telling clients is that Canada came through the financial crisis looking relatively good not because of productivity-enhancing advancements or anything like that, but by going through this hyper-leveraging cycle," said Doyle in a telephone interview.

While credit growth is poised to serve as a continued tailwind to activity south of the border, the analyst expects that Canada's credit frenzy will soon be over.

He suggested that the confluence of a surge in young, heavily-indebted households (eerily similar to the pre-crisis U.S.); ripple effects on employment from lower oil prices; and an increase in banks' funding costs due to global financial volatility and liftoff from the U.S. Fed—which have been passed along to households, and in particular, businesses—is likely to substantially slow the growth of Canadian private debt relative to GDP

In 2015, the Canadian economy was highly reliant on interest-rate sensitive segments for growth. Through November, more than half of the growth in the services side of the economy was attributable to the expansion of the real estate sub-sector.

It's hard to think of two economies that are more intertwined than Canada and the United States. Of the 120 instances since 1983 in which U.S. quarterly growth was positive, the Canadian economy also expanded 92.5 percent of the time. Two of these divergences occurred during the first half of 2015, and another two in 1986—the last supply-side fueled crash in oil prices.

Desynchronized credit cycles threaten to facilitate a further divorce in real activity between the two nations.

A best-case scenario for Canada would see the nation muddle through with a few years of sluggish growth, judged Doyle. Fiscal stimulus, a modest pick-up in non-energy goods exports, and growth in the export-oriented segments of the services sector could provide significant offset to the deterioration in credit-sensitive sectors that the analyst sees in the offing.

"We do see a path out, I don't know if I'd call it a beautiful one, but Canada doesn't have to look like the U.S. in 2008-2009," said Doyle.


James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
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James Baud fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Aug 25, 2018

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
what's in vernon besides organized crime

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
Lots and lots of churches

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
A family member just sold his ~600 sqft Olympic village condo for $640k.

The best part: boomer parents on bother sides are lamenting "now where are you going to buy? You'll be priced out!!!"

Buyers bought the apt with no subjects BTW. Didn't even read the loving strata minutes or enquire about the depreciation report lmao

Also, the bedroom is so small you have to exit the br and go in the second doorway to get to the other side of the br. That's right. There's no room between the foot of the bed and the loving wall

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

ZShakespeare posted:

Lots and lots of churches

And retired people!

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Cultural Imperial posted:

A family member just sold his ~600 sqft Olympic village condo for $640k.

The best part: boomer parents on bother sides are lamenting "now where are you going to buy? You'll be priced out!!!"

Buyers bought the apt with no subjects BTW. Didn't even read the loving strata minutes or enquire about the depreciation report lmao

Also, the bedroom is so small you have to exit the br and go in the second doorway to get to the other side of the br. That's right. There's no room between the foot of the bed and the loving wall

Mainland Chinese buyers?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Korean actually.

Pixelboy
Sep 13, 2005

Now, I know what you're thinking...

Cultural Imperial posted:

Korean actually.

Turns out, that their bank drafts work just as well.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Canadian RE in a photo?

Beanie Baby prices forecasted 10 years ahead

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Cultural Imperial posted:

what's in vernon besides organized crime

Trucks with dual-wheels on the rear.

And Australians.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Cultural Imperial posted:

A family member just sold his ~600 sqft Olympic village condo for $640k.

The best part: boomer parents on bother sides are lamenting "now where are you going to buy? You'll be priced out!!!"

Buyers bought the apt with no subjects BTW. Didn't even read the loving strata minutes or enquire about the depreciation report lmao

Also, the bedroom is so small you have to exit the br and go in the second doorway to get to the other side of the br. That's right. There's no room between the foot of the bed and the loving wall

Well with 640K well invested you could back around 5% a year, which can be used to pay for a good rental.

Just he passive income alone at 2.5% would bring in $16000 a year.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib
Yesterday I was helping my family clean out my alcoholic grandmother's condo since she'd been moved to a nursing home for her own health. The whole thing was about 3100 square feet, 2 bed 2.5 bath, plus I think about 700 to 800 sqft basement, and sold for $259,000 USD. Granted, I live in a low cost-of-living area, and the condo was in poor shape because of two decades of alcoholism (the first floor carpet in particular will have to be completely replaced) but your prices are beyond absurd, Canadians.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

etalian posted:

Well with 640K well invested you could back around 5% a year, which can be used to pay for a good rental.

Just he passive income alone at 2.5% would bring in $16000 a year.

He bought it 3 years ago for $440k. I'm glad he did well.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Cultural Imperial posted:

He bought it 3 years ago for $440k. I'm glad he did well.

So pretty close to a 0% return in USD terms, interestingly.

Jenny of Oldstones
Jul 24, 2002

Queen of dragonflies
We live in Coquitlam, and both my husband and I have professional jobs. We rent a house and got lucky to find an owner who wanted long-term renters. She also owns other houses on the block, and our neighbor has been renting for over 10 years. Our house is 2,200 square feet and only 1,545 a month. However, we do dream of eventually buying a house. I had dreamed of buying a little further out like Pitt Meadows or Maple Ridge, but the housing there is also skyrocketing. I just like more rural areas and feel like Vancouver is soul-less. It is framed by a beautiful vista, but nothing else really draws me about this area outside a few long-time friends and some great running trails.

The corrupt housing market is not a place I would want to call home. Home is or should be more than a playground for the rich. Home is or should be something beyond wooden framed investments; home is or should be a place you cherish and create life experiences. People who don't get that simple concept or say "leave" if you can't afford it come across as superficial and smug. The reasons I would want to leave have more to do with that kind of attitude and the corrupt market surrounding us. It's really just a sign of unhealthy economics, and that is not sustainable, nor is it a place I'd want to buy and "settle down". We are here for now because we both really love our jobs and are not sure that we'd find something so solid somewhere else (I wouldn't want to move away from BC but have thought of getting into the interior)

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Maple Ridge sure is a soulful place.

Jenny of Oldstones
Jul 24, 2002

Queen of dragonflies

THC posted:

Maple Ridge sure is a soulful place.
Not really going to argue semantics over what is a subjective phrasing, but I wouldn't describe Maple Ridge as that either, really. However, rural areas, more green space, actual yards, etc. are appealing to me way more than the boxy city areas. We just drove out there yesterday to go running and I felt like America had crossed the border with the strip malls and everything, so don't get me wrong--I get what you're saying here, but if that's your only take away from my post, then :shrug:

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
You're gonna have a bad time in the interior if you're not already rich and white.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
I can't tell if you're complaining about the fact that Vancouver sucks as a city or about housing prices in Maple Ridge because LMFAO if it's the latter. I'd saw off my left arm to have a house available for sale here for $400k.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Weekly (Daily?) article about how the real estate situation is probably destroying Vancouver in the long term.

Ignore the awful and irrelevant headline. Not the first time I've seen Globe and Mail articles with odd headlines that don't really fit the article.

quote:


Vancouver’s housing market pushes young workers into long commutes

Stephanie Roe is typical of the average millennial trying to lay down roots in Vancouver. She works and lives downtown and with the assistance of her parents, she and her husband have a respectable amount of money to put toward a house so they can start raising a family.

But Roe, a 32-year-old legal assistant, has spent more than a year searching for that elusive house, and with prices climbing in the Lower Mainland, she wonders if home ownership will ever be within their grasp.

“It’s getting to the point where you have to leave and find another job and maybe relocate,” she says. “I have friends who were lucky, they purchased three months ago and bought a home off the highway in Abbotsford for $475,000, and there’s no backyard. This is what it’s now become.”

She and her husband, a plumber, have $550,000 to put toward a house. After losing out on several houses because of fierce competition, they’re hoping to purchase a small house in Surrey. If they do get it, it will still need a $20,000 renovation so they have a revenue suite. They can’t afford the house without it. The commute for Ms. Roe will be more than an hour, which is a lot longer than the short walk from her $1,350 a month, West End apartment. But they want a house.

“I can’t even fathom being pregnant in a 600-square-foot space. I can’t fit a crib in my current home.”

Condos won’t be the solution to the unaffordability crisis. A poll released this week showed 44 per cent of those surveyed still believe that detached houses “should comprise all or most future development in the province.” Forty-eight per cent of people polled said single-family homes should comprise “some” future development. [Femtosecond: !!!!] The poll was conducted by McAllister Public Opinion Research for the Real Estate Foundation of B.C., and was based on a sample taken from 1,701 people across B.C., one-third of them urban.

As well, three-bedroom condos are scarce, and except for a big, bustling city like New York, condo living for families has never been a part of the North American worldview.

And even more spacious alternatives such as townhouses or duplexes are also priced out of reach for the average millennial, especially when strata fees are factored in. It means this group either has to commit to a life of renting, change their plans for having a family, or relocate far from their jobs, adding commuting costs that are, over time, prohibitive.

The unaffordability problem is changing the landscape not just for millennial workers, but also for the companies that rely on them.

Ms. Roe’s boss, lawyer Clint Lee, says the lack of available housing for staff means potentially losing employees, or having to shift to telecommuting, which isn’t always workable.

“From our perspective, this is problematic as it may mean that should she ultimately find housing far away from our office, she may decide to find employment elsewhere. It’s on our radar as a possibility, and if we lose her, it means having to train someone from scratch again. It’s a drain on our work process, and we really can’t afford to go through it too often.”

Restaurateur Neil Ingram, former co-owner of Boneta and current owner of Cinara, says his industry is having a tough time with staffing, too. There are jobs, but turnover is high because young people are leaving the city. He says if he were younger and starting out, he wouldn’t stay in Vancouver either.

“It’s really, really hard to find anybody to work at these jobs. Everybody has a hard time finding staff. It’s a huge, huge problem for the restaurant industry. The vacancy rate is less than one per cent, and people spend most of their income on rent and transportation to get into town. It’s nuts.

“These are people that any functioning city would want to hang onto as hard as they can. They are materially contributing, and they can’t legitimately have a hope of laying down permanent roots to live here.”

Last year, Vancity released a report that said by 2025, 85 of 88 “in-demand jobs” would be too low income for Metro Vancouver. In a decade, most people will relocate outside of the city, and if there’s enough outward migration, it could result in a labour crisis.

Between 2001 and 2014, average wages increased 36.2 per cent, compared to an average Vancouver home value (all types) increase of 211 per cent. Only senior managers, specialist physicians, lawyers, certain types of engineers, police officers and firefighters had the incomes to afford a home in Metro Vancouver, said the report. But that list could have changed by now, with the more than 20 per cent increase in assessed house values we saw last year. A Vancity spokesperson conceded they would probably be updating the report.

Ryan Holmes, chief executive officer of Vancouver-based success story Hootsuite, recently wrote an op/ed about the unaffordability crisis potentially impacting the tech industry. That industry is the glimmer of hope that the city needs, but without affordable places to live, how is any industry to survive?

A Vancouver-based employee of a major tech company who preferred not to give his name, e-mailed me: “The first question that comes out of the mouths of candidates I speak to is, ‘how expensive is it to live in Vancouver?’ This is the biggest concern for people making the move here and it shouldn’t be, especially for highly paid tech employees who earn significantly above the median household income in Vancouver.

“If things keep going the way they’re going, I may not be able to answer them honestly with, ‘you can make it work.’ And that really worries me.”


If Vancouver can get it right, he added, the tech industry could flourish. People love living here. But he’s also spoken with worried people in other occupations, including a paramedic who lives in fear of being evicted from his affordable apartment.

“These people are the lifeblood of Vancouver … and we’re kicking them all out.”

Paul Robinson, 34, who grew up in Columbus, Ohio, moved to Vancouver to work as a senior engineer. He’s having a tough time bringing in workers from cities such as Calgary, where housing is more affordable and incomes are about a third higher.

“I just went through this. I asked a guy, ‘Would you come work for us?’ He lives in a $1-million house in Calgary and he’s a senior engineer. And he said, ‘there’s no way I’m moving there. I lived in Burnaby in the nineties, and I couldn’t buy that house again.’

“It totally shuts down the conversation. They say, ‘I know house prices. You guys can’t pay me enough.’”


Mr. Robinson, who rents downtown, wants to raise a family in a house. But he’s also nervous about investing a lot of money in a market that appears unstable.

“Everyone I know, who’s young, rents downtown. But when it comes time to start a family, they move back to Ontario, or if they can line up a job, maybe Victoria, where they have nice houses – a house with yard and a garage. Not next to a crack house.

“I don’t need a big house or even a really nice house. I grew up in a very normal house in a so-so suburb, but we could walk everywhere. I’ve worked very hard, and I have made good moves in my career in the past 12 years. I know what those earnings would get me in any other city in North America. I’d like to be able to have kids that can play in a backyard, and I don’t think that’s too much to ask.”

He also doesn’t trust the market, where he sees locals overleveraging themselves just to get in on the action. He’s seen what happened in the U.S. during the mortgage crisis and how people’s lives were ruined. Vancouver’s market feels unstable because we’ve hitched our house prices to an unknown entity, which is the foreign money driving prices, he says. In a city such as Seattle, the housing market is more stable because it’s directly linked to the job market.

“In Seattle, prices are going up because of Microsoft, Boeing, Amazon, Costco, and a lot of people moving from California in the tech sector. Here, that’s not the case.

“So if I get a house for $1.2-million, I would be stretched to the absolute limit. All my life savings are invested in this house. So, you hope prices continue to go up, and the only way prices can continue to go up is if foreign money continues to come in.

“Because if I’m earning more than the average person, and if I can barely buy the worst house in the city, who could buy that house off me?”


As part of the budget announcement this week, the province offered property transfer tax exemptions on new houses up to $750,000. By offering increased tax exemptions, instead of cooling the influx of foreign money, the province is facilitating a dangerous game, he argues. The guy who buys in last is most vulnerable.

“They are encouraging people to get in at the very, very bottom of the pyramid, because they don’t want it to collapse.

“I would not buy into a market that’s driven by outside forces that no one has even quantified.”



Paul Robinson seems like a smart guy.

BTW I certainly hope that Stephanie Roe and her friends are working in the Valley because Metro Vancouver did a study that showed that if you factor in the transportation costs living outside the city and commuting in is actually less affordable than living in Vancouver. I guess some people are so desperate to own they don't care about anything else.

Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Feb 22, 2016

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Canadian Debt Bubble Megathread: you can make it work

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Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
Today I was in Legacy Liquor in the Olympic Village in Vancouver. It turns out you can Pay with China UnionPay there.

:wth:

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