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Guavanaut posted:Normally the arch right-wingers end up in the upper right quadrant because they're not too keen on civil liberties either. Well yeah but it's lovely axis labelling then.
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Private Speech posted:Well yeah but it's lovely axis labelling then. It might be poo poo, but it's better than left-centre-right by a country mile.
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TheRat posted:It might be poo poo, but it's better than left-centre-right by a country mile. I'm just being a pedant about how it should be labelled "economic left/economic right" rather than just "left/right". Because right now you get precisely the left-centre-right axis, but with added oppression-o-meter, or whatever it is supposed to be. e: Also coming up with a scale to reduce economic policy to a line is hard. Was Blair economically to the right of, say, Churchill? Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:59 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 21:56
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Private Speech posted:I'm just being a pedant about how it should be labelled "economic left/economic right" rather than just "left/right". Because right now you get precisely the left-centre-right axis, but with added oppression-o-meter, or whatever it is supposed to be.
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/861326539388071936 who wants to break it to him
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Kurtofan posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/861326539388071936 He doesn't mean in government.
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quote:LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧 ✔ @LeaveEUOfficial I thought the problem was those bad folks who just refuse to integrate??? Help me out here Private Speech fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 22:24
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Kurtofan posted:https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/861307433829924866 They don't get satire either, or maybe it's just one big joke... https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/861328520454307840
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:They don't get satire either, or maybe it's just one big joke... They do have the blue tickmark though. Plus I recall reading some graun editorial about their tweets. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 22:25
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Private Speech posted:They do have the blue tickmark though. it has to be satire, surely
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Mega off-topic, but just wondered if anyone here has experience with inguinal hernia repair? I'm getting the op done next week. I do bouldering and rock climbing and am basically wondering how quickly I can get back to it. The docs say six weeks, but I'm dubious - climbing often involves a lot of intense core exercise and I don't want to go back too early and make things worse. If anyone's into weightlifting or gymnastics or bodyweight exercises and has had anything similar I'd love to hear what happened and how long it took you to get back to normal.
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May 7, 2017 22:27
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Oh dear me posted:Food stamps or other ways to force benefit recipients to buy only basics and only from favoured companies have already been discussed, I can certainly see those coming. But workfare and prisons already provide skivvies, and Tories are the party of landlords. They get money already from housing the poor via housing benefit. Why would they want more houses built? And would they really be so stupid as to help the poor get together and organize? Workfare (and prison) still pay out cash benefits, which the poor use to buy tattoos and Ugg boots and scary dogs, and this rankles Tories, but not as much as having to live next to them does. I'm willing to bet that house prices on the Isle of Dogs would shoot even further into the stratosphere if they could find some way of displacing those last few stubborn commoners who cling to it's periphery. As to getting together and organising... well they already have no problem scattering them to the four winds as a side effect, I'm certain they'd see no problem with doing it as direct policy. Breaking up working-class community was a major, if unspoken, point of RTB after all, so why not finish the job by rotating the poor between different workhouses every few months (exactly as they did in the more excitable areas of the inner cities during the Victorian era).
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Okay, hold it. Why do some posters in here have S Club 7 avatars? Is this a GBS thing?
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Okay, hold it. Why do some posters in here have S Club 7 avatars? Is this a GBS thing? Someone ITT has a novel sense of humour with their BRCTs. Same reason for mine.
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The S Club 7 Avs are because the guy who bought them got the wrong Ian Watkins mate. Edit: ah wait thats steps never mind i hosed up my mild kids pop groups, just like the old bill mixed up their Ian Watkinses Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 23:00
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Steps are better than S-Club 7 by miles.
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Again I feel like I have to point out that I got ripped off, I'd take S Club 7 over Tim Farron any day. Could've at least given me the milk picture.
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Guavanaut posted:Looks like Macron won though, and the centrist didn't even get a look in. Was melenchon showing socialist solidarity with the national socialist? When the far right and the far left ally together against the center, you know they are both just as bad. I've become increasingly convinced that those 'political compass' things rot peoples brains. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 23:10 on May 7, 2017 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:Steps are better than S-Club 7 by miles. Yes but Rachel Stevens
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hakimashou posted:When the far right and the far left ally together against the center, you know they are both just as bad.
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Is Macron that right wing? Educate my baby brain please
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He's a believer in the classical liberal line of anti-welfare, free trade at all costs, pro-deregulation. How much of an effect that will have on the people of France in his presidential role is up for debate, as that's more outwardly focused. Both Macron and Le Pen have personally rejected the labels of left and right in interviews, each claiming to represent both. Which shows how the labels really fall apart when you have 'take the brakes off and see who goes fastest' running against 'special brakes for Muslims'.
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Paperhouse posted:Is Macron that right wing? Educate my baby brain please He was the one who tried to "liberalise" French work laws under Hollande. (and then passed it on the minister for labour Khomri, thus it's known as Loi El Khomri) But he used to be in the French Labour-equivalent too, until he quit to run against the leftist candidate (Hamon).
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Paperhouse posted:Is Macron that right wing? Educate my baby brain please He thinks that the problem with modern society is that poor people just don't work hard enough
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Zephro posted:Mega off-topic, but just wondered if anyone here has experience with inguinal hernia repair? I'm getting the op done next week. I do bouldering and rock climbing and am basically wondering how quickly I can get back to it. The docs say six weeks, but I'm dubious - climbing often involves a lot of intense core exercise and I don't want to go back too early and make things worse. If anyone's into weightlifting or gymnastics or bodyweight exercises and has had anything similar I'd love to hear what happened and how long it took you to get back to normal. At 6 weeks the strength of the repair will have reached about 80% of maximum. The usual advice is that if you need to lift more than 10kg (which presumably climbing involves) you should wait 6-8 weeks after the surgery, and proceed slowly. The benefit of waiting longer than 8 weeks is going to be dubious because by that point the repair will be almost as strong as it's going to get.
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Here's an Economist article about what Macron did in the government: The economy minister must convince Brussels his reforms are liberal, and French Socialists they are not It's the Economist so fairly liberal viewpoint, but it's a decent summary.
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Paperhouse posted:Is Macron that right wing? Educate my baby brain please He's like a blairite How on earth he's been put to the right of the guy who wanted to cut the state and liberalise work laws more is beyond me.
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TinTower posted:Melenchon is rather infamous for anti-immigrant rhetoric that you'd expect more from the Tories than Labour. Also rabidly anti-EU in a not particularly veiled anti-German sectarian way. But somehow people on this side of the channel see he's the nominal left wing candidate so must be the good one
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Maybe don't go out bouldering straight after 8 weeks and work your way up to it if you're nervous.
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TheRat posted:Macron is that guy. Fillon was even more of that guy.
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Guavanaut posted:So Melenchon showing Macron support against the national socialist shows that they're both as bad as one another? Mélenchon pointedly refused to back Macron against the nazi after the first round, unlike every other eliminated candidate.
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Cerv posted:Mélenchon pointedly refused to back Macron against the nazi after the first round, unlike every other eliminated candidate. Why was that?
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Dabir posted:Why was that? He said he didn't have a mandate to tell people who to vote for, which I quite like.
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TheRat posted:He said he didn't have a mandate to tell people who to vote for, which I quite like. He held a party referendum on it in fact. I'm not sure if I'd prefer him much over Macron really, maybe if I were French, but cynically speaking his foreign policy was pretty crazy. Hamon would've been great though. He almost got kicked out of PS for going against Hollande. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:54 on May 7, 2017 |
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Cerv posted:Mélenchon pointedly refused to back Macron against the nazi after the first round, unlike every other eliminated candidate.
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Guavanaut posted:So who are the far right and the far left allying together against the center? Neither of those labels seem to make much sense when both candidates outright rejected labels of left, right, and center, and one of them is pro welfare state but anti immigrant and the other is pro globalization but anti workers' rights? I'm guessing from Macron it was a third-way play to get center-right voters on his side. In particular a lot of the more moderate people in LR didn't like Fillon because of his gay-hating ways (and later corruption scandals). e: His rhetoric was really quite similar to Blair and Nu Labour. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:59 on May 7, 2017 |
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Yeah Fillon was the far-right candidate by most metrics. Economic deregulation plus social traditionalism. Le Pen falls outside of the traditional spectrum other than we've decided to call all authoritarian nationalists 'far right' whether they're extreme conservatives or collectivizing the industry down the barrel of a tank cannon. Except some of them are far left if they talk about Marx while they're doing their socialism-in-one-country. Except the far left are all kumbaya singing pacifists. It's hard to turn it into a meaningful metric.
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Guavanaut posted:Except the far left are all kumbaya singing pacifists. I think you'll find that's the regressive left 
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Zephro posted:Mega off-topic, but just wondered if anyone here has experience with inguinal hernia repair? I'm getting the op done next week. I do bouldering and rock climbing and am basically wondering how quickly I can get back to it. The docs say six weeks, but I'm dubious - climbing often involves a lot of intense core exercise and I don't want to go back too early and make things worse. If anyone's into weightlifting or gymnastics or bodyweight exercises and has had anything similar I'd love to hear what happened and how long it took you to get back to normal. Further to Jabby's post, you could always make your own contribution to the medical literature and do whatever you drat well like. Please do record exact dates, though, so that when you get written about for a 1-page case study in the BMJ or The World Journal of Hernia and Abdominal Wall Surgery or whatever, they can be precise about it.
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