Literally A Person posted:

The vocalist from Guttermouth might be my all-time favorite punk vocalist. Dude sounds like a loving used car salesman and it's just

Phlegmish posted:

Man, I can't believe I didn't look at this thread for a year and completely missed Oi! chat. How'd it go, 100YrsofAttitude? I'm assuming you don't need any more pointers?

Gutter Phoenix posted:

It feels good to strap on an instrument, get on stage, and yell at people about how hosed up the world is while a well-oiled machine backs you up.

That's punk in a nutshell (at least to me), why I love this music, and why it why it means so much to me. It really is a sort of DIY lifestyle, while staying connected to cool people/ things and trying to avoid the pitfalls of life.

Punk is protest music, and that's why it's powerful. Here in America, we need that now more than ever.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

What is clear is that very few like this music which is kinda funny how punk is pretty much exclusive to young adults in whom it's targeted at and who makes it. Styles have just changed a lot. Their revolutionary music is going to be more often than not hip-hop.

Phlegmish posted:

Plus ça change...

I was born in 1990 and as a teenager I was already almost the only one I knew who listened to that type of music. You'd have to go back to the late seventies and early eighties for it to be truly zeitgeist, and even then I probably have an overly romantic view of what it was like.

Phlegmish posted:

Plus ça change...

I was born in 1990 and as a teenager I was already almost the only one I knew who listened to that type of music. You'd have to go back to the late seventies and early eighties for it to be truly zeitgeist, and even then I probably have an overly romantic view of what it was like.

Gutter Phoenix posted:

You can see from the wide-ranging music I've posted here that my definition of "punk" is pretty broad. For me it's about the lyrics and the passion. I think Ice-T is punk as gently caress. I think Rancid is garbage horseshit. Your definition may vary, but that's OK. Punk is whatever you want it to be, and anyone who says different is wrong.

Gutter Phoenix posted:

There was a punk scene in the Bay Area during the mid-90's centered around 924 Gilman in Berkeley, but I didn't like the bands or people in that scene.
I thought it looked and sounded fake and lame, and the cliques in the scene were full of the same trust fund rear end holes I hated in high school. People treated me like a pariah when I went to Gilman to see bands, and I've never forgotten it.

I liked the weird, old lovely-sounding punk rock from the late 70's and early 80's, and pushed to play stuff like that in the bands I played in during the mid-to-late 90's. The all-ages punk clubs like Gilman, and their fashion-focused social groups weren't receptive to that. We couldn't get shows at those places. Happily, the 21+ clubs would let us play, and we had some small following among older alcoholics despite us being teetotaler teenagers.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

1989 for me and I got into it in the early 2000's using garage rock bands like White Stripes and the Strokes as the first steps into that sonic aesthetic. I'd eventually fall really hard for some 80's bands like Sonic Youth and then I think it was Mission of Burma (sure ok post-punk sue me) that just hooked me solid for a very long time. And then just the rest.

Truth.

It's what I love about the genre, the sheer sincerity of it. My secret dream is to inspire my students into making their own punk band one day. Who knows?

A former student who is just listening to all sorts of wild things suggested IDLES to me and I am hooked. Their earliest stuff is punk and now they're turning a bit post-punk, a shift that reminded me of Wire a bit, but it's just so much fun and so good.

Highlights from each album:

BRUTALISM was their debut and I just love the track

Mother- song starts about 40 seconds in and only runs some 3 minutes. Video's a bit longer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuQG6_evFc8

I love the lyrics, I love the rage, and it's just got a driving riff to drag it forward angrily. Also a fan of "Well Done"

Joy as an Act of Resistance, their sophomore record:

Television great chorus and just a lovely, feel good song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK0IoBb-nhM

Ultra Mono 3rd record, some good hard tracks, but the post-punk is bleeding through far harder and it works so well.

Model Village

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjr11lGEBg4

CRAWLER

It has to be MTT 420 RR. The opening track is haunting and melodic and ok entirely post punk (Car Crash is some more traditional (?) punk but I love this track and want to drive at night to it so so bad).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drLL2aCPNtc

Disco Pope posted:

I can't really crack IDLES, their earnestness is a bit much for me, it seems a bit studied and they're a bit bloke-y. I like that they exist and have a following that they seem to respect though. Music is a better place for them existing, for sure.

How! posted:

They’re my favorite band at the moment.

Grounds, War, Never Fight a Man With a Perm, I’m Scum, Village, Mother, they’re just so good.

Some of their stuff misses with me hard, but they’re pretty great.

Slaves are another UK band I’ve really been enjoying.

The Aussies are killing it with Amyl and the Sniffers and the Chats.

Viagra Boys are lots of fun too- Shrimp Sessions rules.

E: I enjoy the blokeyness of IDLES. Class consciousness to me is the essence of punk, and they really kind of match how angry I am at everything while retaining their love for their peers and not letting anger turn to hate, and redirecting that anger where it is deserved (the rich and the racists).

Gutter Phoenix posted:

I was born in 1977, and joined my first band shortly after moving from the suburbs of Chicago to the suburbs of San Francisco/Oakland/Berkeley in 1991. It was a lovely metal band. I didn't know anyone who listened to punk until I was 15 or 16.

Once I got turned on to punk rock in the mid-90's, I dove into it, and spent all my spare time listening to cassette bootlegs of any punk record I could borrow. I scoured record stores looking for more.

There was a punk scene in the Bay Area during the mid-90's centered around 924 Gilman in Berkeley, but I didn't like the bands or people in that scene.
I thought it looked and sounded fake and lame, and the cliques in the scene were full of the same trust fund rear end holes I hated in high school. People treated me like a pariah when I went to Gilman to see bands, and I've never forgotten it.

I liked the weird, old lovely-sounding punk rock from the late 70's and early 80's, and pushed to play stuff like that in the bands I played in during the mid-to-late 90's. The all-ages punk clubs like Gilman, and their fashion-focused social groups weren't receptive to that. We couldn't get shows at those places. Happily, the 21+ clubs would let us play, and we had some small following among older alcoholics despite us being teetotaler teenagers.

I have never dressed up like a punk or had a mohawk or anything. The rage and passion of the music is inside me, and I have never needed to prove that to a bunch of scenester jerkoffs who treated me like poo poo because I wouldn't bend to their lame standards.

You can see from the wide-ranging music I've posted here that my definition of "punk" is pretty broad. For me it's about the lyrics and the passion. I think Ice-T is punk as gently caress. I think Rancid is garbage horseshit. Your definition may vary, but that's OK. Punk is whatever you want it to be, and anyone who says different is wrong.

Victis posted:

lol

All the hardcore and skate-punk kids all just wore t-shirts and jeans, sounds like you were just in a lovely place and associated music with your specific experiences. Like who was worried about mohawks at a Jawbreaker or AFI show? RIP on missing out on the Chicago scene though (Screeching Weasel, Alkaline Trio, RA, 88 Fingers Louie, The Lawrence Arms etc)

Anyways IDLES rules, I fuckin love post-punk and am getting shades of Hot Water Music

Gutter Phoenix posted:

LOL!

I was a poor little weirdo with a chip on my shoulder and untreated manic depression back in the late 90's, so there was a lot going on in my life at the time. I didn't really hang out in the punk scene, but I played a fuckload of shows in a few different bands. I wish I was the person I am now back then, and could have enjoyed it more at the time, but it was still crazy and fun. I fuckin' love playing drums. Bass is fun too. I didn't get a chance to sing much back then, but that is also fun.

I'm still a weirdo. I don't really fit in to any social group, and never have, and mostly keep to myself, except when I hang out with groups of friends who want me around because I am entertaining and fun.

Gutter Phoenix posted:

I liked the music from the older bands better, so I pretty much ignored Green Day and the Offspring and AFI and all that pop punk poo poo. The bands I was in played with a lot of pop punk bands because of the era, but we were more focused on music from before our time, and attempted to sound more like that as a result.

I've just always been into history, I guess!

I like the raw sound of primitive punk, but I also like good hooks. I dunno. I just like what I like.

I have a tendency to ignore what's happening around me at any given moment because I'm too busy exploring cool, old poo poo. I figure if something is good, I'll eventually find it.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

I know there's a teacher's thread somewhere, but I've lost it, and you've all been so useful before, so it's only very little related to punk, but I had an idea to do a literature series of classes on Nihilism and/or Absurdism. It's an excuse to use the Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow soliloquy from Shakespeare and Hemingway's A Clean Well-lighted Place and some other things that I'm looking for.

Anyway, I know I've heard nihilistic or absurdist punk songs before. I just can't place any at the moment. Thoughts?

Gutter Phoenix posted:

Off the top of my head, anything by the Germs and Poison Idea. Early Social Unrest. Dayglo Abortions. Dead Kennedys. D.I. and D.R.I. The Freeze.

I love absurdist literature like Kafka, Rabelais, Camus, Sartre, Mikhail Bulgakov, Jason Starr, James Crumley. Motherfuckin' Charles Willeford. The book of Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament, of course.

I hate to promote my own poo poo, but you may get some inspiration from my book and magazine threads:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3842135

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3887842

I just woke up, so let me drink some coffee. I'll add more suggestions if I have time.


I wish I had a recording of this song I wrote and sang in the band Stealth Forklift circa 2008:

NinetySevenA posted:

got the first book in the mail today.

read the acknowledgements, preface and the first chapter. i think im in for a wild ride with this book.

Gutter Phoenix posted:

Gutter Phoenix posted:

I always loved how much extra stuff Dead Kennedys put in their records.

That's why I like punk rock, and the underground zine culture and all that. They are all great vehicles for spreading creative ideas without corporate support.

MattO posted:

FLYERS!! Some from a band I was in way back when