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DrSunshine posted:This is unnecessary, really, since Canadians already are Americans in all but name. Technically everyone who lives in the new world is american.
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Peanut President posted:Technically everyone who lives in the new world is american. Like Australians
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Peanut President posted:Technically everyone who lives in the new world is american. And everyone in the US are Columbians.
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HookShot posted:Greater Scandinavia wins for having parts on North America as well as Europe. I love this map because you can see the Varangian Guard retirement homes in northern Thrace.
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Jul 16, 2015 20:09
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I present, the Motherfucker Belt:
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Trabisnikof posted:I present, the Motherfucker Belt: Many other maps in the series: http://gawker.com/do-you-live-in-a-bitch-or-a-gently caress-state-american-cu-1718259899 Find your favorite swear. I'm particularly struck by the Gosh Belt: 
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QuoProQuid posted:Not enough. 
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Powered Descent posted:Many other maps in the series: http://gawker.com/do-you-live-in-a-bitch-or-a-gently caress-state-american-cu-1718259899 human being is wayyyy more concentrated in the SW and Pacific coast than I would have thought 
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Jul 16, 2015 22:59
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Man the centre of the US really doesn't like to swear. "gently caress" is like this perfect ring around the coasts. Also bitch is really a south-west thing, crazy.
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sparatuvs posted:New England succeeded? It's from this alternate history tome. Basically New England seceded in the early 19th century and then the rest of the US turned into a horrible slaveholding dystopia. It's been a decade or so since I followed stuff like this but it was one of the more well regarded timelines if I remember correctly.
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LGD posted:human being is wayyyy more concentrated in the SW and Pacific coast than I would have thought I'm surprised the central valley isn't as bad as the further fringes of the state and inhospitable hellhole LA.
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Powered Descent posted:Many other maps in the series: http://gawker.com/do-you-live-in-a-bitch-or-a-gently caress-state-american-cu-1718259899 Utah is blue for essentially everything excep gosh and human being. 
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Kainser posted:It's from this alternate history tome. Basically New England seceded in the early 19th century and then the rest of the US turned into a horrible slaveholding dystopia. I feel like alternative history people are really big fans of horrible slaveholding dystopias for some reason
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icantfindaname posted:I feel like alternative history people are really big fans of horrible slaveholding dystopias for some reason It's the only major event that doesn't involve WW2 or nuclear war.
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I mean I guess. I can think of lots of pivotal historical and political moments to work with, maybe not quite as dramatic as the Civil War but still. The overweening focus on What If The South Won The Civil War doesn't really help my image of them as a bunch of autistic fascist nerdlords
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Jul 17, 2015 04:14
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Unless you think there's a lot of Nazi sympathizers out there, I don't see how making an alternate history means you support what takes place in it.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Unless you think there's a lot of Nazi sympathizers out there Oh you sweet, sweet child.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh you sweet, sweet child.
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One of  Slavoj Žižek's favorite canned topics is on the inherent conservatism of alt history.He goes into it in more long form elsewhere but here it is somewhat concisely: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n16/slavoj-zizek/lenin-shot-at-finland-station
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Lord Hydronium posted:You know what I mean. The most clichéd alternate history scenario by far is "Nazis win WWII". Most of these are not being written because everyone loves Nazis. But they actually are, at least on some level and to some degree. Lots of this sort of stuff does in fact have underlying themes of "black chattel slaves didn't necessarily have it so bad did they?" or whatever
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Powered Descent posted:Many other maps in the series: http://gawker.com/do-you-live-in-a-bitch-or-a-gently caress-state-american-cu-1718259899 Man does that negative correlation for Gosh in the southeast follow the old slave plantations or what
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Uncle Jam posted:Man does that negative correlation for Gosh in the southeast follow the old slave plantations or what Even clearer:  Something something ancient shoreline...
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Tree Goat posted:One of quote:Since the non-occurrence of the October Revolution is a favourite topic of ‘what if?’ historians... The basic thing is that easy what-ifs to think up are ones where a loser becomes a winner (or vice versa), and a lot of history's losers are bad dudes. Some of the uncomfortable works come out of someone doing what one those simple-what ifs and not realizing or not caring about what an awful little mirror universe they've created.
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Jul 17, 2015 05:19
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poo poo, bitch and drat have a heavy correlation.
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Powered Descent posted:Even clearer: The black belt is a lot farther south than where your supposed correlation is.
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icantfindaname posted:But they actually are, at least on some level and to some degree. Lots of this sort of stuff does in fact have underlying themes of "black chattel slaves didn't necessarily have it so bad did they?" or whatever AH.com, where the particular timeline mentioned above originated, also tends to be pretty left wing, and have kicked out authors (SM Sterling in particular) for being racist shits.
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Lord Hydronium posted:AH.com, where the particular timeline mentioned above originated, also tends to be pretty left wing, and have kicked out authors (SM Sterling in particular) for being racist shits. I ran like the dickens away from that site some years ago now, but iirc Sterling only got banned when he out and out advocated the death of all Muslims. Prior to that, everything was hunky-dory.
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SM Sterling is guy behind The Draka, a totally-not-racist 
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Do you guys mean SM Stirling, the guy who wrote the Dies The Fire books? I hate those books so much. He takes an interesting premise and absolutely ruins it with his tedious SCA/Wicca wank and terrible ripoffs from more talented artists. In the second or third book, he actually steals a scene from Oliver Stone's Alexander line for line. As an Oregon native, he also has little or no understanding of the region or the people living in it. Almost nothing he describes bears any resemblance to reality, except in the most cursory fashion. Edit: Also, here's the page where he got banned, for those curious. http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=63477&highlight=Filling+Stirling%27s+Pockets&page=6 TheBalor fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Ofaloaf posted:What? There's an uncomfortable amount of stuff out there about Nazis and Confederates, but I'm not aware of much alt history stuff that focuses on having no Russian Revolution. Maybe it's different in Eastern Europe.
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TheBalor posted:Do you guys mean SM Stirling, the guy who wrote the Dies The Fire books? He also wrote a one-off story about a British Raj that merges with Indian culture (a meteorite struck Europe in the 1870s and forced Europe's ruling classes to flee to the colonies) which is absurd enough that it's best taken as a flat-out comedy. The Russians decide that God hates them, so the Tsar embraces Satanism, and there's a South African plot to overthrow the British monarchy, since they've gotten too brown for the liking of Afrikaners. Ofaloaf fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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TheBalor posted:As an Oregon native, he also has little or no understanding of the region or the people living in it. Almost nothing he describes bears any resemblance to reality, except in the most cursory fashion. 
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icantfindaname posted:I mean I guess. I can think of lots of pivotal historical and political moments to work with, maybe not quite as dramatic as the Civil War but still. The overweening focus on What If The South Won The Civil War doesn't really help my image of them as a bunch of autistic fascist nerdlords I used to travel in these circles a little, and while you're largely correct, the author of this particular timeline was actually a rather nice, smart guy. As I recall he later wrote another (extremely well researched) timeline about an urban civilization developing in Australia due to the existence of some variation on an existing crop that allowed easy mass agriculture. I believe first contact involved an extremely deadly Australian plague making its way to Europe and killing off Cardinal Richelieu and most of the House of Hapsburg, among many others. It was a pretty good read, as I recall.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That's why it's called alternate history, dude. Ah, yes. Like Mt. Angel, the tall hill with a small group of chocolate-making monks and many fine roads up it. A few years after the apocalypse, it becomes an impenetrable mountain fortress full of warrior monks. This is my real problem with 99% of alt-history writers: they're loving hacks. They take a neat premise and rub their bad writing all over it. The only truly good work of alt-history I've read is Years of Rice and Salt.
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All alternate history is irredeemable garbage because no one who has ever written one has progressed beyond the most superficial understanding of what history is or why history matters.
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King Hong Kong posted:All alternate history is irredeemable garbage because no one who has ever written one has progressed beyond the most superficial understanding of what history is or why history matters. It's absolutely this, 98% of alt-history fiction is poo poo regardless of whether or not the author has Correct Opinions.
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Ofaloaf posted:What? There's an uncomfortable amount of stuff out there about Nazis and Confederates, but I'm not aware of much alt history stuff that focuses on having no Russian Revolution. I'm going out on a limb here and assume most books in the world have been written in languages you don't read.
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