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I mean, if bookRand wasn't from such a prudey area of the world he'd absolutely bone down with Selene, so the tv show being overall more pro-sex makes sense he'd shack up with the hottie throwing herself at him.
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Pleads posted:I mean, if bookRand wasn't from such a prudey area of the world he'd absolutely bone down with Selene, so the tv show being overall more pro-sex makes sense he'd shack up with the hottie throwing herself at him. To be fair, Jordan's idea that this small town would have good puritan small town values and all these 18-20 year old would be virgins who are waiting until marriage had everyone who actually lived in small town going "are you SURE about that?"
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finally watched eps 2 and 3, insane how good 3 was. love the accepted test and it’s everything I hoped it would be
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Sep 2, 2023 03:56
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*has sex* Try that in a small town
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pik_d posted:To be fair, Jordan's idea that this small town would have good puritan small town values and all these 18-20 year old would be virgins who are waiting until marriage had everyone who actually lived in small town going "are you SURE about that?" Data Graham posted:*has sex*
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Sep 2, 2023 04:26
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I just finished watching all three episodes, and I'm gonna echo the love for the added ambiguity to Liandrin's character. When she was (ep 3) sending Min off with Mat, my non book reading friends asked if she was a bad guy or just really bad at being a good guy. That said, she's absolutely still a darkfriend already. (ep 3 again) After Egwene confronted her and stormed off in the ring burning room, the look on Liandrin's face was very clearly the gears turning in her head on how she had been planning on bringing Nynaeve to the Seanchan but was in that moment switching to planning on bringing Egwene instead.
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Sep 2, 2023 04:40
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Am I the only one who was watching Mat take out bricks in the Tar Valon wall, with a candle in it to help him see and thought of him blowing up the wall in Tear? Yeah yeah I know I am
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Sep 2, 2023 05:06
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What if they combine Elaida and Liandrin and Liandrin is just a terrible good guy? She was getting poo poo on most of these episodes, with being blamed for Nynaeve 's death, and her son dying. Joiya showed up for a brief scene - the bald little blue sister - so maybe we'll see Liandrin get recruited when she's at a low point? Lan getting owned in a sword fight twice in the first three episodes made my husband ask "does he always suck this much?" Perrin is greatly improved but still mopey. Loial throwing dudes around was great. Ingtar, Mesema l, and Uno fight scene was the best so far. RIP Uno. Edit: I thought Elayne's uncanny knowledge of the white tower was hamfisted. She nailed the "I'm Elayne Trakand, daughter heir of Andor" line. BigHead fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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Sep 2, 2023 06:32
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Only on s2e2 but Elyas looks pretty much exactly how I pictured him.
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Sep 2, 2023 07:12
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Definitely looking up after last season, it had the unnecessary drama of the fake Nyneave death, but they at least drove a significant amount of story and character development through it. Surprisingly enjoying the remixed Rand plotline
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Sep 2, 2023 07:16
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Really like the gleeman’s coat in episode 3. Season 2 is a lot better than sone so far.
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Sep 2, 2023 08:53
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I mean the ship on Liandrin kind of sailed in the first episode where she made a weapon with the power and threatened Nynaeve with it.
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BigHead posted:What if they combine Elaida and Liandrin I'm just done trying to predict what is being changed. Everybody freaked out and thought Aludran was gonna be a gender-bent Aludra and turns out it's Liandrin's old rear end son 
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I thought the Darkfriend Social was done very well (and less dorkily than the book tbh—there's a reason it has that goof rear end name). Putting the POV at floor level via someone's kid so we see a bunch of icons and insignia—Seanchan fingernails, someone's AS ring, Shienaran emblem—but don't get to see who they actually are, accomplishes the same thing the text does but more naturally imo. Good use of the medium in adaptation.
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In my mind the DFsocial was a blank room full of hooded figures listening to a disembodied, incorporeal head like the Wizard of Oz 
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Hexel posted:In my mind the DFsocial was a blank room full of hooded figures listening to a disembodied, incorporeal head like the Wizard of Oz I'll accept this as long as Gilbert Gottfried reprised the role
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I really enjoyed the three episodes. I did have a good laugh as to how Selene was introduced. Everyone had speculated about how would Rand meet her, how big the warning signs would be, how far they would go, etc. And then the first time we see her, she is in his bed. As to Nynaeve's Acceptance test: They completely got me with the fake out for the third test. I thought that the test she couldn't remember would be some kind of mystery that would slowly become more clear, hinting and unraveling some major plot point - something like certain people being Darkfriends for example. DTurtle fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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Have to shamefully admit they got me on the accepted test too (as to the test not actually being over when she comes out of the gate all bloody, huge benefit of all the changes is that I actually have suspense as a book reader. Like, well it’s a big change to have Nynaeve leave the tower, but I could see it work as a way of driving conflict, giving her separate things to do, etc.. Then I saw the gate and loved it. Also, not going back to quote but lol at the person thinking it was ambiguous as to whether Selene was Lanfear. She literally tells the story about being in love a long time ago with a dude who left her and that boning Rand helps remind her of him!! Who else is it gonna be???
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Sep 2, 2023 13:58
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Pretty sure they switched Cairhein being ruled by Laman to being ruled by one of Moiraine’s sisters instead. Way more drama that way, and it’ll make it extra clear to book-readers about who she really is. They MAY also be setting her and Siuan up to be older in the show than they are in the books? Sheriam and Liandrin certainly seem to be.
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VanillaGorilla posted:I mean the ship on Liandrin kind of sailed in the first episode where she made a weapon with the power and threatened Nynaeve with it. None of which violates the oaths.
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buffalo all day posted:
right so think how funny it'd be if that's all to fake us out. is she even free yet? I think that "bloody awakening" is supposed to happen next episode, wonder when it actually happens chronologically, if it is indeed ol' Mierin
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VanillaGorilla posted:I mean the ship on Liandrin kind of sailed in the first episode where she made a weapon with the power and threatened Nynaeve with it. In book 2, the Amyrlin makes herself a blade of the One Power just like Liandrin did here. She didn’t threaten anyone with it, but mere creation does seem to be something the oaths allowed for. Or Siuan Sanche was also unbound by the time we meet her… 
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It could be cool to see her actually be recruited to the Black Ajah, turning her story line into a tragedy, but I don't think they're gonna fundamentally change her fate, whether she's already in, or we get shown her descent.
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Grundulum posted:In book 2, the Amyrlin makes herself a blade of the One Power just like Liandrin did here. She didn’t threaten anyone with it, but mere creation does seem to be something the oaths allowed for. Or Siuan Sanche was also unbound by the time we meet her… Yea, people think that the oaths have some kind of objective truth. When it's entirely up to what the aes sedai feels. They use the one power against novices all the time. But it's a teaching tool not a weapon!
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The second oath is to create no weapon with which one man may kill another, making a blade out of air that presumably dissipates as soon as one stops focusing on it doesn't violate that oath in any way in the show it's "one person" instead of being gendered which makes it a bit more cloudy but I still don't think Liandrin's display would violate the oath CainsDescendant fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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How would they be able to teach that weave (or other battle weaves) anyway, if they couldn't make it without it being in genuine defence of their life? Clearly they can demonstrate stuff.
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Brolander posted:right so think how funny it'd be if that's all to fake us out. is she even free yet? I think that "bloody awakening" is supposed to happen next episode, wonder when it actually happens chronologically, if it is indeed ol' Mierin if they found someone even more lanfear-ish than the lady they have playing Selene then people are going to start spontaneously combusting
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buffalo all day posted:if they found someone even more lanfear-ish than the lady they have playing Selene then people are going to start spontaneously degloving
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The second oath is “no creating weapons that can kill”, which I’ve always interpreted as a specific rule for no more Power-wrought blades. Or Shocklances, if they ever figured those out. So I guess an Aes Sedai could manually construct a battering ram, but not a catapult. Could an Aes Sedai create a Taser? The third oath is “no Power as a weapon”. Is cuffing someone on the ear with Air a weapon? Clearly not, from the books. What about slapping someone across the face with Air? I can’t remember if that ever happened. We know that intent matters, so I feel like an Aes Sedai creating a sword out of Air, or an arrow out of Air doesn’t violate the oaths if used as a teaching tool, or channeling practice, or just for target practice as a hobby. Or as a weapon to be wielded with the intent to kill under the listed exceptions from the third oath. It’s an interesting gray area. Someone should ask Sanderson about it. Anyways cheers to the writers for making Liandrin so sketchy and for keeping us book readers guessing.
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Okay well if the air blade doesn’t do it for you, then the part where she very clearly lied to Mat after reading the Bel Tine letter from Perrin should probably do it! Nynaeve’s reading of the letter in the scene previously directly references missing Mat, and then Liandrin, reading the same letter to Mat, claims directly that there’s been no mention of him in any of the letters they’ve received. Maybe there’s some real fuckery going on where she has an altered version of the letter but…it feels more like they’re dropping heavy hints that she doesn’t operate like a bound Sister. On that note I love that Rafe et al’ are kind of dealing with the biggest problem in the books - that all of these people that love and know each other basically don’t communicate with each other for plot convenience reasons (something that gets even dumber as the logistical barriers break down further into the series). Showing Perrin actually corresponding with Nynaeve and Egwene was really good. Hope we see more of that as the story moves along. Like a million conflicts on WoT get solved when one wool-headed shepherd writes a letter to his pals. VanillaGorilla fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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I mentioned that letter earlier, and the response was that Liandrin’s exact wording was “no mention of Mat Cauthon”. The letters all say “Mat”, you see, not “Mat Cauthon”. I find this argument unconvincing, but time will tell if Liandrin is already Black Ajah or if she was splitting hairs with the oaths.
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BigHead posted:Lan getting owned in a sword fight twice in the first three episodes made my husband ask "does he always suck this much?" I was disappointed about that as well. Come on Lan.
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buffalo all day posted:if they found someone even more lanfear-ish than the lady they have playing Selene then people are going to start spontaneously combusting Pleads posted:
lol I mean, it's her. But Rafe does seem to love the Jokester's Trick, and it makes for a fun viewing experience
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VanillaGorilla posted:Nynaeve’s reading of the letter in the scene previously directly references missing Mat, and then Liandrin, reading the same letter to Mat, claims directly that there’s been no mention of him in any of the letters they’ve received.
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Clever Moniker posted:The second oath is “no creating weapons that can kill” That is not the second oath. "To make no weapon with which one man may kill another". An air blade she is holding can not be used by another. Also she isn't a man. VanillaGorilla posted:Okay well if the air blade doesn’t do it for you, then the part where she very clearly lied to Mat after reading the Bel Tine letter from Perrin should probably do it! She did not lie to mat at all. "A dozen letters and not a single mention of Mat Calthoun" Well, if all the letters just say Mat then they're not mentioning Mat Calthoun are they? If each letter has at least one mention of Mat, then there are dozens of mentions of Mat, not a single one. She did not say "There has been no mention of him in any of the letters". Very clearly did not say that. I find it entertaining that this is all coming up, as we all know the oaths are pretty much bullshit. It even comes up in the books. People mistrust the oaths, or flat out don't believe they exist, because the Aes Sedai worked around them so much that they're effectively useless.
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efb but: Here's what Liandrin says:quote:Hmm. Now that must be painful, a dozen letters now, and not a single mention of Mat Cauthon. (The "they mention Mat, not specifically Mat Cauthon" is also a technical truth but not the one I went with when watching the scene , and she can use both to point out that she never lied.) It's classic Aes Sedai wordsmithing and she's definitely still Black unless they go for the tragic fall arc but that feels like a lot to cram to a season
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CainFortea posted:That is not the second oath. "To make no weapon with which one man may kill another". An air blade she is holding can not be used by another. Also she isn’t a man. You’re confusing Wheel of Time with Lord of the Rings here. The oath in the first season used the word “person”, not “man”. That loophole is closed.
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They could always give her Elaida's plot instead
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Grundulum posted:You’re confusing Wheel of Time with Lord of the Rings here. The oath in the first season used the word “person”, not “man”. That loophole is closed. I am not confusing the wheel of time with lord of the rings. The literal textual line is as i quoted it. On top of that, regardless of the genders involved, on both a physical level and a metaphysical level, she is not two different people. She is just the one person. Edit:  From Nyneave's accepted test in the book. CainFortea fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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CainFortea posted:That is not the second oath. "To make no weapon with which one man may kill another". An air blade she is holding can not be used by another. Also she isn't a man. Lol okay but now we’re getting into levels of three oaths wordsmithing and conspiracy drawing that make no sense from a narrative standpoint. Rafe and the writers would have to be going to an insane length to change a pretty central part of the early books for….I dunno, shock value? One that would probably just piss a lot of people off? I agree they’re trying to make it ambiguous for show watchers (and doing a good job), but it seems just as likely that they’re dropping clear winks for book readers who know what’s coming. Maybe it makes some sense to pull a swerve if they’re combining Liandrin and Elaida for the show but we have no real evidence that’s the case yet. And if you WERE going to do it I would probably have just named the character Elaida as she’s much more central to the overall narrative and it would help with the ambiguity because a lot of the audience knows that Liandrin is supposed to be a dark friend. Also Elaida probably has a bigger fan-base than Liandrin so cutting her seems dumb. VanillaGorilla fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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