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oystertoadfish posted:was there ever serious discussion of using a higher threshold than a simple majority, like 2/3rds or 60% or something? if they'd gotten their slight majority but not triggered any actual consequences i could imagine it being good for them, from the 'increasing racist turnout in the next election' perspective not sure they even used proper election media rules, the only people who had serious discussions about brexit were the Vote Leave lot talking about the most effective way to do crimes
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oystertoadfish posted:was there ever serious discussion of using a higher threshold than a simple majority, like 2/3rds or 60% or something? if they'd gotten their slight majority but not triggered any actual consequences i could imagine it being good for them, from the 'increasing racist turnout in the next election' perspective No, because Cameron is an idiot who never considered the possibility that Brexit could win a straight up or down vote.
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oystertoadfish posted:was there ever serious discussion of using a higher threshold than a simple majority, like 2/3rds or 60% or something? if they'd gotten their slight majority but not triggered any actual consequences i could imagine it being good for them, from the 'increasing racist turnout in the next election' perspective Compared to what? There was always going to have to be some sort of massive anti-racist propaganda campaign after x years of racist propaganda melted enough brains brexit became a popular idea. 2015 went to the tories, if they hadnt called a vote we'd all be cracking our knuckles ready to get stuck in en masse at the ge next year. Corbyn would be in but would have half the party control problems he does now and twice the time to push the economics. You could even be talking about democratic reform to make government more representational to avoid the usual groups being whipped up into calling for horrible nonsense referendums! I want that timeline back Surprise Giraffe has issued a correction as of 21:00 on Jan 13, 2019 |
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oystertoadfish posted:was there ever serious discussion of using a higher threshold than a simple majority, like 2/3rds or 60% or something? if they'd gotten their slight majority but not triggered any actual consequences i could imagine it being good for them, from the 'increasing racist turnout in the next election' perspective no because Cameron is a loving idiot
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Jan 13, 2019 21:00
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oystertoadfish posted:was there ever serious discussion of using a higher threshold than a simple majority, like 2/3rds or 60% or something? if they'd gotten their slight majority but not triggered any actual consequences i could imagine it being good for them, from the 'increasing racist turnout in the next election' perspective I'm pretty sure Farage (or maybe someone else on the leave side) suggested that if the result was close in favour of remain, then there should have been another referendum but my mind is fuzzy
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Compared to what? There was always going to have to be some sort of massive anti-racist propaganda campaign after x years of racist propaganda melted enough brains brexit became that popular. 2015 went to the tories, if they hadnt called a vote we'd all be cracking our knuckles ready to get stuck in en masse at the ge next year. Corbyn would be in but would have half the party control problems he does now and twice the time to push the economics. You could even be talking about democratic reform to make government more representational to avoid the usual groups being whipped up into calling for horrible nonsense referendums! I want that timeline back if there wasn't a giant national crisis we'd have had chicken coup reruns every single day since 2015 and Momentum wouldn't have been able to "womp womp" clips of david cameron together to make their point, he'd still be PM, and he was far more capable of looking competent against Corbyn than this mess 
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Jan 13, 2019 21:04
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Cameron called the referendum as a way to settle Tory party dissent on the EU, having Leave win by a small margin but not count because it was below a supermajority threshold would make his problem worse. The smart thing for him to do would be to not call the referendum.
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Jan 13, 2019 21:05
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Cameron called the referendum as a way to settle Tory party dissent on the EU, having Leave win by a small margin but not count because it was below a supermajority threshold would make his problem worse. The smart thing for him to do would be to not call the referendum. no Cameron called the referendum because UKIP was being given large media backing and the not-racist libertarians were always a much bigger threat to the tories than they were to Labour, no matter how much journalists insist on being wrong
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Jan 13, 2019 21:08
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:What part of the May deal do you think should be improved? I mean, I'm just trying to figure out what it is exactly that Britain wants from the transition deal and I'm running out of ways of how to phrase it. I don't give a poo poo what "Britain wants" because Britain seems to be largely populated by hyperventilating hams dreaming of nuclear war with the French, but the best type of Brexit deal (i.e. least damaging) is one that maintains the current trade and movement arrangement. May is ideologically incapable of achieving such a deal. She is also politically incapable of achieving it, having pissed away her majority in a snap election and needing to grant concessions to the DUP and extreme No Deal wing of her own party.
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oystertoadfish posted:was there ever serious discussion of using a higher threshold than a simple majority, like 2/3rds or 60% or something? if they'd gotten their slight majority but not triggered any actual consequences i could imagine it being good for them, from the 'increasing racist turnout in the next election' perspective lol they did that for Scottish devolution a few decades ago and it didn't go over well
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Jan 13, 2019 21:26
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I'm pretty sure Farage (or maybe someone else on the leave side) suggested that if the result was close in favour of remain, then there should have been another referendum but my mind is fuzzy yep, he specifically said 52/48 would be too close to settle the issue
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Jan 13, 2019 21:34
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i think im finally just beginning to 'get' brexit
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Jan 13, 2019 21:45
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oystertoadfish posted:i think im finally just beginning to 'get' brexit you're a step ahead of the government then
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the best brexit deal is termed 'norway' because it would be modeled on norway's arangement with the EU, which means access to the single market, freedom of movement and the right to participate (but not vote in) other EU projects, while being exempt from the majority of EU legislation. this is unthinkable to the tories because ending freedom of movement was the main motivation for Leave and because it wouldn't allow for the magical free trade deals leavers have been promising. a norway-type deal is the one most palatable to Labour; Corbyn and the leftier members might have some issues with a carbon copy of Norway's deal (far-left parties in Norway oppose EFTA membership) but they could probably work something out assuming they were open to free movement.
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Coohoolin posted:is one that maintains the current trade and movement arrangement. So it's not the content of the May deal that you have a problem with but the fact that she can't get it through parliament? Fallen Hamprince posted:the best brexit deal is termed 'norway' because it would be modeled on norway's arangement with the EU, which means access to the single market, freedom of movement and the right to participate (but not vote in) other EU projects, while being exempt from the majority of EU legislation. this is unthinkable to the tories because ending freedom of movement was the main motivation for Leave and because it wouldn't allow for the magical free trade deals leavers have been promising. a norway-type deal is see the one most palatable to Labour; Corbyn and the leftier members might have some issues with a carbon copy of Norway's deal (far-left parties in Norway oppose EFTA membership) but they could probably work something out assuming they were open to free movement. Norway being in the EEA is somewhat of a historical leftover and to get a deal like this today and for such a large country as Britain would be almost impossible without enormous leverage. The EU has been trying to get away from the piss deal it has with Switzerland for years now. IRC there will be a referendum on a new agreement they have been working on for years that's more favorable to the EU and if it doesn't go through in the referendum, they will get out the nutcracker and start poo poo with the Swiss
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:So it's not the content of the May deal that you have a problem with but the fact that she can't get it through parliament? The EU is having some serious troubles of its own, what with Italy, France, Germany and the Netherlands all having major exit movements, tensions between Italy and France due to the EU clamping down on Italy's deficit budget but allowing France to get away with one, Poland and Italy talking about a far-right axis within the EU and a potential Euroskeptic left wing axis if the UK elects a Corbyn government and they end up staying. The fact the EU does not appear to be really taking any of these seriously as existential threats to the union should maybe be a bit concerning if the EU is something you're a fan of.
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i like how all the racists are outing themselves and you like it. so you know, enjoy youre 547.2 billion dollar loss, and your credit ratings shot, because youre a buncha racist ashholes
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If UKIP wanted an EU refendum it should have had to win a general election and control parliament. All of these problems are David Cameron's fault, he is your worst PM and this is his brexit. In a sane world the brexit would never be mentioned without his name nor would his name ever be mentioned without the brexit.
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Ika posted:So the UK awarded a contract to a company without ships, to run a ferry service between two ports neither of which is capable of hosting ships, in order to show the EU that it is serious about no deal? It's continually amazing to me how world leaders are so dumb. Like they are all 1/1/1 at best apparently.
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MikeCrotch posted:The EU is having some serious troubles of its own, what with Italy, France, Germany and the Netherlands all having major exit movements, tensions between Italy and France due to the EU clamping down on Italy's deficit budget but allowing France to get away with one, Poland and Italy talking about a far-right axis within the EU and a potential Euroskeptic left wing axis if the UK elects a Corbyn government and they end up staying. I'm getting the impression that you're kind of the foggy brained guy in the thread.
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i cant make fun of a retarded country (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Moridin920 posted:It's continually amazing to me how world leaders are so dumb. Like they are all 1/1/1 at best apparently. The secret that the elites and the ultrawealthy don't want you to know is that most of them are as dumb as any rear end in a top hat you see clomping around on the street. You get the occasional outlier like Merkel who has at least a brawler's political instinct, but even then they tend to follow dumb ideas down a rabbit hole.
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red sampson posted:i cant make fun of a retarded country Cry, the retarded country (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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hakimashou posted:If UKIP wanted an EU refendum it should have had to win a general election and control parliament. The Tory problem with Europe existed long before Cameron stuck his dick in a dead pig's mouth
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Grape posted:I'm getting the impression that you're kind of the foggy brained guy in the thread. I mean i'm just not a particularly big fan of the EU for a bunch of reasons and don't think it can be reformed in the long run. Actually leaving is not going to solve the UK's immediate problems but neither do I think that remaining must be the number 1 priority above all else, especially if there isn't a plan to deal with austerity which is the reason for the leavers winning the first place
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twoday posted:https://twitter.com/dburns84uk/status/1084424261278855168?s=19 also its really lenient and nice. you count as an EU citizen during transition and even after when you're not you can apply to stay with the same rights as if you were in the EU its much nicer than our hostile environment, its actually pretty friendly lol
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when we do no deal within 5 years all the papers will be running the narrative that the EU forced us out
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prime minister jeremy corbyn hosed a dead pig
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MikeCrotch posted:I mean i'm just not a particularly big fan of the EU for a bunch of reasons and don't think it can be reformed in the long run. *British car hurtles down embankment toward sea cliff* Everyone: AGHHHHH, GRAB THE WHEEL, GRAB THE WHEEL You: Now let's think about this, weren't we trying to get off the road?
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Grape posted:*British car hurtles down embankment toward sea cliff* i agree no-deal brexit would be bad
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i say swears online posted:Cry, the retarded country lol
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Chris Grayling crouched over a sofa, desperately looking for ferries behind the cushions.
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MikeCrotch posted:Again, you're talking about a hard no-deal Brexit, which I agree is extremely bad. But I don't think what you're saying applies to every possible brexit. yeah uh it pretty much does, there is no brexit that doesn't involve massive economic turmoil and extreme disruptions to nhs. especially the latter, just hmbol if you think britain can somehow come out of leaving the eu without resembling american healthcare also there's less than 80 days left, is britain realistically going to hammer out some sort of agreement in the next 3 months that usually takes more like 3 years?
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so is that dude who was refusing to answer questions about the ferries going to face any repercussions whatsoever about that
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:also there's less than 80 days left, is britain realistically going to hammer out some sort of agreement in the next 3 months that usually takes more like 3 years? anything that gets agreed before the deadline will be an interim agreement like may's deal; the UK would continue to be in the european trade block for a set period of time while permanent agreements with the EU and other countries are made. the UK could also extend the deadline with the unanimous consent of the european council, per article 50
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30.5 Days posted:so is that dude who was refusing to answer questions about the ferries going to face any repercussions whatsoever about that haha e: it depends how senior he is, i didnt pay attention to who he was if hes below the dude who actually did the deal then he might
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