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Wifi Toilet
Oct 1, 2004

Toilet Rascal

Ak Gara posted:

My computer desk is wide enough for just 1 monitor but I want to use a second one for looking up reference material when I'm doing photo/design work.

I have a shelf about 37 inches above my computer desk, and I like the usability of those Vesa arms that clamp to desks and stuff. But do they work upside down?

If it doesn't, couldn't you just ctrl+alt+down arrow to flip your screen?

e: I'm dumb. I thought you were asking if it rotates 180, but the vesa mount is square so it doesn't need to rotate to mount a monitor upside-down. So you were probably just asking if the clamp would be secure if installed upside-down.

Wifi Toilet fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 6, 2018

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Avalanche
Feb 2, 2007

Parallelwoody posted:

The first dell alienware panel I got was busted too. They cross shipped me a replacement and it runs great.

UPS picked it up today for a full return/refund. Kinda glad I did that as I probably wouldn't of liked the replacement either. Also, rumor has it that the Asus 4k 144Hz HDR monitor is going to be released this Tuesday.

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU

Ak Gara posted:

My computer desk is wide enough for just 1 monitor but I want to use a second one for looking up reference material when I'm doing photo/design work.

I have a shelf about 37 inches above my computer desk, and I like the usability of those Vesa arms that clamp to desks and stuff. But do they work upside down?

The arms are typically designed to fight against gravity; upside-down may produce weird results. Or it may not! I'm not really sure, to be honest.

You could always give it a try; worst case, you could return it the same day you open it.

If you're more risk-averse, it looks like you can find some that are designed for ceiling-mount; those would probably behave as desired.

My only caution would be to make sure that the shelf you want to attach it to is secure, and isn't just sitting on some shelf pins, waiting to fall off and crush your face.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Ak Gara posted:

My computer desk is wide enough for just 1 monitor but I want to use a second one for looking up reference material when I'm doing photo/design work.

I have a shelf about 37 inches above my computer desk, and I like the usability of those Vesa arms that clamp to desks and stuff. But do they work upside down?

How about one of these instead?

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.

My center channel speaker is right above the first monitor unfortunately.

Zarin posted:

The arms are typically designed to fight against gravity; upside-down may produce weird results. Or it may not! I'm not really sure, to be honest.

You could always give it a try; worst case, you could return it the same day you open it.

If you're more risk-averse, it looks like you can find some that are designed for ceiling-mount; those would probably behave as desired.

My only caution would be to make sure that the shelf you want to attach it to is secure, and isn't just sitting on some shelf pins, waiting to fall off and crush your face.

Ceiling mount vesa arm? That's something I haven't looked for, thanks :)

[edit]
I could also get a triple monitor stand (non clamp sort) but those sound like it wouldn't be very stable
https://www.amazon.co.uk/VonHaus-Monitor-Ergonomic-Rotation-Dimensions/dp/B01C5Z9R6A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8

Ak Gara fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 6, 2018

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Alienware AW2518H 240-Hz G-Sync monitor is on sale for $350

TN, 1080p, but not a bad price for a G Sync:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienw....P5Jx1N0Zv_Dpqg

Mr. Clark2
Sep 17, 2003

Rocco sez: Oh man, what a bummer. Woof.

I'm looking for a larger monitor and saw that woot.com has this 31 inch Dell on sale today: https://www.woot.com/offers/dell-31-5-full-hd-ips-monitor-with-hdmi-4?ref=w_cnt_gw_dly_wobtn

I would be using this for mainly web/email type stuff and some gaming (Ghost Recon: Wildlands mainly). Will this monitor be OK for those usages? I'm a bit concerned about the 1080 resolution on a monitor of this size, but I figured for $149 it might be worth the risk. Looking for some input before I pull the trigger. Thanks.

Mr. Clark2 fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 8, 2018

wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor

Mr. Clark2 posted:

I'm looking for a larger monitor and saw that woot.com has this 31 inch Dell on sale today: https://www.woot.com/offers/dell-31-5-full-hd-ips-monitor-with-hdmi-4?ref=w_cnt_gw_dly_wobtn

I would be using this for mainly web/email type stuff and some gaming (Ghost Recon: Wildlands mainly). Will this monitor be OK for those usages? I'm a bit concerned about the 1080 resolution on a monitor of this size, but I figured for $149 it might be worth the risk. Looking for some input before I pull the trigger. Thanks.

very very low dpi, a 27 inch 1080 is basically the lowest dpi you want to go, at 31 its even lower. also as an ultra wide fan

https://slickdeals.net/f/11567151-lg-29um68-p-29-21-9-ultrawide-freesync-ips-monitor-179-99-ac-free-shipping

wargames fucked around with this message at 19:54 on May 8, 2018

insidius
Jul 21, 2009

What a guy!
I bought the Samsung CHG90 and its honestly not terrible.

I thought coming from a decade of high resolution monitors that I would be unable to make the transition. However it has blown me away for gaming and even productivity as I just sit a little further back from it.

The thing wraps around me and is amazing. I might mount my PG348Q above it.

I mean I got a significant discount and would not have bought it otherwise but for what I paid, I am in live.

Also the best part? No more goddamn IPS glow or dodgy light bleed destroying my experience. Blacks are far more black, contrasting image scenes have a lot more punch etc.

On the downside there is some black trails in the blackest of blacks in the rarest of circumstances but I think I am just too old to care anymore especially with the reduction in glow and black light bleed.

Mr. Clark2
Sep 17, 2003

Rocco sez: Oh man, what a bummer. Woof.

wargames posted:

very very low dpi, a 27 inch 1080 is basically the lowest dpi you want to go, at 31 its even lower. also as an ultra wide fan

https://slickdeals.net/f/11567151-lg-29um68-p-29-21-9-ultrawide-freesync-ips-monitor-179-99-ac-free-shipping

Thanks, looks like you saved me 150 bones.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Here's some more of those $83 24" FHD IPS monitors I mentioned.

Edit: This 23" Dell is a better option than the below due to the inclusion of HDMI.

If those sell out and someone's still looking for something cheap & decent around that size and price, here's a similar 23" FHD IPS for $88, although unfortunately it's only got DVI & VGA (?!?)

Atomizer fucked around with this message at 08:41 on May 9, 2018

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Has anyone used a 43" 4K monitor with flanking (one or two) 27" 1440p monitors in portrait?

I have a 4x27" setup right now, but I can't really say I'm using the left monitor fully (discord on half the screen, sometimes other things), and the top monitor is mostly being used for misc useless poo poo (spotify, teamspeak etc), so I was thinking about consolidating down to 43"+27"(x2) with all the useless poo poo on the left. Right side monitor is mostly for jabber/IRC/various IM poo poo.

Someone tell me this is a bad idea before I blow a big wad on a new dell 43" :sun:

E: for context, here's a suitably pixelated screenshot :v:

Wibla fucked around with this message at 21:42 on May 10, 2018

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Disregard - misread an announcement.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Wibla posted:

Has anyone used a 43" 4K monitor with flanking (one or two) 27" 1440p monitors in portrait?

I have a 4x27" setup right now, but I can't really say I'm using the left monitor fully (discord on half the screen, sometimes other things), and the top monitor is mostly being used for misc useless poo poo (spotify, teamspeak etc), so I was thinking about consolidating down to 43"+27"(x2) with all the useless poo poo on the left. Right side monitor is mostly for jabber/IRC/various IM poo poo.

Someone tell me this is a bad idea before I blow a big wad on a new dell 43" :sun:

E: for context, here's a suitably pixelated screenshot :v:





turn on ur monitor

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


Statutory Ape posted:



turn on ur monitor

that's where the porn goes

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Wibla posted:

Has anyone used a 43" 4K monitor with flanking (one or two) 27" 1440p monitors in portrait?

I have a 4x27" setup right now, but I can't really say I'm using the left monitor fully (discord on half the screen, sometimes other things), and the top monitor is mostly being used for misc useless poo poo (spotify, teamspeak etc), so I was thinking about consolidating down to 43"+27"(x2) with all the useless poo poo on the left. Right side monitor is mostly for jabber/IRC/various IM poo poo.

Someone tell me this is a bad idea before I blow a big wad on a new dell 43" :sun:

E: for context, here's a suitably pixelated screenshot :v:



I used to have a 2x2 setup (22" and 24" panels) and eventually replaced two with an ultrawide, and now the other two smaller panels with a 28" UHD. I can fit all of my miscellaneous windows and such on the UHD and do everything I used to do on just these two displays (i.e. gaming or browsing on the main and everything else on the UHD.) As long as you don't use the Windows display scaling (which will make everything larger on that display, which may be necessary depending on your eyesight and/or the distance to the monitor) I think you can easily make a single UHD display work (and it doesn't even have to be a 43" one.)

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Atomizer posted:

I used to have a 2x2 setup (22" and 24" panels) and eventually replaced two with an ultrawide, and now the other two smaller panels with a 28" UHD. I can fit all of my miscellaneous windows and such on the UHD and do everything I used to do on just these two displays (i.e. gaming or browsing on the main and everything else on the UHD.) As long as you don't use the Windows display scaling (which will make everything larger on that display, which may be necessary depending on your eyesight and/or the distance to the monitor) I think you can easily make a single UHD display work (and it doesn't even have to be a 43" one.)

I test-drove a 43" last weekend at work, and it was near perfect for me, don't think I'd deal well with a 28" UHD screen, as I have 27" 1440p monitors today that are just about perfect DPI for my use (and eyesight :v: )

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Wibla posted:

I test-drove a 43" last weekend at work, and it was near perfect for me, don't think I'd deal well with a 28" UHD screen, as I have 27" 1440p monitors today that are just about perfect DPI for my use (and eyesight :v: )

It depends on the distance to the display, though; my 28" is about 18" away, so a 43" wouldn't work at that distance, but of course your setup will be different.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Ugh, just checked out my dad's new 4K display, so now I want some, too. But since I'm also using 144hz panels right now, I kinda want to remain on that too. So I was getting hyped up on the Predator X27, until I found out the price of it. :suicide:

Hope there's gonna be decent 4K/144 displays without HDR and a better price.

OtherworldlyInvader
Feb 10, 2005

The X-COM project did not deliver the universe's ultimate cup of coffee. You have failed to save the Earth.


I haven't paid attention to monitors in a long time, but I'd like to upgrade my HP LP2475w for more screen real-estate, I think to a 27" 1440p IPS screen maybe with a smaller matching 1080p display in portrait mode for discord/irc and reference pics/docs. I'd use it for a combination of games and amateur digital art stuff. I don't know what the price premium on high refresh rates are. I can live with 60hz if it saves me money, I don't have the GPU power (GTX 760) to drive huge resolutions/framerates until a future upgrade anyway.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
Got my AW3418DW the other day. gently caress this thing is bright in stock config, I dropped it to 37% following TFTCentral's recommendations (and using their ICC profile) and it's no longer searing my eyeballs.

I can't tell the difference between this one's 120Hz and my previous monitor's 144Hz in old games that my 970s can max out with, but I can definitely see the effects of G-Sync on the majority of newer titles where my old GPUs are struggling.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Lenovo has a 27" 1440p IPS no-frills monitor they typically sell for ~$199-229. At the mid-range, Newegg has the 24" 1440p G-SYNC Dell for $329 after a promo code at the moment.

I think the Lenovo also has Displayport connectors, too. Not that it matters, but I prefer DP cables to HDMI as they seem to be "hardier" and less prone to failure.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:23 on May 12, 2018

Parallelwoody
Apr 10, 2008


Wondering if someone can help me out here. I have the AW3418DW and for several months, no screen tearing. I have g-sync enabled and all that, but now I'm starting to notice it in different games. I have a 970 and some of these games are older with the settings dropped. Anyone have an idea about how to determine the problem? The googling I've done said to change a few settings in the nvidia control panel, which didn't help.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Parallelwoody posted:

Wondering if someone can help me out here. I have the AW3418DW and for several months, no screen tearing. I have g-sync enabled and all that, but now I'm starting to notice it in different games. I have a 970 and some of these games are older with the settings dropped. Anyone have an idea about how to determine the problem? The googling I've done said to change a few settings in the nvidia control panel, which didn't help.

"Older games" sounds like you might be exceeding the max sync range of GSync. It can't help if you are running faster than the monitor can refresh. Enable Vsync mode (keep GSync enabled) and it will limit the framerate to the max that your monitor can run.

You may also want to make sure that Borderless Windowed GSync mode is enabled.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Paul MaudDib posted:

"Older games" sounds like you might be exceeding the max sync range of GSync. It can't help if you are running faster than the monitor can refresh. Enable Vsync mode (keep GSync enabled) and it will limit the framerate to the max that your monitor can run.

You may also want to make sure that Borderless Windowed GSync mode is enabled.

It sounds like this is the issue; with G-Sync, you're also supposed to have V-Sync enabled:

quote:

However, with G-SYNC enabled, the “Vertical sync” option in the control panel no longer acts as V-SYNC, and actually dictates whether, one, the G-SYNC module compensates for frametime variances output by the system (which prevents tearing at all times. G-SYNC + V-SYNC “Off” disables this behavior; see G-SYNC 101: Range), and two, whether G-SYNC falls back on fixed refresh rate V-SYNC behavior; if V-SYNC is “On,” G-SYNC will revert to V-SYNC behavior above its range, if V-SYNC is “Off,” G-SYNC will disable above its range, and tearing will begin display wide.

Constipated
Nov 25, 2009

Gotta make that money man its still the same now
So my cheap 8 year old vga acer monitor randomly stopped working today. When i turn the power on it displays the logo, but goes to no connection detected. Checked every cable connection and unplugged/replugged/restarted everything. Little googling suggests a lamp could be out, sound about right?

It's plugged into a hdmi converter, andI don't have another monitor I could swap it with. Thinking about going to best buy and getting something nice in the morning, thought I'd drop in and get some opinions first though. TIA!

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Constipated posted:

So my cheap 8 year old vga acer monitor randomly stopped working today. When i turn the power on it displays the logo, but goes to no connection detected. Checked every cable connection and unplugged/replugged/restarted everything. Little googling suggests a lamp could be out, sound about right?

It's plugged into a hdmi converter, andI don't have another monitor I could swap it with. Thinking about going to best buy and getting something nice in the morning, thought I'd drop in and get some opinions first though. TIA!

If you can see the logo when you turn it on then the backlights/lamps are probably okay. I'd guess it's either something internal or a problem with your hdmi converter. You should be able to get a decent 22-24" IPS monitor for around $100-120.

Avalanche
Feb 2, 2007


http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/39.htm#panels_auo

quote:

AU Optronics Panel Development Update May 2018
May 13th 2018



We have some updates from AU Optronics about their panel development plans over the coming year or so. AU Optronics are one of the largest panel manufacturers in the market, and produce various panel technologies including their IPS-type AHVA technology, VA-type AMVA and TN Film variants. Looking ahead at their panel production plans gives a nice indication of where monitors are likely to go in the future by looking ahead at the panel production plans. Please keep in mind that the production dates are not set in stone and may change, and there is then also a lag of several months before a panel is used in a display and launched to market. We have updated our panel parts database with all the new information we have as well.

High refresh rate 240Hz TN Film panels for pro gaming with higher resolutions

AU Optronics already develop several TN Film gaming panels with a native 240Hz refresh rate, available in 24.5" and 27" sizes and used in various monitors already. These panels have been limited so far to 1920 x 1080 resolution at 240Hz, but AUO now have plans to extend that in the future. Of most interest is a planned new 27" TN Film panel with the same 240Hz refresh rate, but with a QHD 2560 x 1440 resolution. This panel is expected to go in to production in July 2018 and will also offer a 3ms response time (ISO figure without overdrive, down from the typical 5ms limit for TN Film), 400 cd/m2 brightness and even an extended gamut offering 90% DCI-P3 coverage. That 3ms response time spec is AUO pushing the overall responsiveness of the panel, and they rate that as being able to offer <1ms G2G response times with overdrive used, and in fact their target is achieving 0.5ms.

Updates to the already available 24.5" and 27" panels are also planned, pushing the response time performance a little bit and offering the new 3ms ISO response time spec. Those panels are sticking with largely the same spec as before including the FHD 1920 x 1080 resolution, 400 cd/m2 brightness and sRGB gamut. The 24.5" update is planed for August 2018 production, while the 27" update is planned for Q4 2018 some time.

Higher refresh rate for IPS-type panels with Ultra HD resolution

No doubt you're all familiar with the very eagerly anticipated 27" Ultra HD, 144Hz, IPS-type, HDR panel from AUO that will be featured in forthcoming monitors like the Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ and Acer Predator X27. The latest info we have from AUO confirms that this panel should not be in mass production which is good news. Release of the monitors could still be a couple of months away though but positive that panel production is now ongoing. AUO also plan to release a non-HDR version of a similar panel with mass production planned for June 2018. That alternative option would offer an Ultra HD 3840 x 2160 resolution AHVA IPS-type panel, 144Hz refresh rate, 90% DCI-P3 coverage and 400 cd/m2 brightness. Without the HDR FALD backlight, that will hopefully significantly bring the retail cost of monitors down. There's been a lot of complaints about the expected very high retail price of the Asus/Acer monitors mentioned above, but that is largely due to the FALD HDR backlight production. If you just want an Ultra HD 144Hz IPS gaming panel without the added HDR capability, this forthcoming panel option might present some good, lower cost choices when it is used.



Large format VA panels in 35", 43" and 65" sizes with high refresh rate

We have known about the 35" VA offering from AUO for some time now. This will be the panel to feature in exciting HDR models like the Asus ROG Swift PG35VQ and Acer Predator X35. It will feature a 3440 x 1440 curved panel with a 512-zone FALD HDR backlight. Spec wise the panel will support 200Hz refresh rate, 90% DCI-P3 coverage and 600 cd/m2 brightness (1000 cd/m2 peak brightness for HDR). The update from AUO is that mass production of this panel is due now in July 2018 so don't expect to see any of these monitors until probably Q3.

Of other interest are some planned new 43" sized panels based on VA technology. This will be a new panel sector for AUO as sizes for gaming displays start to grow and grow. There are two 43" panels planned with very similar specs. Both offer Ultra HD 3840 x 2160 resolution, are a flat format instead of curved, have 400 cd/m2 brightness and 90% DCI-P3 colour gamut. There is a 60Hz version planned as well as a 144Hz version. Both are expected to go in to production around August 2018.

Finally is a very large format 65" VA panel in a flat format and looks very interesting from a spec point of view. This panel is expected to go in to production in September 2018 and will have a 3840 x 2160 Ultra HD resolution, 144Hz refresh rate, 700 cd/m2 brightness, 1000 cd/m2 peak brightness for HDR and 95% DCI-P3 colour gamut. It will have a 384 zone FALD backlight to support HDR content.


Development of professional panels and extending colour spaces

There's a general push to increase the colour space offered from the professional-range panels over the next few years from AUO. They hope to offer 99% Adobe RGB and 90% DCI-P3 colour space from their panels in 2018, pushing this to 99% DCI-P3 next year in 2019 and then even further towards a 90% Rec.2020 coverage by 2020. There are already some 27" and 32" panels in mass production for professional uses, and these are based on AHVA (IPS-type) technology, offering 3840 x 2160 resolution, 60Hz refresh rate, 99% Adobe RGB gamut and 8-bit+FRC colour depth. An updated 32" panel is planned for around January 2019 production which will offer similar space, but push 90% DCI-P3 coverage and offer VESA HDR 600 support.


Mini LED development for improvements in HDR beyond FALD backlights

There are also plans to develop further HDR-capable panels with a new "mini LED" technology that will offer improvements in HDR local dimming capability over current Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) backlights. Mini LED offers much smaller chip sizes than normal LED and so can allow AUO to offer far more local dimming zones than even the current/planned FALD backlights that we've seen so far. Those FALD backlights have been limited to around 384 dimming zones on already announced 27" and 32" sized panels that are in production, certainly offering improvements in dimming capability compared with say, edge-lit panels. The new mini LED backlight systems will support more than 1000 zones on a planned 32" panel, that's expected to go in to production in Q1 2019. They are a long way away, and that date could well slip, but it's interesting to see what's coming around the corner with mini LED backlights. Considering the production cost of Mini LED is still relatively high, AUO will first launch the Mini LED-lit gaming monitor, according to Michael Tsai, President and Chief Operating Officer at AUO. The company expects customers in the gaming monitor segment to have a higher price tolerance it is said from recent press releases. In the future, expect to see even smaller "micro LED" production to offer even more zones and direct backlighting for HDR displays. There are no dates or expectations from AUO on the use of micro LED yet though.


The planned 32" panel with mini LED will be an AHVA (IPS-type) technology panel and will offer an Ultra HD 3840 x 2160 resolution, 600 cd/m2 brightness (1000 cd/m2 peak), 10-bit colour depth, 99% Adobe RGB gamut and will have two refresh rate options - a 60Hz version and even a planned 144Hz version (with 8-bit colour depth on the 144Hz option we believe).

quote:

LG.Display Panel Development Update May 2018
May 13th 2018



We have some updates from LG.Display about their panel development plans which is always interesting to see. This is LG.Display as a panel manufacturer, as opposed to LG the monitor/display manufacturer, but it gives an indication of where monitors are likely to go in the future by looking ahead at the panel production plans. LG.Display make a large portion of the IPS-type panels in the market which is always of interest. Please keep in mind that the production dates are not set in stone and may change, and there is then also a lag of several months before a panel is used in a display and launched to market. We have updated our panel parts database with all the new information we have as well.

Investment in HDR support to comply with VESA HDR standards

HDR is obviously a very popular topic right now in the monitor space and it's clearly a big focus from panel manufacturers and monitor vendors alike. We've seen recently the new VESA HDR standards introduced to try and provide some kind of certification for desktop monitors, and a continued investment in pushing new options to deliver HDR performance for users in various situations, whether that's gaming, movies or content creation. Read our detailed HDR article for a lot more information.

In the 31.5" space LG.Display already have the LM315WR1 IPS technology panel available, featuring a 3840 x 2160 resolution, 1300:1 contrast ratio, 350 cd/m2 brightness and sRGB gamut. There is also an option available currently for this panel to offer a level of HDR support. There is a version with an edge-lit local dimming backlight, peak 550 cd/m2 brightness (350 cd/m2 typical for SDR) and 95% DCI-P3 gamut. There is also a slightly updated version planned for production around June 2018 which will offer VESA HDR 400 compliance, boosting the typical brightness offered from 350 to 400 cd/m2. The other HDR specs remain the same as the existing version.

Beyond this, LG.Display are also planning to launch the 31.5" LM315WR2 IPS panel, with production started in April 2018. This will offer VESA HDR 600 support instead, with a 3840 x 2160 resolution, 450 cd/m2 brightness (750 cd/m2 peak brightness), 1300:1 contrast ratio, 98% DCI-P3 gamut.

In the smaller 27" space the forthcoming LM270WR7 IPS panel will offer a 3840 x 2160 resolution and support for VESA HDR 600. This includes a 450 cd/m2 brightness (750 cd/m2 peak brightness), 1300:1 contrast ratio, 98% DCI-P3 gamut. This 27" panel is not expected to go in to production until Q1 2019 though.

A new 34" IPS panel, the LM340RW1 is also planned for production in May 2018 with VESA HDR 600 support. This panel offers a high 5120 x 2160 resolution, 450 cd/m2 brightness (750 cd/m2 peak) and 98% DCI-P3 coverage.


IPS Nano technology to boost colour gamut

Linked to the drive for HDR panels is the new "IPS Nano" technology from LG.Display. According to the early LG.Display press material: "Nano IPS technology involves the application of nanometer-sized particles to the screen’s LED to absorb excess light wavelengths. This greatly enhances the intensity and purity of on-screen colours for a more accurate and life-like viewing experience." This is an equivalent solution to competitor Quantum Dot solutions. QD typically involves applying a coating to the panel to enhance the colour gamut. This Nano IPS solution instead enhances the backlight to boost that colour space. This is also referred to as "KSF LED" where KSF is the chemical compound used to treat the backlight and extend the colour space.

LG.Display talk in their recent material about how Nano IPS panels will offer 98% DCI-P3 coverage which is a little more than common competing 95% coverage of Quantum Dot solutions. This corresponds to 135% sRGB instead of 125%. Look out for various screens emerging with Nano IPS promoted as a feature and the corresponding wider DCI-P3 colour gamut coverage.

Quite a few of the panels mentioned in this news piece will feature the Nano IPS panels with 98% DCI-P3 coverage. Look out for where the 98% DCI-P3 coverage is mentioned. This includes panels in sizes of 31.5" with 3840 x 2160 resolution (production April 2018), 34" (3440 x 1440 in May and 5120 x 2160 in June 2018) early this year. There will be followed by additional 27" and 31.5" (both with 2560 x 1440 res) sized panels in December 2018. There is also a 37.5" panel with 3840 x 1600 res planned for March 2018.

The next step for colour space development beyond this will be a 20" panel capable of offering wide BT.2020 colour gamut, thanks to the use of a new "CF and LED" solution. That panel is not expected until 2019 sometime.


Pushing higher refresh rates and lower response times for gaming IPS panels

For gaming there are some exciting developments as well for high refresh rate IPS panels. The 31.5" LM315WQ1 is expected to go in to production in December 2018 and will offer a 2560 x 1440 resolution with 165Hz refresh rate. This panel also offers a 1000:1 contrast ratio, 350 cd/m2 brightness and 98% DCi-P3 gamut thanks to the Nano IPS panel.

In the 27" space is the forthcoming LM270WQA panel, with a 2560 x 1440 resolution and 165Hz refresh rate. This also offers a 1000:1 contrast ratio, 350 cd/m2 brightness, sRGB gamut. It's not expected to go in to production until December 2018.

In the 34" ultrawide space there is already a 3440 x 1440 resolution @ 100Hz IPS LM340UW4 panel available and used in some displays. There are plans to produce the LM340UW5 from May 2018 which will offer the same resolution but a boosted 144Hz refresh rate. This will be combined with NVIDIA G-sync and also VESA HDR 400 support. This will then offer a 1900R curvature, 400 cd/m2 brightness (550 cd/m2 peak), 1000:1 contrast ratio and 98% DCI-P3 coverage.

There is also talk from LG.Display about improvements in their IPS response times, reportedly trying to improve on the current 5ms G2G, pushing down down to 1ms G2G with higher levels of overdrive. It remains to be seen how successful this is in practice, and how much overshoot gets introduced but an investment in driving response times to accommodate higher refresh rates properly is certainly welcome.


Developing more ultrawide options

There's also a push to develop more ultrawide format screens, in sizes from 34" all the way up to 49" - to rival what Samsung are also currently doing with their VA panels. At the largest end is the LM490DQ1 49" IPS panel. This is a 32:9 aspect ratio and will offer a very high 5120 x 1440 resolution (DQHD) along with a 3800R curvature, 1000:1 contrast ratio, sRGB gamut and 350 cd/m2 brightness. This is due to go in to production around September 2018.


HDR, High Refresh IPS and Ultrawide combined

In the 37.5" space there's already an existing LM375QW1 option from LG.Display with a 3840 x 1600 resolution and 60Hz refresh rate (often overclocked to 75Hz). In Q1 2019 (March current ETA) there are plans to release a new LM375QW2 which will offer the same resolution but a higher 144Hz refresh rate. This panel will also be VESA HDR 1000 compliant, with a 2300R curvature, 98% DCI-P3 gamut, 5ms response time and 4-side borderless design. It's not specified how the VESA HDR 1000 is achieved but we would expect some kind of FALD backlight to achieve those kind of specs.

There are also plans for a 34" ultrawide with 3440 x 1440 resolution, HDR 400 compliance, 144Hz refresh rate and a 1900R curvature. Planned for production from May 2018.


Crystal Sound Display to improve audio from gaming panels

This is an interesting one, but LG.Display also talk about how currently users buy separate speakers because built in monitor speakers are generally fairly poor quality. Their new Crystal Sound Display (CSD) technology will offer front-firing sound through the full screen area, seemingly building the sound output in to / behind the panel itself. It's an interesting concept. The first offering will be a 34" ultrawide panel for gaming, offering a 3440 x 1440 resolution, 3-side borderless design and thin profile. Specs for the CSD include 200 - 20,000Hz frequency and "75dB sound pressure @ 50cm" as they have it labelled. Production of this new CSD enabled panel is expected Q4 2018 at the moment.


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Samsung Panel Development Update May 2018
May 13th 2018



We have some updates from Samsung about their panel development plans which is always interesting to see. This is about Samsung as a panel manufacturer, as opposed to Samsung as a monitor manufacturer but it gives an indication of where monitors are likely to go in the future. Samsung are primarily focused on their VA-type technology (SVA) and TN Film. Please keep in mind that the production dates are not set in stone and may change, and there is then also a lag of several months before a panel is used in a display and launched to market. We have updated our panel parts database with all the new information we have as well.

Samsung invest in ultrawide format, extended colour space and higher refresh rates

Samsung are focusing their development on three key areas: Ultrawide format displays are becoming increasingly popular and they will continue to invest in not only the more common 16:9 and 21:9 format, but also in 18.5:9 and 32:9 aspect ratio displays. This will be coupled with a push towards more curved panels and typical sizes will be 34", 43.4" and 49". Secondly through the use of Quantum Dot technology they plan to boost the colour gamut of their panels beyond typical sRGB and towards higher DCI-P3 coverage. Thirdly, for gaming applications there is a push to provide more high refresh rate panels of 100Hz and higher.

Of particular interest is a new 49" sized VA panel scheduled for production around September 2018. Samsung already have a 49" VA panel available which boasts a 3840 x 1080 resolution (DFHD = dual full HD resolution) and 144Hz refresh rate. The new panel will offer a higher 5120 x 1440 resolution (DQHD = Dual quad HD resolution) and will have the same 3-side frameless design, 1800R curvature and support for 120Hz refresh rate. Slightly lower refresh rate but a much higher resolution.

Their 43.4" segment will also feature a new VA panel that'd due to go in to production around the same time in September 2018. This will offer a 3840 x 1200 resolution (DWUXGA), have a 3-side frameless design, 1800R curvature and support 144Hz refresh rate.

In the 34" space there is already a widely used 3440 x 1440 @ 100Hz VA panel available, featured in several monitors already. Samsung plan to offer a 144Hz refresh rate version of this panel later on, with production planned for Q3 2018 at the moment.

Around July 2018 Samsung will also start to produce a 31.5" curved VA panel with 3840 x 2160 Ultra HD resolution. This panel will offer a 3000:1 contrast ratio, sRGB colour space and 120Hz refresh rate.

Avalanche fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 14, 2018

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness
Eagerly awaiting 200Hz VA panels that still manage to ghost, and super-wide color gamuts that Windows doesn't deal with properly and ends up with games looking like you ate the wrong mushrooms.

Still, 3440x1440@144Hz w/HDR sounds pretty fuckin' sweet.

insidius
Jul 21, 2009

What a guy!

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This is a 32:9 aspect ratio and will offer a very high 5120 x 1440 resolution (DQHD) along with a 3800R curvature, 1000:1 contrast ratio, sRGB gamut and 350 cd/m2 brightness. This is due to go in to production around September 2018.

1000:1 and guaranteed IPS glow out the wazoo. So close, yet so far. Pass.

Fuzzie Dunlop
Apr 14, 2013
What are folks thoughts on the Dell 2518D ? It looks like if I buy them sequentially and use the $150 coupon I can get them for $225 each, which is about what I'm looking to spend. I was hoping to get two good 24" displays with thin bezels for about that price, so the extra inch seems like a nice bonus. Any reason to avoid these? Odd that there's no reviews on Dell.com. I'm looking for non-AAA gaming, Civ, Cities Skylines, Truck Sim, and some work stuff, looking at multiple word documents at once.

Edit: Nevermind. After more research the few reviews I did find had massive back light issues etc so will end up going with the 24"s.

Fuzzie Dunlop fucked around with this message at 17:53 on May 15, 2018

Avalanche
Feb 2, 2007
More Asus PG27UQ/4k/HDR/144Hz news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYPtBvE_9Q


Sorry for all the posts, but this is like the first semi significant advancement in monitor tech in the past 3-4 years.

OtherworldlyInvader
Feb 10, 2005

The X-COM project did not deliver the universe's ultimate cup of coffee. You have failed to save the Earth.


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Lenovo has a 27" 1440p IPS no-frills monitor they typically sell for ~$199-229. At the mid-range, Newegg has the 24" 1440p G-SYNC Dell for $329 after a promo code at the moment.

I think the Lenovo also has Displayport connectors, too. Not that it matters, but I prefer DP cables to HDMI as they seem to be "hardier" and less prone to failure.

What exactly justifies the massive price difference between the 2? Is that all the G-SYNC licensing + extras?

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

OtherworldlyInvader posted:

What exactly justifies the massive price difference between the 2? Is that all the G-SYNC licensing + extras?

Well, the Lenovo is 60Hz & IPS, the Dell one with G-sync is a 144Hz TN panel plus the G-sync module(~$80) and licensing. I'm thinking a lot of the difference is Gsync but Dell also uses the best TN panels around so that is definitely costing them extra compared to the cheaper TN panels most other manufacturers are using, I have no idea on what that cost amounts to though.

BallerBallerDillz
Jun 11, 2009

Cock, Rules, Everything, Around, Me
Scratchmo
Does anyone use a portable monitor with their laptop? I'm considering getting this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071S84ZW7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_z4V.AbGGJ7GPC but wanted to see if there was something better out there or if there's some red flag in that listing that I'm not seeing.

ShinobiTycho
Jun 27, 2002
I've had this lovely 23" LG monitor for years and the fact that it wobbles slightly whenever I type anything has finally driven me insane (or fed up enough to buy another monitor anyways). If anyone can give me a recommendation on a monitor with a good, solid feeling, adjustable stand my sanity will appreciate you forever. I don't want to go down in size so anything better than 23" (1920x1080) would do, I wouldn't mind going up to 27" but it isn't a requirement. I'll be using it for gaming, but mostly older or indi games, nothing particularly competitive. I also need it to have at least 2 HDMI ports. My desktop computer I'd be hooking it into has a GTX 460, but I might also hook it up to my surface pro or a laptop I have for work. Price range is probably anything less than $300, although I'm really just looking for the best value for my money.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

ShinobiTycho posted:

I've had this lovely 23" LG monitor for years and the fact that it wobbles slightly whenever I type anything has finally driven me insane (or fed up enough to buy another monitor anyways). If anyone can give me a recommendation on a monitor with a good, solid feeling, adjustable stand my sanity will appreciate you forever. I don't want to go down in size so anything better than 23" (1920x1080) would do, I wouldn't mind going up to 27" but it isn't a requirement. I'll be using it for gaming, but mostly older or indi games, nothing particularly competitive. I also need it to have at least 2 HDMI ports. My desktop computer I'd be hooking it into has a GTX 460, but I might also hook it up to my surface pro or a laptop I have for work. Price range is probably anything less than $300, although I'm really just looking for the best value for my money.

The Dell U2414H seems to fit your needs, good stand, IPS, 23.8" screen at 1920x1080 and two HDMI plus two DP ports so it should be pretty future proof, it's $218 on Amazon right now.

Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore
Please also consider the Amazon Basics monitor arm.

They're the best and I recommend them to everyone.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
The amazon basics monitor arms are the rebranded Ergotrons, right?

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ShinobiTycho
Jun 27, 2002

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

The Dell U2414H seems to fit your needs, good stand, IPS, 23.8" screen at 1920x1080 and two HDMI plus two DP ports so it should be pretty future proof, it's $218 on Amazon right now.

Thanks! That seems like exactly what I'm looking for.

Hackan Slash posted:

Please also consider the Amazon Basics monitor arm.

They're the best and I recommend them to everyone.

Do these work on pretty much every monitor?

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