|
Azure_Horizon posted:It's basically a better-written D&D campaign that has way too many characters and spends more time describing the environment than it does differentiating characters. I think Malazan is an incredible series which is really really long and has what is ultimately an unsatisfying conclusion, but I can't agree about characters. I think the important people are fleshed out and, considering the scope of the story, having less characters would start to reek of heroic contrivance even more than it already does. I was loving heartbroken when Onos Toolan died and came back as a T'lan Imass again. Absolutely tragic. 
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 03:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 17:01 |
|
|
Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I think Malazan is an incredible series which is really really long and has what is ultimately an unsatisfying conclusion, but I can't agree about characters. I think the important people are fleshed out and, considering the scope of the story, having less characters would start to reek of heroic contrivance even more than it already does. I thought the series was pretty worthwhile for the first few books, but became pretty drat boring after Whiskeyjack died and Karsa Orlong was introduced. Then everything became bloated, convoluted, and ridiculous. And then everyone who ever died showed up again in a future book, because no one ever actually dies in the Malazan series.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 04:09
|
|
|
But Karsa was in Deadhouse Gates, you saying you thought the series jumped the shark then? 
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 04:19
|
|
|
I was heartbroken when (Malazan spoilers) the dogs died at the end, the whole scene was like a fantasy Where the Red Fern Grows, and those guys with them were some of my faves as well The scene in ADWD that was just posted where Tyrone outs the Griffs was so horribly written its laughable.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 05:09
|
|
|
bigmcgaffney posted:The scene in ADWD that was just posted where Tyrone outs the Griffs was so horribly written its laughable. All the characters are suddenly murder mystery dinner theater waiters/actors. Just one more trope GRRM has flipped upside down!
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 05:12
|
|
|
bigmcgaffney posted:I was heartbroken when (Malazan spoilers) the dogs died at the end, the whole scene was like a fantasy Where the Red Fern Grows, and those guys with them were some of my faves as well Be Quiet.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 05:13
|
|
|
bigmcgaffney posted:I was heartbroken when (Malazan spoilers) the dogs died at the end, the whole scene was like a fantasy Where the Red Fern Grows, and those guys with them were some of my faves as well Oh gently caress, I forgot all about that 
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 05:14
|
|
|
I read up to the fifth one and thought, hmm, no one's copyedited this or even took more than a brief glance at how awfully overwritten everything is. Looking at a few blogs and interviews, it seems like he writes everything that way (because he went to Iowa or some loving thing, you see), and it goes on and on, and oh who gives a dry, chafing gently caress.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 06:34
|
|
|
Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But Karsa was in Deadhouse Gates, you saying you thought the series jumped the shark then? Once he got half a loving book to himself, yes, I thought it jumped the shark. And yeah, I read all ten books but kind of glazed over a good 35% of it all. The Bridgeburners were probably the best part of the books. Saviour's on the mark about the books. They are a huge example of extreme verbosity.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 06:50
|
|
|
Most definitely. The last 3 or so books were real bad in that regard, but I still enjoyed the series overall. The latest prequel, Forge of Darkness, was real good though and that's coming from a guy who thought the Tiste Andii were pretty boring. His interviews come off as super pretentious too, when he talks about writing post modern fantasy and other poo poo.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 07:17
|
|
|
Contra Calculus posted:Looking for good GRRMmendations and wow, this kind of creeped up on the market: A lot of reviews on Goodreads and various fantasy blogs compare it to The Name of the Wind, so: gag, no thank you.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 12:19
|
|
|
Joramun posted:A lot of reviews on Goodreads and various fantasy blogs compare it to The Name of the Wind, so: gag, no thank you. You're posting in the ASOIAF thread, not exactly the place to critize works with lovely characters or gratuitous sex scenes or anything really.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 12:37
|
|
|
Even GRRM has standards. If Rothfuss was a goon, he'd be a helldump legend, far surpassing Two Worlds.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 13:15
|
|
|
I feel bad now for ever calling Davos a bore, because I'm currently rereading ADWD for the first time since release and his third POV chapter (chapter 19 of the book, covering the Freys' own account of the Red Wedding and Davos calling them on their bullshit) is just awesome. All around it's the best and most pertinent chapter in the book so far. Character rehabilitated, as far as I'm concerned.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 15:40
|
|
|
SaviourX posted:I read up to the fifth one and thought, hmm, no one's copyedited this or even took more than a brief glance at how awfully overwritten everything is. Looking at a few blogs and interviews, it seems like he writes everything that way (because he went to Iowa or some loving thing, you see), and it goes on and on, and oh who gives a dry, chafing gently caress. The funny thing about Malazan in retrospect is how belaboured I felt picking up the first Ian C Esselmont book, because "oh, pish posh, it's a sidestory, whatever" but they're actually not too shabby. Because he's doing these little stories off on their own in the same world, things happening contemporaneously with the main series, they're a lot better paced and generally have actual resolutions. They're not as overwritten, either, though they still are pretty longwinded. Iron Bars is a badass, and ICE doesn't let you forget it.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 15:43
|
|
|
rejutka posted:So, a ringing endorsement then. And it's finished. And the author doesn't creep on women. If only we could say the same of T.B Thread
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 15:55
|
|
|
I hope there is a chapter set in Mantarys in one of the next books, the hints the Gurm drops as to its sinister, otherworldly nature are quite tantalizing.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 16:22
|
|
|
Lycaeon posted:That was as much due to Tyrion's cajoling and Jon's advice (Not to mention his efforts in carving out a foothold in Westeros while Aegon just...sat around being boring) as Aegon's supposed 'leadership'. As far as I see his position and army are enabled entirely by his ancestry and a grizzled war veteran who's doing all the legwork. At least Dany's successes and failures have all arisen from her own efforts, with her decision to remain in Essos founded on the need to protect the slaves she freed and not casually abandon them in the rush for Westeros. Also it gives her time for her Dragons to grow the gently caress up so they torch some dudes. 
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 17:17
|
|
|
bigmcgaffney posted:Most definitely. The last 3 or so books were real bad in that regard, but I still enjoyed the series overall. The latest prequel, Forge of Darkness, was real good though and that's coming from a guy who thought the Tiste Andii were pretty boring. There's no amount of eyerolling that could ever suffice for "postmodern fantasy." Most pretentious thing I've ever heard a fantasy author say.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 17:36
|
|
|
Azure_Horizon posted:There's no amount of eyerolling that could ever suffice for "postmodern fantasy." Most pretentious thing I've ever heard a fantasy author say. Have you ever encountered Terry Goodkind talking about how he doesn't write fantasy, he writes Philosophy? You poor sweet summer child.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 17:49
|
|
|
El Hefe posted:You're posting in the ASOIAF thread, not exactly the place to critize works with lovely characters or gratuitous sex scenes or anything really. How dare you criticize Lommy Greenhands and call him a lovely character.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 22:00
|
|
|
All right, which one of you fuckers posted this craigslist ad?
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 22:06
|
|
|
Plus even the latest book has introduced such beloved characters as Reznak mo Reznak and Garrus Drinkwater. v I'm glad the show abandoned such a useless character, it almost (not even close) makes up for cutting Belwas. Urdnot Fire fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 24, 2013 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 22:07
|
|
|
Helloooo my name is Edric Storm I showed up, someone saved me, and then I took a group of other poo poo characters away to the other continent to never be seen again.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 22:08
|
|
|
A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Just one more trope GRRM has flipped upside down! Natch. How else is he going to toss the trope's salad? Just when you think he's peaked with fat pink mast, he gives readers the Myrish swamp. Before fans can fully process that wonder, he blindsides us with Reek's devil's tricycle. I expect the bar will be set even higher in TWOW.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2013 23:25
|
|
|
Does anyone have those charts of grrm words/phrases increasing per book? e. not the one in the op it was like leal and much and more and all that poo poo.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 01:19
|
|
|
Urdnot Fire posted:Plus even the latest book has introduced such beloved characters as Reznak mo Reznak and Garrus Drinkwater. Garrus Drinkwater, should have been the one to try and capture the dragons, not Quentyn. As a turian he's pretty much a dragon himself.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 01:48
|
|
|
Shepard, I say we go crack some Meereenese skulls, get some answers: /---------------------|----------------------------\ Let's Do This________Fuck off, Turian________Tell me more about yourself
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 04:03
|
|
|
"Lord Commander Snow, you have a message waiting for you at your private terminal." There are two; one is a raven from a deposed prince of the Summer Isles, Jalabhar Xho, asking for fifty thousand gold crowns to help take back his throne, which will then be paid back hundredfold, the other is from someone name Ramsay Snow, presumably a long lost relation. He immediately summons his top advisors. Ten minutes later... I should have gone on more loyalty missions, Jon thinks to himself as the daggers thrust deep into his husk.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 04:34
|
|
|
You have a semi-racist caricature of Orientalist jerk-off society. Do you rule over them and try to change their barbarian ways? Go to page 45 Take what you need and actually move the overall story? Go to page 23 Do you waste your time and the reader's in a increasingly gag-inducing series of poorly choreographed "sex" scenes? Go to page 1 Page 1 Read this over and over, until it turns into dust. Author goes to watch a football game and sweat puffs of nacho cheese. Next gen fantasy EDIT: Look at what I found! http://youchosewrong.tumblr.com/
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 05:32
|
|
|
Haha the bioform mask, reminds me of idiot kids who couldn't assemble a three piece monkey statue in Legends of The Hidden Temple, the greatest show of nickolodeons golden era
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 05:39
|
|
|
Oh the nostalgia, it is flowing
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 05:57
|
|
|
And then you tear out the Lone Wolf's character sheet from the back of the book and scratch out what the other kids wrote in it and then make up your own story and don't take it back to the library, because now You are a true wolf! and no one else really hangs out with you for another year or two until you see some kids with weird dice talking about rpgs and not like the video game ones and oh my god it's D&D what is this, and then you're playing Rifts for some godamn reason.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 07:21
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:You have a semi-racist caricature of Orientalist jerk-off society. Page 45 It's too hard and boring to accomplish. Waste your time and the reader's in an increasingly gag-inducing series of poorly choreographed "sex" scenes. Go to page 1
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 07:35
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:Oh the nostalgia, it is flowing "Let it flow, let yourself go / slow and low, that is the tempo" - the Beastie Boys
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 09:03
|
|
|
Page 2 Sunset finds you squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool is looser than the one before, and smells fouler. By the time the moon comes up you are making GBS threads brown water. The more you drink, the more you poo poo, but the more you poo poo, the thirstier you grow, and your thirst sends you crawling to the stream to suck up more water. Go to page 1
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 15:59
|
|
|
I'm very happy about where this thread has gone.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 17:20
|
|
|
Irrelevant to the current derail, but looking at this again made me smile:
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2013 17:40
|
|
|
Urdnot Fire posted:Plus even the latest book has introduced such beloved characters as Reznak mo Reznak and Garrus Drinkwater. On the other hand, it had the Shavepate, and everyone loves the Shavepate.
|
|
#
?
May 26, 2013 00:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 17:01 |
|
|
Pattonesque posted:On the other hand, it had the Shavepate, and everyone loves the Shavepate. I always pictured* him as Steve from the Jerry Springer show. *I never pictured this. I could not get past Dany's decision-making process modeled on an alcoholic with the DTs and also has cerebral palsy and is stupid. Seriously, did she get a secret targbotomy off the pages or something because you really have to work at being that loving stupid when it comes to basic decision making, like Cersei eating sticky princes stupid but with different creep and what the poo poo is this poo poo?
|
|
#
?
May 26, 2013 01:54
|
|