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Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
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MockingQuantum posted:

Is it common for savings accounts to cap APY once you hit a certain balance? It feels like ages since I've seen something say "4.00% APY up to a balance of $3000"
It's not common, but if a bank is advertising a particularly high APY then there are likely to be limitations.

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Something Offal
Jan 12, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

DJCobol posted:

Thats a checking account, and yes for checking accounts since they aren't usually places to horde cash.

Not always true for a checking account. For example, see Ally, a low APY up until a minimum daily balance of $15k at which point it switches to a higher APY: https://www.ally.com/bank/interest-checking-account/

(I stick with the non-internet big boys for my checking account, I don't care about the APY there and being able to deposit cash at ATMs is fun)

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Something Offal posted:

Not always true for a checking account. For example, see Ally, a low APY up until a minimum daily balance of $15k at which point it switches to a higher APY: https://www.ally.com/bank/interest-checking-account/

(I stick with the non-internet big boys for my checking account, I don't care about the APY there and being able to deposit cash at ATMs is fun)

It's typical to go from a really low APY to a higher, but still low, APY after; such as in your Ally example. What isn't typical is for a high APY to stay high or get higher after certain balances. So if you find a checking account that offers say 2% APY, it is very likely that it drops down after a certain balance.

You can find high yield checking accounts that accept cash deposits at ATMs, and they're definitely nice to have available since I find CD ladders and such too much work and most money market accounts have garbage rates.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Yeah I can definitely beat the market. It's why I work for the federal government.

Of my three coworkers I’ve explicitly talked TSP allocations with, 2 put 20% in each fund. So 20% S&P, 20% small cap, 20% international, 20% G, and 20% private bonds. I don’t know why. I’m pretty sure no rebalancing is happening either.

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

Raldikuk posted:

It's typical to go from a really low APY to a higher, but still low, APY after; such as in your Ally example. What isn't typical is for a high APY to stay high or get higher after certain balances. So if you find a checking account that offers say 2% APY, it is very likely that it drops down after a certain balance.

I wonder if the same people who don't understand tax brackets also get super stumped by these accounts. "If you keep more money with them, you get less interest paid to you. Nice try, banksters!"

spwrozek
Sep 4, 2006

Sail when it's windy

SpelledBackwards posted:

I wonder if the same people who don't understand tax brackets also get super stumped by these accounts. "If you keep more money with them, you get less interest paid to you. Nice try, banksters!"

Well...I truly loled at this. Thanks

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Velius posted:

Of my three coworkers I’ve explicitly talked TSP allocations with, 2 put 20% in each fund. So 20% S&P, 20% small cap, 20% international, 20% G, and 20% private bonds. I don’t know why. I’m pretty sure no rebalancing is happening either.

Lifecycle funds exist for a reason. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't use them unless they plan on being particularly active.

100% L2045 for me.

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Yeah I can definitely beat the market. It's why I work for the federal government.

Well congress IS the one body of investors who outperform the S&P 500 reliably

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

El Mero Mero posted:

Well congress IS the one body of investors who outperform the S&P 500 reliably

It's good to be the King.

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

Hey guys, I lurk this thread and post about once a year to get some opinions on my 401k allocations, just hoping to do that again.

40% FSKAX

40% FTIHX

20% FXNAX

I've got 130k in there now. I'm 35, make like 85k a year.

I've thought about just sticking everything in one of Fidelity target date funds, but the expense ratio is a lot lower on the index stuff, sooo maybe not?

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Looks good to me, although I personally only hold 10% bonds instead of 20% bonds, and I maintain a 3:1 ratio of USA to International instead of 1:1

Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Lifecycle funds exist for a reason. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't use them unless they plan on being particularly active.

100% L2045 for me.

TSP's lifecycle funds have double the bond portfolio that Vanguard's allocation is for the same target retirement, so I do the funds myself to mimic Vanguard and rebalance yearly.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Neon Belly posted:

TSP's lifecycle funds have double the bond portfolio that Vanguard's allocation is for the same target retirement, so I do the funds myself to mimic Vanguard and rebalance yearly.

The G/F allocation on the lifecycle funds are too conservative for me. I'm doing 90/10 and allocated enough on G to make up 10% of my overall portfolio which has TSP (separated so adjusting the allocation every 6 months ish), a 401k through work, and a Vanguard roth. Planning to bump up the allocation on I as soon as they change the index.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Go on...

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

air- posted:

The G/F allocation on the lifecycle funds are too conservative for me. I'm doing 90/10 and allocated enough on G to make up 10% of my overall portfolio which has TSP (separated so adjusting the allocation every 6 months ish), a 401k through work, and a Vanguard roth. Planning to bump up the allocation on I as soon as they change the index.

Back in November they adjusted their allocations to be less conservative:

https://www.tsp.gov/whatsnew/Content/index.html#lifecyclechanges

quote:

Changes coming to the Lifecycle (L) Funds — (November 29, 2018) We are planning adjustments to the L Funds in an effort to improve your investment outcomes. Effective in January 2019, we will increase exposure to international stocks (the I Fund) from 30% to 35% of the overall stock allocation in all L Funds. The L Income Fund stock allocation (C, S, and I Funds combined) will increase from 20% to 30% over a period of up to 10 years. The L 2030, L 2040, and L 2050 overall stock allocations will hold steady for a period of years before resuming their transitions from stocks to bonds. In addition to improving investment outcomes, this pause will align the L 2030, L 2040, and L 2050 Funds with the L 2060 Fund, which will be introduced in 2020 with an initial stock allocation of 99%. Visit Lifecycle Funds to learn more.


https://www.tsp.gov/InvestmentFunds/FundOptions/fundPerformance_L2050.html

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

I'm good with 90/10, posted a few pages ago with my math but it got buried in the rrsp discussion:

incogneato
Jun 4, 2007

Zoom! Swish! Bang!

El Mero Mero posted:

jeeze I just found out there are massive TSP facebook groups hawking "seasonal investing" (daily/weekly/monthly) re-allocation strategies and other active trading tips for their TSP accounts. ffs people :sigh:

I know someone in my agency who does exactly that, claiming that he's made bunches of money timing the market moving between funds. I only found out because he was convincing my (somewhat gullible) co-worker to do the same. I tried to talk my coworker down from the idea of timing the market, but the lure of "So-and-So has been doing it and it's never gone wrong" was stronger. I try not to discuss finances with my coworkers, so I dropped it pretty fast.

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

incogneato posted:

I try not to discuss finances with my coworkers, so I dropped it pretty fast.

I only intervene when someone is about to gently caress their life up, so I can at least say I tried

"no that car loan with 32% interest is not a good idea" is the least I can offer

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

incogneato posted:

I know someone in my agency who does exactly that, claiming that he's made bunches of money timing the market moving between funds. I only found out because he was convincing my (somewhat gullible) co-worker to do the same. I tried to talk my coworker down from the idea of timing the market, but the lure of "So-and-So has been doing it and it's never gone wrong" was stronger. I try not to discuss finances with my coworkers, so I dropped it pretty fast.

Timing the market works great until it doesn't.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

Has anyone used Betterment or Wealthfront (or any other robos)? How did transferring your existing holdings into them go tax-wise? It seems to be that they can take your ETFs and pull them into their own without any tax implications, which would be ideal.

BattleHamster
Mar 18, 2009

A Proper Uppercut posted:

Hey guys, I lurk this thread and post about once a year to get some opinions on my 401k allocations, just hoping to do that again.

40% FSKAX

40% FTIHX

20% FXNAX

I've got 130k in there now. I'm 35, make like 85k a year.

I've thought about just sticking everything in one of Fidelity target date funds, but the expense ratio is a lot lower on the index stuff, sooo maybe not?

Maybe someone else who knows more can chime in but FSPSX might be a slightly better choice compared to FTIHX (0.045% exp ratio versus 0.06%).

The only difference I see between the two that explains the higher expense ratio is that FTIHX might be better diversified (4671 holdings versus 936) but I don't know how much it really matters after a certain point.

Another possible option is FZILX which is a ZERO (meaning no expense ratio) version of their international index fund. Discussion about these funds probably happened at some point during this thread but I don't know what the consensus is. I also don't know what to make of a 0% turnover rate.

edit: I should say that overall I think you'll do great with your current plan. I have a very similar allocation with Fidelity but use FSPSX instead of FTIHX which is why I bring it up.

BattleHamster fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Apr 30, 2019

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

paternity suitor posted:

Has anyone used Betterment or Wealthfront (or any other robos)? How did transferring your existing holdings into them go tax-wise? It seems to be that they can take your ETFs and pull them into their own without any tax implications, which would be ideal.

We should get stuff added to the OP about them since this question comes up pretty regularly.

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


My wife is self employed. Is there anything she needs to do for a SEP 401k, besides open an account with Vanguard (or whatever) and put money in it (and then report on taxes)? Assume, at the moment, no matching or tricky fuckery, just trying to put 19k away out of her/our pocket pre-tax.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

As soon as my company's quarterly earnings call wrapped up my phone rings. It's a 212 number.

It's someone from Merrill Lynch, a company I have never done business with, congratulating me on a great quarter and telling me that he is a portfolio advisor for executives in public companies and would I mind if he emailed me some information about some of their services - he already had my company email address and asked if it would be okay to send it there. Sure, go for it.



I have to assume they actually have customers for this. The mind boggles.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
There's flattery to be had in getting whale watched!

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



See if they’ll take your art as collateral instead?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

There's flattery to be had in getting whale watched!

I hadn't thought of it that way. I just responded to the email thanking him for introducing me to the most hilarious loan product I've seen in a long time. Why yes, I would like to set myself up for a margin call on things I already own. That sounds great!

They are also offering what is essentially a personal loan somehow securitized against your portfolio through BofA.

quote:

The LMA account is a flexible line of credit offered by Bank of America, N.A. (the Bank). It is an account that allows you to use your eligible investments as collateral for multiple loan advances, giving you access to funds for personal and business financing needs.




crazypeltast52 posted:

See if they’ll take your art as collateral instead?

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Motronic posted:

As soon as my company's quarterly earnings call wrapped up my phone rings. It's a 212 number.

It's someone from Merrill Lynch, a company I have never done business with, congratulating me on a great quarter and telling me that he is a portfolio advisor for executives in public companies and would I mind if he emailed me some information about some of their services - he already had my company email address and asked if it would be okay to send it there. Sure, go for it.



I have to assume they actually have customers for this. The mind boggles.

Gotta give those poor executives a way to cash out without selling their stock and making it look like they don't have faith in the company! It's pretty amazing the leverage opportunities available to people with truly astonishing amounts of capital one restricted stock sale away.

I'm going to share this at work, we use BAML for our stuff and it's atrocious.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

H110Hawk posted:

Gotta give those poor executives a way to cash out without selling their stock and making it look like they don't have faith in the company! It's pretty amazing the leverage opportunities available to people with truly astonishing amounts of capital one restricted stock sale away.

I'm going to share this at work, we use BAML for our stuff and it's atrocious.

The worst part about this is that they are using the right words and phrases for people with a passing interest in doing a good thing for their financials and slamming them into a bad loan product. I mean, I get it. But hoooooo so predatory. I guess it's just fun to have seen the progression of financial predators and techniques from poor->okay->middle class->upper middle class->you paid more in taxes than 95% of people make.

This is temporary and I know that, but it sure is a hell of a boost in early retirement.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Only having 7 legs is a nice touch.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Hoodwinker posted:

Only having 7 legs is a nice touch.

I wish I could take credit for that masterpiece.

http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Motronic posted:

I wish I could take credit for that masterpiece.

http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html

That gave me some giggles.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
hoo boy I just read up on exchange funds, what a trip

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

Motronic posted:

As soon as my company's quarterly earnings call wrapped up my phone rings. It's a 212 number.

It's someone from Merrill Lynch, a company I have never done business with, congratulating me on a great quarter and telling me that he is a portfolio advisor for executives in public companies and would I mind if he emailed me some information about some of their services - he already had my company email address and asked if it would be okay to send it there. Sure, go for it.



I have to assume they actually have customers for this. The mind boggles.

You laugh about this but this is exactly what Elon Musk is using to finance his whole lifestyle.

Boring Co., his Malibu mansion, his jet, it's all financed by this.

An additional element of hilarity is that analysts estimate he starts to have to "put up or shut up" more of his shares of Tesla if the stock price drops below (drum roll please) 240 lololol

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

You laugh about this but this is exactly what Elon Musk is using to finance his whole lifestyle.

I'm laughing harder now.

Begath
Apr 27, 2012

Fish are stupid cause they can't climb trees.

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

You laugh about this but this is exactly what Elon Musk is using to finance his whole lifestyle.

Boring Co., his Malibu mansion, his jet, it's all financed by this.


You beat me to it; I was about to point this out. If you ever wonder why Elon Musk gets real upset with shorts selling Tesla stock, this really explains it all. He'll be turbofucked if the stock falls too far because the only money he has to live on is what he borrows against his stock.

Someone on seeking alpha did a try-hard analysis on the situation:

https://seekingalpha-com.cdn.amppro...hare-price-soon

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Begath posted:

You beat me to it; I was about to point this out. If you ever wonder why Elon Musk gets real upset with shorts selling Tesla stock, this really explains it all. He'll be turbofucked if the stock falls too far because the only money he has to live on is what he borrows against his stock.

Someone on seeking alpha did a try-hard analysis on the situation:

https://seekingalpha-com.cdn.amppro...hare-price-soon

Well, I'm convinced.

Now someone tell me how to short TSLA so I can put 100k on it.

edit: not the BWM thread, oops.

hostile apostle
Aug 29, 2006
:stadia::stadia::stadia::stadia::stadia:
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There is also a massive tax benefit involved with borrowing against your stock, since you avoid cap gains tax.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
While we’re on the subject, if I find myself concentrated in a single stock and want to diversify by the old-fashioned method of selling it, are there any tricks to avoid or simplify estimated tax payments while doing so?

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hostile apostle
Aug 29, 2006
:stadia::stadia::stadia::stadia::stadia:
Stadia didn't outlive SA but it did outlive Lowtax - Happy Birthday Stadia! #ad
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Gazpacho posted:

While we’re on the subject, if I find myself concentrated in a single stock and want to diversify by the old-fashioned method of selling it, are there any tricks to avoid or simplify estimated tax payments while doing so?

You can donate stock and avoid any cap gains.

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