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paranoid randroid posted:like yeah theres something to be said for not treating no-hope rustbelt folks with reflexive contempt, but if youre putting juggalos up on a pedestal as anything other than a bunch of guys who want to smoke weed while listening to crappy music, youre goin a bit far in the opposite direction 
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paranoid randroid posted:like yeah theres something to be said for not treating no-hope rustbelt folks with reflexive contempt, but if youre putting juggalos up on a pedestal as anything other than a bunch of guys who want to smoke weed while listening to crappy music, youre goin a bit far in the opposite direction Can we put them up on a pedestal of just being a bunch of guys who want to smoke weed while listening to crappy music? Because that seems fine, imo. Concerned Citizen posted:there's probably gonna be a pile of thinkpieces about these faithless electors but i think the main lesson here is that the elector selection process should be improved to prevent morons from getting selected Hillary Clinton can't even convince her chosen electors to vote for her. I don't think the problem is the morons. Also, hell, let them do what they want, it's not like it actually matters.
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Concerned Citizen posted:basically the nominee should hand-select the electors in every state, they should never be selected by conventions or any other process in which they may be picked for a reason other than voting for the nominee if they win that state or we can just use this mess as a springboard to finally come together and agree the EC is fuckin dumb
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paranoid randroid posted:like yeah theres something to be said for not treating no-hope rustbelt folks with reflexive contempt, but if youre putting juggalos up on a pedestal as anything other than a bunch of guys who want to smoke weed while listening to crappy music, youre goin a bit far in the opposite direction In areas where they're popular though, they're not just guys who want to smoke weed and listen to crappy music, they become a fictive kinship network of impoverished whites (there are non white juggalos too but they tend to be rare) who help each other out whenever one of their own is struggling, whether that means all pitching in to buy groceries or diapers, pay for medical bills, help with funeral costs, watch each other's kids etc.
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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:It doesn't matter who we run in 2020 - another neolib diet republican or a firebreathing populist hero; Trump's still going to win because the right wing propaganda machine just proved they can turn ANYTHING into a scandal that resonates more clearly with the public than the candidates actual platform. The media isn't going to suddenly start doing their jobs, because they are in the business of ratings and ad revenue, not informing the electorate. Elections are not a contest of ideas anymore...it's a marketing campaign and nothing more. The average american doesn't give a poo poo about policy; they just want to watch nascar and gently caress a hole they cut into a bag of doritos and vote for the loudest candidate. But hey. at least you highroaders who are more concerned with winning the "right" way will be able to hold your heads high at the guillotines.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:or we can just use this mess as a springboard to finally come together and agree the EC is fuckin dumb Counterpoint: This is actually great and amazing and I am thoroughly enjoying getting what little satisfaction I can wring out of a Trump win, don't take this away.
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I just did a google image search for that Juggalo funeral picture and woowie did it just load up a bunch of pictures of dead people in clown makeup and separately lots of misshapen boobs. I think I'm on a few new lists today.
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GlyphGryph posted:Counterpoint: This is actually great and amazing and I am thoroughly enjoying getting what little satisfaction I can wring out of a Trump win, don't take this away. a fair rebuttal
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Concerned Citizen posted:perez is plenty qualified to be chair and i don't think labor needs him in the courtroom. there are other great lawyers. i think, however, that he may be too vested in the way the dnc does things to be truly committed to carrying out the reforms needed to improve the party. if he's selected - fine, i think he will do some good stuff. but he isn't my first pick. oh because daddy obama said so?
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GlyphGryph posted:They are actually pretty good at political skullduggery just so you know, and it's a big part of how they got into this mess because it turns out they mostly used it to keep lovely people in power in safe seats and now a good chunk of the party is poo poo on the whole. Of course it's poor! I'm angry and panicking and furiously assigning blame wherever I can find an even tenuously plausible scapegoat. It's either pure nihilism for me, or going full on robes-pierre. I'm teetering on the brink.
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look man I'm pretty scared about the next 4 years too but we can't beat Red Nude And Angry with Blue Nude And Terrified
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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:Of course it's poor! I'm angry and panicking and furiously assigning blame wherever I can find an even tenuously plausible scapegoat. It's either pure nihilism for me, or going full on robes-pierre. I'm teetering on the brink. or celexa or buspar
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We DO have to be nude though, the only way to fix this is by naked wrestling our way across the rust belt
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Ace of Baes posted:In areas where they're popular though, they're not just guys who want to smoke weed and listen to crappy music, they become a fictive kinship network of impoverished whites (there are non white juggalos too but they tend to be rare) who help each other out whenever one of their own is struggling, whether that means all pitching in to buy groceries or diapers, pay for medical bills, help with funeral costs, watch each other's kids etc. thats fine its still funny that the crux of the community is an identity based around a band that shares a record label with Vanilla Ice tho
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:A lot of unions feel burned that they went against the wishes of their memberships to endorse Hillary. Just a note: While the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union are part of the AFL-CIO and have broken ranks. The United Farm Workers are part of Change to Win with the Teamsters and Service Employees International Union and are not affiliated with the AFL-CIO.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:We DO have to be nude though, the only way to fix this is by naked wrestling our way across the rust belt Be the Rainbowbeard you want to see in the world. 
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Darkman Fanpage posted:oh because daddy obama said so? obama may turn out to have been the worst president in our lifetimes, including reagan, not for his actions but for his impact
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in meeting rooms all over the country democrats are coming together and deciding the problem with hillary is that she was too radically left-wing, and deciding they need to get back to the centrism of Obama if we're ever going to get back on top... you see when they go low.... we go high
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Oh Snapple! posted:I disagree very much on the "qualified to be chair" part. You can't head an organization whose goal is to get people elected if you have no actual experience on that front. i'm not sure i am going to give ellison a lot of credit for managing to win a general election in minneapolis as a democrat, in one of the most democratic seats in the nation. nor do i necessarily think electoral experience is needed to run the dnc, which is only partially tasked with the actual nuts and bolts of campaigning. the dnc itself, right now, is kind of a rudderless boat - it has very little actual purpose other than to raise money and farm it out to campaign committees like dccc, as well as various logistical items like setting party rules or managing the voter file. it could be doing more, and i think perez wants it to. however, i'm not entirely sure he's willing to do what it will take to make the party truly competitive. GlyphGryph posted:Hillary Clinton can't even convince her chosen electors to vote for her. I don't think the problem is the morons. hillary didn't choose these electors. they were elected by sanders supporters, which is a dumb way to choose electors. it doesn't really matter this time but it ought to be fixed because one day it might very well gently caress us over.
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Also yea getting back on actual track, it's hard to really blame a few unions trying to break ranks when before this it was just a straight up coronation. If one issue we're going to raise is gonna be the DNC primary was just one big victory ceremony for Clinton we can't get upset at people not liking a choice of 'our guy or abstain'. I don't think it'll have much impact but it's a losing battle to try to shame them for bucking what they see as yet another round of kingmaking handed down to them to 'endorse'.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Also yea getting back on actual track, it's hard to really blame a few unions trying to break ranks when before this it was just a straight up coronation. If one issue we're going to raise is gonna be the DNC primary was just one big victory ceremony for Clinton we can't get upset at people not liking a choice of 'our guy or abstain'. I don't think it'll have much impact but it's a losing battle to try to shame them for bucking what they see as yet another round of kingmaking handed down to them to 'endorse'. I can more or less agree with this, but boy did that shot at Ellison as a "divider" from the UFW person leave a really bad taste.
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man if youre gonna go faithless then, yeah, throw your vote to an out-there guy like Faith Spotted Eagle. dont act like youre making some kind of calculated diplomatic play by going with Colin Powell. jesus, i bet these guys also donated to rebuild the NCGOP building.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Also yea getting back on actual track, it's hard to really blame a few unions trying to break ranks when before this it was just a straight up coronation. If one issue we're going to raise is gonna be the DNC primary was just one big victory ceremony for Clinton we can't get upset at people not liking a choice of 'our guy or abstain'. I don't think it'll have much impact but it's a losing battle to try to shame them for bucking what they see as yet another round of kingmaking handed down to them to 'endorse'. I like this post
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so who's going to win the leadership race? is the israel lobby going to successfully torpedo keith?
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icantfindaname posted:so who's going to win the leadership race? is the israel lobby going to successfully torpedo keith? Keith still has a tons more support and any chance of 'the Israel lobby' hurting him was taken away when Schumer near instantly came to support him.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:So have all the faithless cast their votes for Bernie? 3 Colin Powell 1 Faith Spotted Eagle 
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Concerned Citizen posted:automation is inevitable. the only two solutions are 1. banning/punishing automation so that we employ people to do jobs that aren't really necessary just so they are employed or 2. taxing automating companies heavily and redistributing the money to displaced workers. one of these is absurd but relatively easy to do, the other makes sense but implies upending the entire international trade and capital regime that the us has promoted for decades. a bit tricky, but i think 2 will happen eventually. there's not really a true alternative. Lol there is absolutely a true alternative to #2. Lots of people unemployed or in poverty, and they can't do anything because the panopticon police state crushes any dissent. That is so much more realistic that GMI.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Also yea getting back on actual track, it's hard to really blame a few unions trying to break ranks when before this it was just a straight up coronation. If one issue we're going to raise is gonna be the DNC primary was just one big victory ceremony for Clinton we can't get upset at people not liking a choice of 'our guy or abstain'. I don't think it'll have much impact but it's a losing battle to try to shame them for bucking what they see as yet another round of kingmaking handed down to them to 'endorse'. I was at the AFL Executive Council meeting and it was almost comical There was a ton of talk and debate over how Hillary's coronation came back to bite everyone in the rear end, we should have known all along, we should have listened to the members, etc "Okay, we're gonna do a poll to get everyones input over who we should endorse for DNC chair: A) Keith Ellison B) No endorsement C) Abstain"
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