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The moderators were just bad but that's who they had to go with because they'd have taken too much poo poo if they used Stephanopolous, seeing as he sorta got his start working for the Clintons.
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Is there a reason they dont use like professional college debate moderators or something (i assume thats a thing) instead of news anchors or journalists?
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^^^ARE there 'professional moderators'? Not being snarky I have no idea if that's a big enough 'business' to be useful to pool from if it exists at all. Pretty much yea, he probably coulda done better but there's no way that wouldn't look shady as poo poo to have someone who basically owes his career to the Clintons now 'grilling' Hillary. Pretty much either use the a-team and open yourself to people saying 'oh wow someone tied to clinton moderating, real fair' or use the b-team and, well, get a b-team performance.
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Dec 20, 2015 06:58
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Amused to Death posted:You can't be of sound mind of you don't think Hillary owned that debate. "everyone who liked the other guy more must be crazy" Yes, that's a very convincing reason why Hillary won.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:01
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Not ONE question about climate change after the Paris climate agreement? Seriously?
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Amused to Death posted:You can't be of sound mind of you don't think Hillary owned that controlling share of Walmart in the 80s and used her position to crush unions.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:04
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Grouchio posted:Wait so...he isn't doomed? Bernie is angry very very angry and he will make the streets run red with the blood of CEOs
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Dec 20, 2015 07:07
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theblackw0lf posted:Not ONE question about climate change after the Paris climate agreement? Seriously?
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Dec 20, 2015 07:17
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Jack Gladney posted:a controlling share of Walmart for most of the 1980s. No, Hillary Clinton did not own more than 50% of Wal-Mart for most of the 1980s.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:33
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lol if you think not tripping over herself horribly means Hillary owned the debate.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:53
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Hillary Clinton owning the debate in her traditional style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd5lz0kw5iQ
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Dec 20, 2015 08:58
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I read last page that the moderators didn't interrupt Clinton. What planet are you guys on? They totally did, she just kept talking anyway. Nothing they can do except cut her mic.
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Dec 20, 2015 09:39
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TNO posted:lol if you think not tripping over herself horribly means Hillary owned the debate. I mean it's better than the other dudes did.
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Dec 20, 2015 11:38
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theblackw0lf posted:Not ONE question about climate change after the Paris climate agreement? Seriously? No questions about campaign finance reform either.
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Dec 20, 2015 13:35
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Tatum Girlparts posted:^^^ARE there 'professional moderators'? Not being snarky I have no idea if that's a big enough 'business' to be useful to pool from if it exists at all. Professional moderators do exist, but usually as professional moderators for focus groups, not debates, since they have to actually make money. It's almost exclusively journos tossed into the role, chaos inevitably ensues since it's almost always their first and last time moderating a debate. John Donvan (who works for ABC News actually) is practically a professional moderator, though, he's been moderating the quasi-monthly Intelligence Squared debates for years and if you listen to those debates you'll hear the benefits of having someone moderating who really knows what they're doing.
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Dec 20, 2015 14:19
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All Hillary has to do is not fall on her face to own the debates guys, but if you don't think she's not really good at this you're deluding yourself. Bernie Sanders has improved noticeably from his first debate in a lot of respects but she is way more polished and able to communicate her ideas more effectively than Bernie Sanders is, even if I don't agree with her ideas as much as I agree with Bernie's.
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Dec 20, 2015 16:30
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rscott posted:All Hillary has to do is not fall on her face to own the debates guys, but if you don't think she's not really good at this you're deluding yourself. Bernie Sanders has improved noticeably from his first debate in a lot of respects but she is way more polished and able to communicate her ideas more effectively than Bernie Sanders is, even if I don't agree with her ideas as much as I agree with Bernie's. Most of it is due to how Bernie didn't do things such as traditional debate prep. You can tell he's new to the whole presidential race challenge
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Dec 20, 2015 16:31
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I don't think anyone's (besides hardcore polisci nerds like us) really going to give a poo poo about this debate because there isn't as much inflammatory rhetoric as in the Republican debates (ie no chaos candidate soundbytes, etc).
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Dec 20, 2015 16:42
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Rah! posted:"everyone who liked the other guy more must be crazy" I like the other guy so much I've donated to his campaign 3 times since June but I'm still sane enough to realize Hillary owned(particularly against O'Malley, just like scorched earth against him when he kept trying to attack her)
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Dec 20, 2015 16:43
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I don't think anyone's (besides hardcore polisci nerds like us) really going to give a poo poo about this debate because there isn't as much inflammatory rhetoric as in the Republican debates (ie no chaos candidate soundbytes, etc).
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Dec 20, 2015 16:59
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Dec 20, 2015 17:23
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The ratings had to be terrible since the usual oldster debate audience was probably watching NCIS instead. I wish I'd been watching it too because between "everybody should love me" and "may the force be with you" I thought my face was gonna be stuck in a permanent cringe
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Dec 20, 2015 17:44
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Lord of Pie posted:The ratings had to be terrible since the usual oldster debate audience was probably watching NCIS instead. I wish I'd been watching it too because between "everybody should love me" and "may the force be with you" I thought my face was gonna be stuck in a permanent cringe I don't know about the latter, but the former was actually a pretty perfect answer IMO
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Dec 20, 2015 17:44
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Lord of Pie posted:The ratings had to be terrible since the usual oldster debate audience was probably watching NCIS instead. I wish I'd been watching it too because between "everybody should love me" and "may the force be with you" I thought my face was gonna be stuck in a permanent cringe More people would watch the debates if the race was competitive at all. The 2007 Democratic debate which took place on a Saturday night right before Christmas was the most watched of 2007. Both lines were objectively good debate lines. If you didn't think they were good for the debate then you probably already didn't like her.
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Dec 20, 2015 17:48
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I liked Hillary's sheepish "sorry" after taking too long in the bathroom again.
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Dec 20, 2015 17:55
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Mike the TV posted:I liked Hillary's sheepish "sorry" after taking too long in the bathroom again. Surprised she wasn't all "it takes longer for women AND I AM GOING TO BE THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT - EVERY LADY HERE WHO PISSES SITTING DOWN LET ME HEAR YA!"
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Dec 20, 2015 18:05
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Ace of Baes posted:Trump is going to get the P or VP slot for the Republican Party because of his ability to "fire up the base" voters will turn out in droves against him because hes the equivalent to 08s Sarah Palin, Hillary will pick MOM or some no name as VP and win by a single digit margin, politics will continue as usual with a republican controlled congress and nothing meaningful getting done. I don't think Trump would either accept, nor be selected for a VP spot. That said, my dream scenario is a trump/sanders/hillary/whoever Presidential race. 
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Dec 20, 2015 18:06
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Bernie cucked himself pretty hard when he quickly apologized to  when asked to.
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Mike the TV posted:I liked Hillary's sheepish "sorry" after taking too long in the bathroom again. There was probably a line to the women's restroom.
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Dec 20, 2015 18:55
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Nah, because then Hillary had to either accept the apology or look like a huge bitch on national TV. Plus if she decides to push the issue after accepting the apology it makes her look insincere. The apology was the right move and Hillary wasn't prepared for it.
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Lord of Pie posted:Nah, because then Hillary had to either accept the apology or look like a huge bitch on national TV. Plus if she decides to push the issue after accepting the apology it makes her look insincere. The apology was the right move and Hillary wasn't prepared for it. Why wouldn't Hillary want to end this stupid datagate nonsense as quickly as possible as well? She was doing perfectly fine before this whole debacle. Her campaign additionally indicated before the debate that data access should be restored as soon as possible.
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Dec 20, 2015 19:04
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Lord of Pie posted:Nah, because then Hillary had to either accept the apology or look like a huge bitch on national TV. Plus if she decides to push the issue after accepting the apology it makes her look insincere. The apology was the right move and Hillary wasn't prepared for it. Both Sanders and Clinton seemed to stumble a bit in their answers to those questions, but I'm pretty sure they were "I have no loving clue what I'm talking about I guess datas are important for campaigns and they're in the computers?" stumbles, not "oh wow this foreseeable question was responded to with a full apology I've been caught totally off guard".
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Immortan posted:Bernie cucked himself pretty hard when he quickly apologized to Doing the right thing and having class is viewed as getting cucked in 2015
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Lord of Pie posted:Nah, because then Hillary had to either accept the apology or look like a huge bitch on national TV. Plus if she decides to push the issue after accepting the apology it makes her look insincere. The apology was the right move and Hillary wasn't prepared for it. That's an awfully biased view of what happened and you are kidding yourself if you think she wasn't prepared for it and was looking to appear magnanimous.
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Gotta say I enjoyed the classy and mature tone of mutual respect and dignity of this debate. Seeing the candidates take this seriously and not being so pompous and presumptuous 
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Neither Bernie nor Hillary have any idea what the breach was. They only care inasmuch as it is a distraction for their campaigns. Though I'm sure hillary tore up a room when she was informed it could potentially cost her polling points.
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Ace of Baes posted:Is there a reason they dont use like professional college debate moderators or something (i assume thats a thing) instead of news anchors or journalists? Because this is corporate america. Debates exist only to make money, and to promote a brand. Thats why they mention what shows the moderators all host. We are supposed to be impressed by them and interested in watching their shows! Who the gently caress cares if they are any good at running a debate?
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Commie NedFlanders posted:Doing the right thing and having class is viewed as getting cucked in 2015 Bernie will inevitably lose because he willingly cowers from Hillary, shithead.
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Immortan posted:Bernie will inevitably lose because he willingly cowers from Hillary, shithead. Manning up to take responsibility and accepting humility isn't cowardice unless your coordintaes for reality come from reality television and axe commercials
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Commie NedFlanders posted:Manning up to take responsibility and accepting humility isn't cowardice unless your coordintaes for reality come from reality television and axe commercials Embrace the inevitable Bernout, child.
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